Biden approval ratings thread, 1.0

[pbrower2a]

Is it too early?

Favorability

Approval

[Hindsight was 2020]

God this thread puts a smile on my face

[Benjamin Frank]

Do we need to subtract around 4% from his approval rating?

[GP270watch]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

100% of the NPC vote.

[HisGrace]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Prob. about fifteen minutes until he says something "problematic" and then the tantrums will begin. Fortunately Biden doesn't care about woke twitter which is part of why he won.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Progressives don't owe Biden jack sh**t.

[tmthforu94]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

I'm already seeing it on social media. "Glad that Biden won, but don't forget that he..." blah blah blah.

[It’s so Joever]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Progressives don't owe Biden jack sh**t.

True, but you really aren’t a true progressive.

[Alben Barkley]

100% of the NPC vote.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Just for the record, Biden will have great approvals among the states that elected him, the redistricting battle are in states that didn't vote for him or are in ruby red states. FL, GA, TX probably gonna be against Biden and the 291 freiwall states will still support Biden, even at 10% unemployment, the 278 freiwall reelected Obama, those are the states where D Govs are gonna eliminate R states when they are expected to lose EC votes in Redistricting MI, PA, IL, CA and NY

[Pyro]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Prob. about fifteen minutes until he says something "problematic" and then the tantrums will begin. Fortunately Biden doesn't care about woke twitter which is part of why he won.

Progressive organizations and activists across the country worked their damnedest to elect Biden and other Democrats. He owes this victory in part to them, and they are right to expect Biden to fight on their behalf. Enough with the insults and the belittlement, already.

[Orwell]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Prob. about fifteen minutes until he says something "problematic" and then the tantrums will begin. Fortunately Biden doesn't care about woke twitter which is part of why he won.

Progressive organizations and activists across the country worked their damnedest to elect Biden and other Democrats. He owes this victory in part to them, and they are right to expect Biden to fight on their behalf. Enough with the insults and the belittlement, already.

I will say this, as a Neoliberal. Our problem this election was in no part due to the lack of effort from Progressives. Nina Turner be damned, but all in all the progressive wing held up their bargain and Biden campaigned on MANY of their policies.

[pbrower2a]

https://twitter.com/apalmerdc/status/1329035321846194176

What was the highest Trump got? Didn't he start out the gate in January 2019 around inauguration with like 49% approval or something?

Interested to see how high the 'intro bump' is for Biden/Harris.

The first polls typically begin with measures of favorability (optimism about the winning pol).

It was an inauspicious start for Trump. Most who voted against him had very low expectations. Regrettably, Trump failed to meet that.  

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

What kind of grace period will progressives give the man who saved us from Trump?

Prob. about fifteen minutes until he says something "problematic" and then the tantrums will begin. Fortunately Biden doesn't care about woke twitter which is part of why he won.

Progressive organizations and activists across the country worked their damnedest to elect Biden and other Democrats. He owes this victory in part to them, and they are right to expect Biden to fight on their behalf. Enough with the insults and the belittlement, already.

Progressives are definitely willing to play ball with Democrats who've voted for problematic things in the past. Take Ed Markey, for instance. And by the time of the MA primary most of the Bernie wing had moved on from the primary and were already planning on voting for Biden in the general. Progressives deserve as much credit for Biden's victory as everyone else who voted for him or helped his campaign.

The real electorate is not Twitter, and Twitter Bernie supporters do not represent the vast majority of Bernie supporters. If loud keyboard warriors (most of whom don't even vote!) had real power, President Sanders would be getting ready for his second term after having defeated President Ron Paul in 2016. And Commerce Secretary Yang would be prepping for his inevitable 2024 landslide.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Ipsos Core Political Data (weekly), Nov. 13-17, 1346 adults including 1121 RV

"Overall, do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling his job as President-elect?"  This is the first time they've asked this.

Adults:

Approve 60
Disapprove 31

Strongly approve 37
Strongly disapprove 20


RV:

Approve 62
Disapprove 33

Strongly approve 39
Strongly disapprove 21

[woodley park]

That looks about right for the start of a new president's honeymoon period. I'm guessing the 31% disapproving consists of the hardcore Trump suckers who haven't moved on yet.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_111920.pdf/

(810 A)

Not really approvals, but:
Putting aside any policy differences you may have, how confident are you that Joe Biden
will be able to get Washington to be more cooperative – very confident, somewhat confident, not too confident, or not at all confident?

51/46



Trump approvals
46/51

[pbrower2a]

Hot take: the Biden presidency will have an almost as stable approval rating as the Trump administration.

Stable but higher. America came through the 2020 Presidential election as polarized as ever, and I would say the same thing whether President-elect Biden won 270 or 416 electoral votes. (Alaska went for Trump by 10.09% of the margin of the popular vote. Maybe Alaskans don't like a President unusually cozy with Vladimir Putin, which might not be such a concern in 2024). 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Hot take: the Biden presidency will have an almost as stable approval rating as the Trump administration.

Stable but higher. America came through the 2020 Presidential election as polarized as ever, and I would say the same thing whether President-elect Biden won 270 or 416 electoral votes. (Alaska went for Trump by 10.09% of the margin of the popular vote. Maybe Alaskans don't like a President unusually cozy with Vladimir Putin, which might not be such a concern in 2024). 

Gross was getting mileage due to Dunleavy recall, but Dunleavy is still Gov.  Gross made enroads because he is a Doctor, but when Biden said he would get rid of oil subsidizies, that doomed BOLLIER, Bullock, Gross and Hegar's chances, the Keystone pipeline goes right thru those states. Biden should of waited til after the election to say that

[BudgieForce]

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_111920.pdf/

(810 A)

Not really approvals, but:
Putting aside any policy differences you may have, how confident are you that Joe Biden
will be able to get Washington to be more cooperative – very confident, somewhat confident, not too confident, or not at all confident?

51/46



Trump approvals
46/51

Interestingly, Monmouth over sampled Republicans and Independents in this poll. I'm not saying that's a bad thing mind you, especially after 2020.

[HisGrace]

Hot take: the Biden presidency will have an almost as stable approval rating as the Trump administration.

If he's still at 60% in 4 years I would change my mind about him running again and would support propping him up with a stick to crush Trump. As others have said, I think this is a honeymoon period and it won't be that high in 4 years.

[SnowLabrador]

Do we need to subtract around 4% from his approval rating?

More like 7%.

[Bootes Void]

While there is  bit of a honeymoon period for Biden, it won't be as strong as previous presidents because of partisanship/polarization and all the disputes that going on. All this stuff is putting a lid on that Is think

[pbrower2a]

Any approval level above 50% will be tough to maintain even for a good President. This is Obama territory. Biden hasn't made many mistakes, and he has Trump against which to contrast. There will be difficult choices,

...America is in a rough time due to COVID-19. The casualties are typical of one of the military crises of the American past (Revolutionary War, Civil War, and World War II, all about one long lifespan apart) but the character of leadership through the current crisis could hardly be worse. Trump has us in a costly stalemate that ends only when the Other Side runs out of troops -- more like World War I in most of Europe. That war came to an end when Germany ran out of troops, and the way Trump is leading this Crisis, COVID-19 will lose the war when it runs out of people to infect.

We have surpassed 250,000 deaths for nothing. At least in the American Revolution we shed off a King who had taken away freedoms that people in the Colonies had taken for granted. In the Civil War the Union side emancipated slaves, and in the Second World War America did another pair of great emancipations.

We cannot avoid major, long-term changes in the way that we Americans do things. We will go back to some of our old habits of mass events from rock concerts to church services to sporting events. Masks are a life-saving expedient, but not all that convenient. They will be good for preventing the spread of contagious diseases. We are going to change the way in which we work. Much that we used to do on the cheap because it was good for maximizing profits will no longer be so done.

President Biden will have the good fortune to be around when the vaccine for COVID-19 is found and is mass distributed. The economy will be more stable and likely more equitable. Movies will be filmed again, and people will again attend sporting events. How rotten Donald Trump is will sink in to more minds; following a failure and undoing the damage puts one in a good position to be an above-average President. Just look at Obama.

What has yet to change over a couple decades is the regional polarization of America.  In 1976, only nineteen states and the District of Columbia were decided by 10% or larger margins. In 2000, fully twenty-eight states were decided by 10% or more. In 2008, a full thirty-four states and the District of Columbia were decided by 10% or more (in case anyone attributes that to 'race' because of Barack Obama, the polarization was between the states was already high in 2000, and that had nothing to do with race. In 2020 fully thirty-six states and the District of Columbia were decided by 10% or more. So many states are effectively uncompetitive, which may suggest that cultural identity means more in politics than does the quality of service.

I can tell you about two countries in which cultural identity meant more than political service: Spain in the 1930's and Yugoslavia in the 1990's. Spain may have been nearly uniform in religion, but it was neatly divided between areas about as modern as New England in thought and cultural tastes... and people who still harbored almost medieval ideas on how to live, like Francisco Franco whose only concession to modernity was on technology of war, repression, and manufacturing. 

Here is an example of an exponent of the very modern part of intellectual Spain in the 1930's:



Guernica, Pablo Picasso

in response to this:

 

Guernica, work achieved by the Luftwaffe in collaboration with Francisco Franco.

... OK. The urban-rural divide in American culture is huge. Atlanta and its suburbs are much more similar to Chicago and its suburbs than to rural areas on the fringe of TV reception from those cities. People in Greater Chicago often feel alien in places like Kankakee. Then there is the joke about Atlanta: Atlanta is a fully-modern metropolitan area surrounded by Georgia.   Suburbia is becoming literally urban, at least in the sense that suburbanites go downtown to get their culture. People in rural America generally must settle with Wal*Mart for their culture, except for the movie theater, cable TV, or radio.