NY: Trump on Trial!

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I've read that according to the arrest record, Trump weights 270 pounds!
(He was usually recorded around 240 when he was President.)

[wbrocks67]

CNN also mentioned that the statue of limitation for crimes in New York was essentially paused for one year during the pandemic by Cuomo, so that may have something to do with it as well.

[wbrocks67]

"The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come"

So the precedent is... politicians should be held accountable when they commit crimes? I mean this talking point is frankly ridiculous. Even more so when Republicans go on and on about crime and especially here in Philly - where our DA is regularly lambasted for "not holding criminals accountable" and then you have a full throated defense of Trump who committed a crime who apparently should... not be held accountable. So disastrously hypocritical.

The precedent established is that politicians can be prosecuted for political reasons by politicians of the opposite party regardless of the evidence, because:

1. In N.Y. the D.A. can indict anyone by simple majority of a Grand Jury without necessary presenting evidence.

2. The office of the D.A. is an elected office, therefore the D.A. is a politician in practice.

Welcome to the Can opening, now lets see the Worms.

Except there was evidence. And Trump committed a crime. Not sure why this is hard!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I'm not a lawyer so I will not comment on the merits of the case but I am struck by the lack of protests nationwide. We were told that indicting Trump would enrage half the nation but so far the reaction has been pretty much meh. Biggest protests happening now are against the TN Legislature.

Because J6 was a surprise just like George Floyd Protests and we were in Covid lockdowns we are no longer in lockdown mode

Why are there no more Kenosha riots there are plenty of BLM like Proud Boys because protests weren't just about J 6 or Floyd people wanted their freedom too

There are still blk men getting killed but Daute Wright happen with Floyd protests

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

Precedent has been set so whatever. Hopefully, the DOJ and Fani Willis will now do their thing.

Merrick Garland is very milquetoast, so I won't put much faith in him though. Willis is where my focus will be.

[Torie]

The statute of limitations is 5 years and the latest date mentioned is December 5, 2017.

The bookkeeping extends into 2018 which is when the clock starts.

If so, why was that not alleged in the indictment?

[emailking]

No clue.

[Torie]

No clue.

Here is a bit more to put on the pile. Did Covid and Andrew Cuomo end up tanking the Donald?

https://deadline.com/2023/04/trump-indictment-prison-details-stormy-daniels-alvin-bragg-1235317833/

“Though the statute of limitations on felonies in the Empire State is usually five years, because Trump was in Washington D.C. during his White House term and formally became a Sunshine State resident afterwards, a pause was put in place. Also, during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, then Empire Stare Governor Andrew Cuomo hit the halt button on the statute.”

This paragraph retreads the POTUS pause and out of state theories that don’t impress me much at all, but the NYS law pausing the running of the SOL during Covid is a new angle on the matter not previously reported.

"CNN also mentioned that the statue of limitation for crimes in New York was essentially paused for one year during the pandemic by Cuomo, so that may have something to do with it as well."

If true, that explains everything perhaps.

[Woody]

Trump is innocent until evidence proves otherwise: Democrat, Harold Ford Jr.


https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323959315112

[emailking]

In the courtroom he will be, sure.

[Torie]

Harold, Harold, the mantra is presumed innocent. So sad.

[Pericles]

Reading the indictment, it looks like Trump paid off two women before the 2016 election. We know Stormy got the $130,000 payment, so someone else had a 'sexual relationship' with Trump (rather than the 'sexual encounter' Stormy had) and got paid $150,000. Did anyone know about this, or is this a new scandal?

It looks like they got him on tape again too.

[DrScholl]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

[Damocles]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

[emailking]

Reading the indictment, it looks like Trump paid off two women before the 2016 election. We know Stormy got the $130,000 payment, so someone else had a 'sexual relationship' with Trump (rather than the 'sexual encounter' Stormy had) and got paid $150,000. Did anyone know about this, or is this a new scandal?

It looks like they got him on tape again too.

It's probably just referring to Karen McDougal.

[oldtimer]

"The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come"

So the precedent is... politicians should be held accountable when they commit crimes? I mean this talking point is frankly ridiculous. Even more so when Republicans go on and on about crime and especially here in Philly - where our DA is regularly lambasted for "not holding criminals accountable" and then you have a full throated defense of Trump who committed a crime who apparently should... not be held accountable. So disastrously hypocritical.

The precedent established is that politicians can be prosecuted for political reasons by politicians of the opposite party regardless of the evidence, because:

1. In N.Y. the D.A. can indict anyone by simple majority of a Grand Jury without necessary presenting evidence.

2. The office of the D.A. is an elected office, therefore the D.A. is a politician in practice.

Welcome to the Can opening, now lets see the Worms.

Except there was evidence. And Trump committed a crime. Not sure why this is hard!

Not according to him, and if you can't have people like him you haven't got it, the jury won't convict (remember you need unanimity for a conviction):
https://twitter.com/greenfield64/status/1643357993680125952

[bilaps]

"The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come"

So the precedent is... politicians should be held accountable when they commit crimes? I mean this talking point is frankly ridiculous. Even more so when Republicans go on and on about crime and especially here in Philly - where our DA is regularly lambasted for "not holding criminals accountable" and then you have a full throated defense of Trump who committed a crime who apparently should... not be held accountable. So disastrously hypocritical.

The precedent established is that politicians can be prosecuted for political reasons by politicians of the opposite party regardless of the evidence, because:

1. In N.Y. the D.A. can indict anyone by simple majority of a Grand Jury without necessary presenting evidence.

2. The office of the D.A. is an elected office, therefore the D.A. is a politician in practice.

Welcome to the Can opening, now lets see the Worms.

Except there was evidence. And Trump committed a crime. Not sure why this is hard!

I thought you were a polling not legal expert.

[oldtimer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you ain't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

[Asta]

I'm not a lawyer so I will not comment on the merits of the case but I am struck by the lack of protests nationwide. We were told that indicting Trump would enrage half the nation but so far the reaction has been pretty much meh. Biggest protests happening now are against the TN Legislature.

I am never the one to underestimate the passion of his supporters but I think two factors are in play.

Supreme Court seats have been filled and abortion got set back so there isn't as much benefit to come in defense of the guy as before, unlike 2016. DeSantis seems to be fighting against Democrats for them better anyway.

Another is that even Trump supporters have reached fatigue with him and his antics and that significant chunk of them, too, deep down would admit that his past is a mess. Especially after 1/6, I think they would reconsider displaying cultist tantrum again at the national stage.

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1643349194332053507

[LBJer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

[oldtimer]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco, and I was opposed to such moves.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We will see tonight in the outcome in WI if it changes the race I know Vallas is running scared of Johnson and he was the Fav

[OSR stands with Israel]

The whole presumed innocent mantra is just a formality. It doesn't mean a person is actually not guilty.

Especially in a case where there’s such a clear and obvious evidence trail to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you can't even get Mitt Romney to convict, you haven't got it:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1643355977557606401?cxt=HHwWgoCwncDjr84...

And of course politicians have no political agenda of their own.

The point is if even the strongest anti-Trump voices say No to conviction because they believe there is no evidence to convict, then the jury is unlikely be to persuaded to convict.

So the picture is that the D.A. choose to indict without having the evidence for probable conviction even with a Manhattan jury.

It's a fiasco.

Even Amash :

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1643361709766193153?t=_7FQqD6uG-FQ6qzer-_...

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

They spend monies on these investigation it's not free and we have other priorities why haven't the Fed probes been answered and they had Docugate before the Midterms