DC statehood Megathread (pg 33 - Manchin questioning constitutionality)

[Chips]

So...what is the chance DC get statehood? I say around 20%.

I'd say same as you. There's a plausible chance but I'd be a bit surprised if it happens. Same with PR.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

[MillennialModerate]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

What part of MARYLAND DOESNT WANT THAT is so hard to understand?

[ProgressiveModerate]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

I agree that I don't want an escalation of power grabs, but I don't like how people are looking at DC statehood as a power grab, it should be about giving people representation. Sure, you could argue DC would give minority voters, college-educated voters, and urban voters more representation in a Senate where they tend to be under-represented, but the real issue is just giving people representation in the first place. Furthermore, DC doesn't want to become part of MD and MD doesn't want to reclaim DC, so there's no reason to merge the 2 states when DC is already fast growing and has more folks than several other states.

Things like packing the SC, gerrymandering, or allocating electors in a state like GA are just clear power grabs, but DC statehood should be about giving people representation.

[WD]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

Neither one wants that. Statehood or bust.

[brucejoel99]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

What part of MARYLAND DOESNT WANT THAT is so hard to understand?

You act as if they care about the right to self-determination, be it MD's or DC's. They don't. If they did, then they'd have to be okay with the possibility of having to accept there being 2 more Democratic Senators, & they'll never be okay with that.

[CookieDamage]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

That would be way more of a power-grab than yall think DC statehood ever would be. The lack of brain cells...

[VAR]

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

[7,052,770]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

It would take a constitutional amendment and might even need to get over the entrenched clause. Practically impossible.

[7,052,770]

So...what is the chance DC get statehood? I say around 20%.

Unless there’s a major counter-offer, it’s going to happen.

HIGHLY doubt it happens.

I wish I hadn't already said 100% so I could raise my percentage in response to this "prediction"

[brucejoel99]

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

The D.C. Voting Rights Amendment being resurrected from the dead & ratified. Short of that, any method which would purport to grant D.C. full congressional representation that's not statehood would be blatantly unconstitutional.

[VAR]

Then, people (blue avatars) should stop overreacting. It's just 2 senators, both of whom will surely be wonderful people. The DC metro area obviously needs more representation in Congress anyway.

[brucejoel99]

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

It would take a constitutional amendment and might even need to get over the entrenched clause. Practically impossible.

I never considered the potential equal suffrage implications, but now that I think about it, yeah, I'm sure some butthurt right-winger would've made a court case about it had the D.C. Voting Rights Amendment ever been ratified.

[It’s so Joever]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

Great, hopefully Democrats start suppressing rural white voters and killing redistricting commissions.
While we are at it, let’s start actually bringing in swarms of illegals to vote (since the GOP wants to accuse of us that anyways lol) and intimidate potential Republicans from voting?
We can play this game, traitor. I know you hate America and are opposed to DC statehood ONLY for partisan reasons.
Also while we are at it, we should end all farm subsidies, push to make California five states, and deliberately tank the economy whenever a Republican is president. “Accidentally” see a bunch of rural precincts shut down a la Georgia, voting purges by Democratic SOSs, and spreading false Election Day/voter practice info among low propensity GOP communities so their ballots are invalid.
Yeah don’t start, OSR.

Your side has been rigging the game for years, if y’all so much as dare clutch a single pathetic Pearl, I sincerely hope the Democrats play scorched Earth.

[emailking]

Depends whether you think equal suffrage means (# of Senators)/(# of states), or the same number of Senators as any other state.

[Not Me, Us]

Is there a way DC gets 2 senators without becoming a state?

Honestly, what's the point. If we give DC all the rights of regular states through the long and difficult process of amending the constitution, why would that be better than just making them a state through reconciliation?

[GALeftist]

Just to second VARepublican, the Senate is hardly a slam dunk for Democrats even with DC statehood. Basically each additional seat means Democrats can lose one additional seat and hang onto the Senate, and that's with the fact that A. PR (or even other territories) aren't guaranteed to be as D as DC, so it might be a wash, B. Democrats have the slimmest possible majority right now, and C. at least Manchin is DOA in 2024 and the only potential pickups are TX and FL, so it's entirely possible that Democrats don't net seats until 2026.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

Great, hopefully Democrats start suppressing rural white voters and killing redistricting commissions.
While we are at it, let’s start actually bringing in swarms of illegals to vote (since the GOP wants to accuse of us that anyways lol) and intimidate potential Republicans from voting?
We can play this game, traitor. I know you hate America and are opposed to DC statehood ONLY for partisan reasons.
Also while we are at it, we should end all farm subsidies, push to make California five states, and deliberately tank the economy whenever a Republican is president. “Accidentally” see a bunch of rural precincts shut down a la Georgia, voting purges by Democratic SOSs, and spreading false Election Day/voter practice info among low propensity GOP communities so their ballots are invalid.
Yeah don’t start, OSR.

Your side has been rigging the game for years, if y’all so much as dare clutch a single pathetic Pearl, I sincerely hope the Democrats play scorched Earth.

The problem with this approach is that it does the Republicans' job for them. It abuses representative government and the rule of law for political power. In the end, it doesn't matter whether they do that or we do that - America is destroyed either way.

This is why I think the GOP can be described as the political equivalent of a murderous suicide bomber. Either we let them destroy America, or they will push the button on destroy it anyway. The only workable course I can see is to hang on and defend democracy as best we can - working with the rule of law and democracy, and hoping that the GOP does not push the button until they have been dis-empowered by losing their voters, or until they come to their senses. (I now consider the latter to be unlikely in the extreme.)   

[OSR stands with Israel]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Just merge Maryland and DC together

Great, hopefully Democrats start suppressing rural white voters and killing redistricting commissions.
While we are at it, let’s start actually bringing in swarms of illegals to vote (since the GOP wants to accuse of us that anyways lol) and intimidate potential Republicans from voting?
We can play this game, traitor. I know you hate America and are opposed to DC statehood ONLY for partisan reasons.
Also while we are at it, we should end all farm subsidies, push to make California five states, and deliberately tank the economy whenever a Republican is president. “Accidentally” see a bunch of rural precincts shut down a la Georgia, voting purges by Democratic SOSs, and spreading false Election Day/voter practice info among low propensity GOP communities so their ballots are invalid.
Yeah don’t start, OSR.

Your side has been rigging the game for years, if y’all so much as dare clutch a single pathetic Pearl, I sincerely hope the Democrats play scorched Earth.

You are extremely unhinged

[OSR stands with Israel]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

It’s called both sides using this as leverage against each other to make sure the other thing doesn’t happen .

[Badger]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

It’s called both sides using this as leverage against each other to make sure the other thing doesn’t happen .

Have you ever heard about this crazy notion of just doing the right thing?

[OSR stands with Israel]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

It’s called both sides using this as leverage against each other to make sure the other thing doesn’t happen .

Have you ever heard about this crazy notion of just doing the right thing?

The right thing is making sure neither thing happen

[brucejoel99]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

It’s called both sides using this as leverage against each other to make sure the other thing doesn’t happen .

Have you ever heard about this crazy notion of just doing the right thing?

The right thing is making sure neither thing happen

In no universe does making sure the people of D.C. remain unrepresented in Congress constitute "the right thing." Jesus.

[Badger]

If DC statehood happens , then Georgia gets Maine ruled , then other things happen .

Why would those things be connected? If Georgia Republicans think that "Maine-ruling" Georgia is in their best interest, they'll do it.

It’s called both sides using this as leverage against each other to make sure the other thing doesn’t happen .

Have you ever heard about this crazy notion of just doing the right thing?

The right thing is making sure neither thing happen

Care to offer even a scintilla of an argument as to why depriving 700,000 taxpayers of congressional representation is "the right thing"?