Biden approval ratings thread, 1.0

[It’s so Joever]

Right, because Biden just randomly decided to allow booster shots. Seriously get a grip.

There is just barely a plausible case for distributing booster shots to some of the most vulnerable people who are going on a year out from their first vaccination. On the whole, the updated guidance and the suggestion that everyone will soon be eligible feels random, indiscriminate, and disconnected from scientific evidence. It seems more like a political move meant to reassure the most skittish Americans that they can, in fact, do something (and this is something, so therefore they must do it).

I mean, we aren’t the only country in the World to allow booster shots and studies on boosters and on vaccine efficacy waning over time do make a case for boosters. Had you argued that we should be sending these vaccines instead to third world countries, that would be a good point, but you didn’t. Your logic falls flat as usual regarding you and Covid.

[It’s so Joever]

Lol the amount of bloomers in the thread. Communists like the TarHellGoant will get the last laugh as their commie politicians are voted in and destroy America.

[It’s so Joever]

Without HR1, all is lost. There was no point in voting in Biden if he wasn’t willing to take the step necessary to preserve liberal democracy. Maybe it was futile, maybe this era of prosperity was bound to end no matter what…it was unrealistic to expect the world to stay stagnant forever. Still, at least Biden could have preserved what remains, but instead he naively is watching it collapse just like Obama.

[It’s so Joever]

“Throw out the poll bcuz it doesn’t say what I want it to say”

[It’s so Joever]

Pew

Approve 44 (-11)
Disapprove 53 (+10)

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/09/23/biden-loses-ground-with-the-public-on-issues-personal-traits-and-job-approval/

I’m a Dem base voter who strongly disapproved of Biden.
I still will vote blue as much as possible.

Definitely some slippage with Dem base voters as well. It's tricky seeing who could defect to the GOP and who won't.

[It’s so Joever]

I don't believe the polls

Okay now we know things will improve for Dems soon. Thanks OC!

[It’s so Joever]

President Biden isn't campaigning. Once he does, he stands to pick up at least 5% support from where he is at the time. This is not a great time for the GOP. The most serious federal trials have yet to begin, and I expect some people to get very long prison terms. Little good happens for a defendant in a federal criminal trial that goes before a jury.

Heck, even the Michigan plot (which is closer to federal trials for federal offenses, including a plot of interstate kidnapping) has one conviction, that involving a plea bargain.  If I were a Michigan journalist I would do anything to cover those cases.

There is no indication that the Biden administration is in any way soft on crime. Obama certainly wasn't!

Stop.

[It’s so Joever]

“I’m sure this will be the low point”

[It’s so Joever]

Never throw out a poll.

[It’s so Joever]

I’m truly not trying to be rude to some of you, but it strains credulity to believe that a president with a -10 approval is going to see his party win the midterms by 8 points, one of the largest midterm victories in American history.

It’s insanity to believe it, and ZERO 2021 results suggest it. Zero.

You guys are all among the smartest election geeks online, and you truly believe that yougov gcb poll? Jeez

You truly believe that ONE single poll is definitive?  I think it's probably an outlier in both directions -- Biden probably isn't down by that much, and the Democrats aren't up by that much in GCB.   The 538 average (which isn't perfect, but is very much sounder than RCP) currently has Biden at -5 and the GCB at D+3.  Those are both more reasonable, and a much more plausible combination.

A -5 approval and D+3 GCB are still extremely incongruent. The only recent times where the GCB was close in midterm elections, 1998 and 2002, presidential approval was in the mid-60s. A +30 approval can limit your losses, but if Biden is going into November 2022 with a -5 approval, the GOP is going to win the CGB. Obama was only around -3 in 2010, and only -10 in 2014, causing 7 and 6 point wins for the GOP. A president doesn't need to be that unpopular for his party to suffer big losses in Congress.

Biden would have to be at least +10 for the Dems to not lose the House. Much of the talk about Dems gaining in 2022 revolved around the possibility that Biden would be extremely popular after a successful end to the pandemic. The possibility of Biden being that popular come 2022 is very very low.

Eh…the 2021 special elections point to a slight shift towards Republicans. Granted that lags approval a bit, but still, a D+1 electorate is probably what we have right now (but Dems still lose House AND Senate with that)

[It’s so Joever]

I’m starting to think maybe Biden is the Macron of America.
Think about it, both were underdogs at first who arguably got very lucky (Biden in the primaries, Macron from the start up to the first round) and then managed to win against a far right populist with a coalition of suburbanites and disgruntled leftists.
The main difference is that Macron actually won in a relative landslide, but I attribute that to France being still less polarized than the US.
Now, both are very unpopular. If you think Biden isn’t unpopular, you are a hack. (And if you think Macron isn’t unpopular, you have time travelled back to 2017) However, both do appear to be leading in polls (well for Dems it’s the GCB) The accuracy of these polls obviously can be questioned.

The Trump Le Pen comparison might work as well. Le Pen has been the likely opponent against Macron for a while (although that could be changing) and Trump is essentially the likely opponent if he chooses to run again (let’s be honest, he will)
Idk random thoughts but it’s clear Biden isn’t the next FDR, although I still am unsure about the Carter comparison given the differences.

[It’s so Joever]

I’m starting to think maybe Biden is the Macron of America.
Think about it, both were underdogs at first who arguably got very lucky (Biden in the primaries, Macron from the start up to the first round) and then managed to win against a far right populist with a coalition of suburbanites and disgruntled leftists.
The main difference is that Macron actually won in a relative landslide, but I attribute that to France being still less polarized than the US.
Now, both are very unpopular. If you think Biden isn’t unpopular, you are a hack. (And if you think Macron isn’t unpopular, you have time travelled back to 2017) However, both do appear to be leading in polls (well for Dems it’s the GCB) The accuracy of these polls obviously can be questioned.

The Trump Le Pen comparison might work as well. Le Pen has been the likely opponent against Macron for a while (although that could be changing) and Trump is essentially the likely opponent if he chooses to run again (let’s be honest, he will)
Idk random thoughts but it’s clear Biden isn’t the next FDR, although I still am unsure about the Carter comparison given the differences.

I’d say he is more like the next LBJ. Good ideas however a foreign policy event beyond their control brings their approvals down

LBJ got stuff done.

[It’s so Joever]

I’m usually against trying to spin bad polls, but “Fair” is not a good synonym for disapprove and I bet a fair number of people would agree with me.

[It’s so Joever]

We can now firmly put to bed any narrative that he is bouncing back

Yeah, it seems Biden is unable to save America. It was inevitable since Reagan, though.

[It’s so Joever]

Honestly I trust OC more than anyone on here at this point.

[It’s so Joever]

If it’s PBrower or Wbrocks posting it’s a relatively good poll. If it’s Sergi it’s a bad one. I don’t even need to see the numbers.

[It’s so Joever]

Polls don't matter, but the trendline of polls do. Dems should probably be preparing to flee to Canada if they aren't willing to sacrifice all their political beliefs, because the way this is heading, the GOP dictatorship and mass incarceration is around the corner. Do not delete this for hyperbole, because reality is not hyperbole, even if it seems extreme.

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1459920694532358144?s=20

I really don't get these numbers. You approve policies of this administration, you approve Biden's agenda but why in the hell you disapprove his presidency?

Because Americans are f**king stupid.

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/PollProjectUSA/status/1460347507481796611?s=20

So based on this poll Biden is actually doing better compared to when he lost to trump 68% to 29% in 2020

No...

[It’s so Joever]

America deserves what it is about to elect in 2022 and 2024. I just hope people like THG and OSR remember what they did. The sins crawling up their backs as they slowly watch everything they thought they valued crumble to dust. As they watch their leaders turn on eachother until the Republican triumvirate becomes one man. As they watch even those they respect forced into silence, under the guise of preventing them hinge such as CRT and socialism. As they watch years later, the inevitable carnage that comes with any collapsing dictatorship. Neighbor upon neighbor, childhood friend against childhood friend. Yes I will suffer as well, but at least I get to watch the ones who created it cry at their lost ones, knowing full well they caused each and every loss they had.
Schafenfreude truly is the most bittersweet emotion.

[It’s so Joever]

America deserves what it is about to elect in 2022 and 2024. I just hope people like THG and OSR remember what they did. The sins crawling up their backs as they slowly watch everything they thought they valued crumble to dust. As they watch their leaders turn on eachother until the Republican triumvirate becomes one man. As they watch even those they respect forced into silence, under the guise of preventing them hinge such as CRT and socialism. As they watch years later, the inevitable carnage that comes with any collapsing dictatorship. Neighbor upon neighbor, childhood friend against childhood friend. Yes I will suffer as well, but at least I get to watch the ones who created it cry at their lost ones, knowing full well they caused each and every loss they had.
Schafenfreude truly is the most bittersweet emotion.

Part of the problem is that most Americans simply do not know how their own political system works and most of them vote purely based on their emotions. Far too many don't even have knowledge or facts about their issue or the candidate they are about to vote for

for example a coworker of mine who voted for Republicans in 2010 because he said Obama was not doing enough and he called the Dems The do nothing congress

He had no idea that he had just voted for The tea party congress who would go down in history for being the least productive Congress since modern records began in 1947. He would spend next few years wondering why the congress he voted for was doing even less than the Dems that he had complained about in the first place...

Well if it makes you feel better, the American people will get to face the consequences of their failures like never before if things go the way I think they will.

[It’s so Joever]

I once again am calling for the voting rights of West Virginia to be removed and only restorable with a vote that is subject to the filibuster.

[It’s so Joever]

More evidence of the Biden Comeback! THANK YOU NEW HAMPSHIRE!
https://twitter.com/steinhausernh1/status/1473340541324730372?s=21

Angry NH women.

[It’s so Joever]

More evidence of the Biden Comeback! THANK YOU NEW HAMPSHIRE!
https://twitter.com/steinhausernh1/status/1473340541324730372?s=21

Angry NH women.

I mean, yes...

Among NH women: +41 (70% Approve, 29% Disapprove)
Among NH men: -42 (29% Approve, 71% Disapprove)

https://scholars.unh.edu/survey_center_polls/682/

Angry NH women about to secede and create a liberal utopia.

[It’s so Joever]

Zogby is trash.