GoFundMe seizes funds of Canadian trucker convoy

[T'Chenka]

Not that I mind that. It's a good thing to see the truckers fighting back against this nanny state drivel.

Canadian citizens / voters show overall support for the govermment on this when polled. We aren't libertarians up here.

That's too bad.  Canadian citizens will not appreciate their own civil liberties until they're gone and Justin Trudeau likes power too much to give them back.

My heart goes out to ordinary Canadians who are trying to live normal lives.

My mom would be too busy dying to appreciate her "right" to spread COVID everywhere she goes during the pandemic, not that she would exercise that right anyways.

[Fuzzy Bear]

But isn't this a 2 way street?  If you were against the BLM protests, don't you also have to be against this?

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ottawans-fed-up-with-trucker-blockade-blame-police-inaction-2022-02-03/

"They are being ... harassed and terrorized," McKenney said, citing complaints of air horns, erratic driving, open fires and "widespread public urination and defecation," while asking for more police support.

The government will not use troops against the truckers, Trudeau said on Thursday.

Police chief Peter Sloly said his officers could neither deny the truckers their right to demonstrate, nor was he in a position to negotiate an end to the protest.

Harrassed and terrorized?  That's a Trudeau pol whining about conditions that were routine in multiple major cities in America courtesy of BLM.

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.  Their behavior is an inconvenience?  What about the Poor Peoples' March of 1968?  These truckers' actions seem no worse behaved than those folks, and THOSE folks had all sorts of complaints of this sort aimed at them back in 1968 by pols of all sorts.

Besides, BLM's funding wasn't cut by GoFundMe or anyone else.  It was increased.  That's the standard.  You didn't cut it for BLM, you don't cut it for this group.  

These folks aren't rioting.  They are protesting the authoritarian response to COVID-19 and their response is long overdue.  They are REAL Freedom Fighters, not just the kind that pass for FFs at this place.  And, truthfully, I cannot understand how people who give BLM all the props in the world, despite the behavior at THEIR protests, cannot at least have some sympathy for people who, arguably are bullied by what is turning out to be a surprisingly repressive Canadian government whose Dear Leader seems unable to bear any criticism of his actions.  

My standard is the same.  You didn't do it to BLM (cut off their funding); don't do it to the truckers.  And don't conspire to take donors' monies and give it to charities that are diametrically opposed to the aims of the truckers in this matter.  Just imagine if I ran GoFundMe and decided I didn't want GoFundMe to support your intended recipient of your donation and took that money and donated it to a group that opposes abortion.  Would you consider me a thief?

I'm the one that's being consistent here.  You're the one that's not.

[T'Chenka]

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.

Fuzzy, an entire mall has been shut down for more than a week because it was FULL of anti-maskers. Those workers are now recieving no income. We elected a Conservative govermment who put in a mask mandate (which is popular). The mall decided to close because a mall full of anti-mask customers is insanely dangerous, both in terms of the health of the workers and also that the lawlessness encouraged more lawlessless... there were people smoking indoors and a few threats of violence to staff who attempted to control the situation. The police didn't have the numbers to deal with it, which is why they now might call in the army.

I thought you supported law and order? This is a serious issue. Ontarian culture mostly takes COVID a lot more seriously than Florida culture and our laws reflect that (and overall public support of our laws).

I don't want to hear any arguments about "the mask mandate is unjust". It's the law. People can advocate for a change of the law or they can move to a province with a different law, but RIGHT NOW, hundreds of anti-maskers inside of a mall is NOT law-abiding behaviour, period. I don't want to hear any more comments aboit how law-abiding these people are. Businesses and residents all over Ottawa want these people gone.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Oooooooh, the truckers don't want to get vaccinated. Little crybabies, aren't they? Has mommy always mollycoddled them a bit too much? Guess what, life's tough. For instance, I don't want to get up early tomorrow and have to work. Maybe the truckers can help me out there too. And I want a foot message, but not from one of them truckers. Too hairy, I guess.

[Crumpets]

You can make whatever arguments in favor or against these protesters you want, but at the end of the day, they're only making themselves and their positions less popular with every passing moment. At this point, it seems like their strategy is going to be to try to deliberately draw a heavy-handed response to build sympathy, but that only works if people don't see you as a threat, which it's clear most Canadians do, and at an increasing rate with every passing day.

And that's something that is in contrast to at least the early days of the George Floyd protests. Public opinion was largely behind them, and they did manage to get some wins as a result - some police departments being reformed, city budgets being reworked, and most of all, the arrest of Derek Chauvin. But once they lost public opinion, their wins started to slip away. The truckers here never had public opinion on their side to begin with.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Bravo Ron DeSantis for investigating GoFundMe. No sense in allowing these evil tech companies get away with murder while activist progressive AGs and DAs turn everything into a political circus to advance their careers. Time to takes the kiddie gloves off

[Fuzzy Bear]

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.

Fuzzy, an entire mall has been shut down for more than a week because it was FULL of anti-maskers. Those workers are now recieving no income. We elected a Conservative govermment who put in a mask mandate (which is popular). The mall decided to close because a mall full of anti-mask customers is insanely dangerous, both in terms of the health of the workers and also that the lawlessness encouraged more lawlessless... there were people smoking indoors and a few threats of violence to staff who attempted to control the situation. The police didn't have the numbers to deal with it, which is why they now might call in the army.

I thought you supported law and order? This is a serious issue. Ontarian culture mostly takes COVID a lot more seriously than Florida culture and our laws reflect that (and overall public support of our laws).

I don't want to hear any arguments about "the mask mandate is unjust". It's the law. People can advocate for a change of the law or they can move to a province with a different law, but RIGHT NOW, hundreds of anti-maskers inside of a mall is NOT law-abiding behaviour, period. I don't want to hear any more comments aboit how law-abiding these people are. Businesses and residents all over Ottawa want these people gone.

You're a good person, and one of the people here that I care about personally, so this isn't personal, but you were out to lunch when BLM was trashing cities, breaking laws, doing what they were doing in MULTIPLE American cities, over a situation where (A) there was consensus outrage, and (B) the incident was IMMEDIATELY addressed and PROPERLY addressed by the criminal justice system.  And these people were in the streets, blowing off social distancing, looting, committing arson, and occupying police precincts (in some cities) on a wide scale.  Indeed, IIRC, you voiced support for BLM and Antifa, basing your support on the "Racism is an Emergency" logic, while begrudging Americans whose livelihoods were being decimated by the restrictions placed on their businesses (often representing their life savings) in the name of "public health".  You could not voice much outrage when BLM were burning and looting American cities, but you wish for outrage when truckers frustrated by YEARS of restrictions placed on them by a government led by a psychopath (which I consider Justin Trudeau to be) who has no regard for THEIR lives and livelihoods and will not even earnestly hear them out.  And given the freedom others have indulged in when it comes to Donald Trump's psychological state, I fail to see how my comment about the guy from Ottawa who likes to play dress-up is out of line.

So, no, I can't accept your argument here.  You haven't been consistent.  You have been harsher on those who have been less law-abiding in this.  If you had objected to the BLM and Antifa demonstrations (which were violent riots) I would be more disposed to your argument, but that is not the case. 

[Fuzzy Bear]

This "peaceful protest" (occupation) causes a lot of problems for the citizens and businesses of Ottawa. I want GoFundMe to be fair about this, but they violated the terms and conditions and now they lost their revenue stream. As a critic of the occupation, this is great news.

And, yet, you are fine with the violent protests of BLM in Minneapolis, Seattle, Kenosha, Atlanta, et. al.

This is a false statement and everybody on this forum of all avatar colours know it. Come on, man.

BLM did not lose revenue streams when they conducted violent protests; they GAINED revenue streams.  And BLM did all the things you criticize and then some.  The truckers, whose cause I presume you disagree with are not burning buildings, harassing diners at restaurants, going to peoples' houses at midnight and loudly chanting "Wake up, m-----f-----, wake up!". 

I would be happy to see the protestors / agitators that did that lose their revenue stream. Whether those actions were coordinated by the BLM organization is another story.

BLM did not lose revenue stream
GoFundMe are now "walking back" their plan to take these monies and give them to charities of GoFundMe's choice.  Isn't that flat out theft?  Where's your outrage on that?

Yeah, I'm against that. Just give the money back UNLESS it states right in the terms of service that this is GoFundMe's policy. In which case, follow your policies but I dislike the policy.

My outrage over this is that BLM is treated with kid gloves while these Truckers are treated as criminals, when the FACT is that BLM committed more acts of criminality in their protests than these truckers. 

We have a mask mandate in Ontario and I can guarantee you that that law / by-law has been broken over 10,000  times by these losers in Ottawa since the protest started. So, you're definitely wrong here. Breaking a law because you disagree with it still counts as breaking a law.

You may not like their cause, but they are law-abiding citizens, and I support them because they are standing up to the Walking Abscess that is your Prime Minister who is actively depriving ordinary Canadians of individual freedoms that, until now, were taken for granted and considered unremarkable. 

I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau, but he's trying to protect people like my mother from getting killed by these people. The public overall supports Trudeau and opposes these people. If this country isn't libertarian enough for them, they're welcome to go live in Trumpistan.

I don't know how old your Mom is, but I'm 65, and my wife is 67.  Our youngest son is 16 and is homeschooled.  I doubt your Mom is much older than us, if she's older at all.  I'm saying this because the vast majority of COVID-19 deaths are for people past the age of average life expectancy, and those under that age usually have multiple comorbidities.  I had a friend of ours, a young pastor, die at 41.  He was a non-smoker, non-drinking married father of two.  He also weighed over 400 lbs (possibly over 500) and had been that grossly obese his whole life. 

I don't want to die, and I don't want my wife to die.  I would like very much to live a long life.  I would certainly like to see my youngest son marry.  I would like to live to see my granddaughters married, and I would like to live to see all of them come to be Saved and know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.  I would like all of this very much, but not at any price.  Not at the cost of individual freedoms to travel, to work, to freely associate.  Not at the cost of censored speech where a Public Health Bureaucracy cannot be publicly questioned, not even by credentialed Doctors and Scientists.  I've lived a good life, and I want to live some more, but I would prefer death to the loss of personal freedom for my children. 

[T'Chenka]

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.

Fuzzy, an entire mall has been shut down for more than a week because it was FULL of anti-maskers. Those workers are now recieving no income. We elected a Conservative govermment who put in a mask mandate (which is popular). The mall decided to close because a mall full of anti-mask customers is insanely dangerous, both in terms of the health of the workers and also that the lawlessness encouraged more lawlessless... there were people smoking indoors and a few threats of violence to staff who attempted to control the situation. The police didn't have the numbers to deal with it, which is why they now might call in the army.

I thought you supported law and order? This is a serious issue. Ontarian culture mostly takes COVID a lot more seriously than Florida culture and our laws reflect that (and overall public support of our laws).

I don't want to hear any arguments about "the mask mandate is unjust". It's the law. People can advocate for a change of the law or they can move to a province with a different law, but RIGHT NOW, hundreds of anti-maskers inside of a mall is NOT law-abiding behaviour, period. I don't want to hear any more comments aboit how law-abiding these people are. Businesses and residents all over Ottawa want these people gone.

You're a good person, and one of the people here that I care about personally, so this isn't personal, but you were out to lunch when BLM was trashing cities, breaking laws, doing what they were doing in MULTIPLE American cities, over a situation where (A) there was consensus outrage, and (B) the incident was IMMEDIATELY addressed and PROPERLY addressed by the criminal justice system.  And these people were in the streets, blowing off social distancing, looting, committing arson, and occupying police precincts (in some cities) on a wide scale.  Indeed, IIRC, you voiced support for BLM and Antifa, basing your support on the "Racism is an Emergency" logic, while begrudging Americans whose livelihoods were being decimated by the restrictions placed on their businesses (often representing their life savings) in the name of "public health".  You could not voice much outrage when BLM were burning and looting American cities, but you wish for outrage when truckers frustrated by YEARS of restrictions placed on them by a government led by a psychopath (which I consider Justin Trudeau to be) who has no regard for THEIR lives and livelihoods and will not even earnestly hear them out.  And given the freedom others have indulged in when it comes to Donald Trump's psychological state, I fail to see how my comment about the guy from Ottawa who likes to play dress-up is out of line.

So, no, I can't accept your argument here.  You haven't been consistent.  You have been harsher on those who have been less law-abiding in this.  If you had objected to the BLM and Antifa demonstrations (which were violent riots) I would be more disposed to your argument, but that is not the case. 

Fuzzy, with ALL due respect, you are misremembering my posting history. The only time I used the "racism is an emergency" argument is when I supported BLM peaceful protest, and even at that time, I was criticizing people who refused to choose between social distancing and wearing a mask. Other than that, I was a critic of the looting, vandalizing and criminal behaviour. I don't know if you have the time to do so, but if you search into my posting history, all of the evidence is there that I'm telling you the truth. Many other members of this forum remember my position on this, and they could back me up, if they care enough to do so. And if not, that's perfectly fine too. I know what my positions are/were. If you don't, that's on you. The evidence is there if you want to look at it.

[T'Chenka]

This "peaceful protest" (occupation) causes a lot of problems for the citizens and businesses of Ottawa. I want GoFundMe to be fair about this, but they violated the terms and conditions and now they lost their revenue stream. As a critic of the occupation, this is great news.

And, yet, you are fine with the violent protests of BLM in Minneapolis, Seattle, Kenosha, Atlanta, et. al.

This is a false statement and everybody on this forum of all avatar colours know it. Come on, man.

BLM did not lose revenue streams when they conducted violent protests; they GAINED revenue streams.  And BLM did all the things you criticize and then some.  The truckers, whose cause I presume you disagree with are not burning buildings, harassing diners at restaurants, going to peoples' houses at midnight and loudly chanting "Wake up, m-----f-----, wake up!".  

I would be happy to see the protestors / agitators that did that lose their revenue stream. Whether those actions were coordinated by the BLM organization is another story.

BLM did not lose revenue stream
GoFundMe are now "walking back" their plan to take these monies and give them to charities of GoFundMe's choice.  Isn't that flat out theft?  Where's your outrage on that?

Yeah, I'm against that. Just give the money back UNLESS it states right in the terms of service that this is GoFundMe's policy. In which case, follow your policies but I dislike the policy.

My outrage over this is that BLM is treated with kid gloves while these Truckers are treated as criminals, when the FACT is that BLM committed more acts of criminality in their protests than these truckers.

We have a mask mandate in Ontario and I can guarantee you that that law / by-law has been broken over 10,000  times by these losers in Ottawa since the protest started. So, you're definitely wrong here. Breaking a law because you disagree with it still counts as breaking a law.

You may not like their cause, but they are law-abiding citizens, and I support them because they are standing up to the Walking Abscess that is your Prime Minister who is actively depriving ordinary Canadians of individual freedoms that, until now, were taken for granted and considered unremarkable.

I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau, but he's trying to protect people like my mother from getting killed by these people. The public overall supports Trudeau and opposes these people. If this country isn't libertarian enough for them, they're welcome to go live in Trumpistan.

I don't know how old your Mom is, but I'm 65, and my wife is 67.  Our youngest son is 16 and is homeschooled.  I doubt your Mom is much older than us, if she's older at all.  I'm saying this because the vast majority of COVID-19 deaths are for people past the age of average life expectancy, and those under that age usually have multiple comorbidities.  I had a friend of ours, a young pastor, die at 41.  He was a non-smoker, non-drinking married father of two.  He also weighed over 400 lbs (possibly over 500) and had been that grossly obese his whole life.  

I don't want to die, and I don't want my wife to die.  I would like very much to live a long life.  I would certainly like to see my youngest son marry.  I would like to live to see my granddaughters married, and I would like to live to see all of them come to be Saved and know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.  I would like all of this very much, but not at any price.  Not at the cost of individual freedoms to travel, to work, to freely associate.  Not at the cost of censored speech where a Public Health Bureaucracy cannot be publicly questioned, not even by credentialed Doctors and Scientists.  I've lived a good life, and I want to live some more, but I would prefer death to the loss of personal freedom for my children.  

My mother is 64, overweight (but not obese) with some lung issues. Lockdowns and vaccine mandates are a way of the government deciding that people like my mother should be able to go on living their lives without being exposed to grave danger every single day, at the cost of anti-vaxxers (who are often anti-maskers as well) entering movie theaters, restaurants and airplanes. These policies are popular in Ontario, which means that the people who live here agree with the government that people like my mother being able to leave their homes is more important than people who refuse to be a team player for society posing unnecessary risks to everybody else. This is what our (Ontarian) society wants. We want freedom for the people who are doing their part more than we want freedom for the people who refuse to do their part, if an international health emergency is forcing us to choose. Your Floridian society is free to have a different outlook and different policies.

[Fuzzy Bear]

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.

Fuzzy, an entire mall has been shut down for more than a week because it was FULL of anti-maskers. Those workers are now recieving no income. We elected a Conservative govermment who put in a mask mandate (which is popular). The mall decided to close because a mall full of anti-mask customers is insanely dangerous, both in terms of the health of the workers and also that the lawlessness encouraged more lawlessless... there were people smoking indoors and a few threats of violence to staff who attempted to control the situation. The police didn't have the numbers to deal with it, which is why they now might call in the army.

I thought you supported law and order? This is a serious issue. Ontarian culture mostly takes COVID a lot more seriously than Florida culture and our laws reflect that (and overall public support of our laws).

I don't want to hear any arguments about "the mask mandate is unjust". It's the law. People can advocate for a change of the law or they can move to a province with a different law, but RIGHT NOW, hundreds of anti-maskers inside of a mall is NOT law-abiding behaviour, period. I don't want to hear any more comments aboit how law-abiding these people are. Businesses and residents all over Ottawa want these people gone.

You're a good person, and one of the people here that I care about personally, so this isn't personal, but you were out to lunch when BLM was trashing cities, breaking laws, doing what they were doing in MULTIPLE American cities, over a situation where (A) there was consensus outrage, and (B) the incident was IMMEDIATELY addressed and PROPERLY addressed by the criminal justice system.  And these people were in the streets, blowing off social distancing, looting, committing arson, and occupying police precincts (in some cities) on a wide scale.  Indeed, IIRC, you voiced support for BLM and Antifa, basing your support on the "Racism is an Emergency" logic, while begrudging Americans whose livelihoods were being decimated by the restrictions placed on their businesses (often representing their life savings) in the name of "public health".  You could not voice much outrage when BLM were burning and looting American cities, but you wish for outrage when truckers frustrated by YEARS of restrictions placed on them by a government led by a psychopath (which I consider Justin Trudeau to be) who has no regard for THEIR lives and livelihoods and will not even earnestly hear them out.  And given the freedom others have indulged in when it comes to Donald Trump's psychological state, I fail to see how my comment about the guy from Ottawa who likes to play dress-up is out of line.

So, no, I can't accept your argument here.  You haven't been consistent.  You have been harsher on those who have been less law-abiding in this.  If you had objected to the BLM and Antifa demonstrations (which were violent riots) I would be more disposed to your argument, but that is not the case. 

Fuzzy, with ALL due respect, you are misremembering my posting history. The only time I used the "racism is an emergency" argument is when I supported BLM peaceful protest, and even at that time, I was criticizing people who refused to choose between social distancing and wearing a mask. Other than that, I was a critic of the looting, vandalizing and criminal behaviour. I don't know if you have the time to do so, but if you search into my posting history, all of the evidence is there that I'm telling you the truth. Many other members of this forum remember my position on this, and they could back me up, if they care enough to do so. And if not, that's perfectly fine too. I know what my positions are/were. If you don't, that's on you. The evidence is there if you want to look at it.

Here's your actual post.  I gave a misleading statement which I want to clear up.  You never condoned violence (although, quite frankly, you minimized the degree to which BLM and Antifa's protests were violent) and you minimized BLM's role in the illegalities by citing how decentralized it was, etc.  Here's the post, which is easier to quote by copying and pasting:

The BLM protests should have happened. They NEEDED to happen, some might argue, for the long-term future of America. They should not have have happened without masks or social distancing, as some on this forum including myself pointed out and criticized at the time. At least they were outdoors.

I support churches moving outdoors with social distancing and masks, but other than all 3 happening, they should probably stay closed. In person AND indoors church services absolutely do not "need" to happen when they are so many reasonable alternatives with much lower risk to the community. I honestly can't even see the comparison between a necessary cultural movement and having church in a very specific way instead of several reasonable alternatives.

Please don't mention "trained Marxists", because the BLM movement is not heavily coordinated by the BLM organization. I myself do not like or support the organization, despite massively supporting the movement.

If the COVID-19 pandemic was the Public Health Crisis you say it is, your statement about the protests "needing" to happen cannot be justified.  That's something you can't have both ways.  If the crisis is THAT severe, then BLM and Antifa needed to find a way to voice their opinions without taking to the streets.  Period.  If you can support limiting churches, denying others the right to protest in order to air grievances, then there is no way you can justify your position and be consistent. 

If BLM engaged in Civil Disobedience, that would be one thing.  But Civil Disobedience is a measure appropriate for a violation of basic rights in the face of an indifferent power structure.  There was an immediate response to the death of George Floyd by the civil authorities that was genuine and affirmative.  That's not the case of the truckers in Canada; they are having their livelihoods threatened and they are being forced to accept vaccinations whose value they rightly question.   I just had COVID-19 a second time and I am fully vaccinated, and it was my last COVID-19 shot that caused a fever to spike to 106 degrees that night.  So my stance is that if you were OK with BLM protesting in the midst of a pandemic, I'm OK with truckers engaging in protests for their rights as well.  If you can't uneqivocally say that the BLM protests (i. e. riots) should not have gone on due to pandemic, period, then I cannot believe that the COVID-19 restrictions you advocate for are as necessary as you say they are.

[Fuzzy Bear]

At a minimum, these folks are no worse than BLM.  These people are no worse behaved than BLM protesters, and arguably better.

Fuzzy, an entire mall has been shut down for more than a week because it was FULL of anti-maskers. Those workers are now recieving no income. We elected a Conservative govermment who put in a mask mandate (which is popular). The mall decided to close because a mall full of anti-mask customers is insanely dangerous, both in terms of the health of the workers and also that the lawlessness encouraged more lawlessless... there were people smoking indoors and a few threats of violence to staff who attempted to control the situation. The police didn't have the numbers to deal with it, which is why they now might call in the army.

I thought you supported law and order? This is a serious issue. Ontarian culture mostly takes COVID a lot more seriously than Florida culture and our laws reflect that (and overall public support of our laws).

I don't want to hear any arguments about "the mask mandate is unjust". It's the law. People can advocate for a change of the law or they can move to a province with a different law, but RIGHT NOW, hundreds of anti-maskers inside of a mall is NOT law-abiding behaviour, period. I don't want to hear any more comments aboit how law-abiding these people are. Businesses and residents all over Ottawa want these people gone.

Residents of multiple cities in America wanted BLM gone, yet cowardly Mayors and Governors refused to call in the National Guard to prevent violence.  If you had spoken up for those people I would be more concerned about one group of employees in one (1) mall. 

The mask mandate is unjust.  It's mindless theater that satisfies the need of power mad pols.

Decisions made in this pandemic, in both the US and Canada, were made by elites who are unaffected by the pandemic.  They lost no income.  The people they were concerned with were people who coulde work from home and telecommute.  The people who were "essential" would just wear a mask.  The people who were not "essential" who couldn't work from home were simply out of luck.  The parents who needed to work but could not because of no in-person school were simply out of luck.  And the Public Health establishment, the Political establishment, and the people who made these decisions didn't care one iota for those people, or for those whose businesses were/are shut down.

Outrage against insensitive elites is well justified.  If the BLM non-peaceful protests HAD to happen, then the Canadian Truckers Protest HAD to happen as well for the sake of human freedoms and human rights.  That's my stance on this.  The condoning of BLM protesting during pandemic restrictions made this postion relatively easy to take.

[T'Chenka]

If the COVID-19 pandemic was the Public Health Crisis you say it is, your statement about the protests "needing" to happen cannot be justified.  That's something you can't have both ways.  If the crisis is THAT severe, then BLM and Antifa needed to find a way to voice their opinions without taking to the streets.  Period.  If you can support limiting churches, denying others the right to protest in order to air grievances, then there is no way you can justify your position and be consistent. 

I supported BLM protests where everybody was either socially distancing or wearing a mask. Ideally both. There were no messages from BLM about "make sure you don't socially distance and don't wear a mask". Therefore, I supported the protests themselves, and some of the protestors, but was disappointed with the protestors who weren't being COVID-safe. There isn't evidence to suggest that relatively safe outdoor protests were impossible.

If BLM engaged in Civil Disobedience, that would be one thing.  But Civil Disobedience is a measure appropriate for a violation of basic rights in the face of an indifferent power structure.  There was an immediate response to the death of George Floyd by the civil authorities that was genuine and affirmative.  That's not the case of the truckers in Canada; they are having their livelihoods threatened and they are being forced to accept vaccinations whose value they rightly question.

You don't have a right to keep your job if you fail to meet the safety standards and safety protocols of the job. If you repeatedly fail to use safety equipment at work, despite multiple warnings, you could lose your job. Which is reasonable.

[Fuzzy Bear]

If the COVID-19 pandemic was the Public Health Crisis you say it is, your statement about the protests "needing" to happen cannot be justified.  That's something you can't have both ways.  If the crisis is THAT severe, then BLM and Antifa needed to find a way to voice their opinions without taking to the streets.  Period.  If you can support limiting churches, denying others the right to protest in order to air grievances, then there is no way you can justify your position and be consistent. 

I supported BLM protests where everybody was either socially distancing or wearing a mask. Ideally both. There were no messages from BLM about "make sure you don't socially distance and don't wear a mask". Therefore, I supported the protests themselves, and some of the protestors, but was disappointed with the protestors who weren't being COVID-safe. There isn't evidence to suggest that relatively safe outdoor protests were impossible.

If BLM engaged in Civil Disobedience, that would be one thing.  But Civil Disobedience is a measure appropriate for a violation of basic rights in the face of an indifferent power structure.  There was an immediate response to the death of George Floyd by the civil authorities that was genuine and affirmative.  That's not the case of the truckers in Canada; they are having their livelihoods threatened and they are being forced to accept vaccinations whose value they rightly question.

You don't have a right to keep your job if you fail to meet the safety standards and safety protocols of the job. If you repeatedly fail to use safety equipment at work, despite multiple warnings, you could lose your job. Which is reasonable.

But the safety protocols have to actually have something to do with the actual dangers of the job.  A mandate made in the name of job safety needs to be shown to actually have something to do with  safety.  I would argue that this is not the case with a vaccine mandate, particularly when you have so many people contracting COVID-19 after multiple jabs.  When you have a vaccine whose efficacy is legitimately in question, the idea that the "mandate" is a legitimate job safety measure is rightfully subject to question.  No matter what Mark Zuckerberg may think.

[Joe Republic]

Holy sh**t this is terrifying.  Tenants in a downtown Ottawa apartment building had complained about the constant noise from the protests all day and night, so a couple of the protestors decided to duct tape the doors shut and try to burn the building down with everybody inside.  CCTV screenshots shown in the tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/TiMunoz/status/1490473045965815812?s=20&t=huyygcOi0CFesM...

[T'Chenka]

Holy sh**t this is terrifying.  Tenants in a downtown Ottawa apartment building had complained about the constant noise from the protests all day and night, so a couple of the protestors decided to duct tape the doors shut and try to burn the building down with everybody inside.  CCTV screenshots shown in the tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/TiMunoz/status/1490473045965815812?s=20&t=huyygcOi0CFesM...

Assuming this is real, which I'm a bit hesitant about right at this moment, HOLY ING sh**t. This is a huge deal and is going to be all over Canadian news, if it's true.

[Joe Republic]

Holy sh**t this is terrifying.  Tenants in a downtown Ottawa apartment building had complained about the constant noise from the protests all day and night, so a couple of the protestors decided to duct tape the doors shut and try to burn the building down with everybody inside.  CCTV screenshots shown in the tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/TiMunoz/status/1490473045965815812?s=20&t=huyygcOi0CFesM...

Assuming this is real, which I'm a bit hesitant about right at this moment, HOLY ING sh**t. This is a huge deal and is going to be all over Canadian news, if it's true.

Agreed, I'm hesitant as well because right now the only news reports I've seen are referring back to this unverified tweet thread.

[T'Chenka]

Holy sh**t this is terrifying.  Tenants in a downtown Ottawa apartment building had complained about the constant noise from the protests all day and night, so a couple of the protestors decided to duct tape the doors shut and try to burn the building down with everybody inside.  CCTV screenshots shown in the tweet thread:

https://twitter.com/TiMunoz/status/1490473045965815812?s=20&t=huyygcOi0CFesM...

Assuming this is real, which I'm a bit hesitant about right at this moment, HOLY ING sh**t. This is a huge deal and is going to be all over Canadian news, if it's true.

Agreed, I'm hesitant as well because right now the only news reports I've seen are referring back to this unverified tweet thread.

I read the tweet thread and some of the comments, and apparently the police are interviewing residents of the apartment building today. This is a big enough news story that one of the reporters from one of the news organizations will definitely bring it up at a press conference and the police will either confirm or deny it.

[Grassroots]

This is not going to stop the protestors, in fact, they shall grow even more due to this.

Not that I mind that. It's a good thing to see the truckers fighting back against this nanny state drivel.

[Santander]

GoFundMe pulled the dollars just in time:

https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1490547103596269570

Justin probably thought they were just white guys in blackface brownface.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1490193738626383877

[Santander]

Why would the American right organize a protest in Canada... They could just direct those efforts to organizing one in the US. Just because some patriots were inspired by the truckers and sent them donations doesn't make it a false flag operation, lol.

[T'Chenka]

Why would the American right organize a protest in Canada...

Because want to support the right wing against COVID restrictions in all sorts of countries, especially Western countries, English-speaking countries and countries they share a border with?

[GeorgiaModerate]

A credible news source (the Toronto Star) is now reporting the building fire story.  They say that the Ottawa Police's arson unit is investigating.

Link

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

This is why I never use GoFundMe.