COVID-19 Megathread 4: Grandma Got Run Over by the Dow Jones

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Governor Cuomo speaking right now (and doing a bang-up job, if I say so myself). 

Not sure if this is an extension or new information, but he reaffirmed that schools and non-essential businesses will remain closed until at least April 29th. 

[Virginiá]

Temporary Burials to Begin for COVID-19 Victims, Possibly in Trenches in NYC Parks: Levine

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nyc-to-start-temporary-burials-for-covid-19-victims-likely-in-trenches-in-nyc-parks-levine/2361777/

New York City will soon need to face the "gruesome reality" of temporary burials, and they could take place in trenches dug in city parks, NYC Council Health Committee chair Mark Levine said in a tweet Monday morning.

Due to the number of dead bodies increasing on a daily basis due to COVID-19, the freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full, Levine said.

This means that the city will probably have to turn to temporary internment in city parks, Levine said. "Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line. It will be done in a dignified, orderly -- and temporary -- manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take," he wrote.

Soon after -- as the tweet gained attention -- the chair added that trenches in parks were only a contingency the city was preparing for. "But if the death rate drops enough it will not be necessary." The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner told NBC 4 it was a scenario in the OCME disaster plan, but not something currently being considered or planned for.

[wbrocks67]

There are now new cases in China, so that should caution anyone that wants to run right back to normal just because there is like a week or two of little to no new cases

New Daily Cases (yesterday)

30 - China
81 - South Korea
120 - Singapore
500 - Japan

China and South Korea numbers are negligible at this late stage.

With strict tracing and isolation protocols, i would rather be in this part of the world during a pandemic.

Japan and Singapore are approaching their highest level after a very slow start.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-06/coronavirus-update-queen-message-us-warning-boris-johnson/12123880

Let's see what they do in the next 2 weeks, because the virus is brewing.

The point is that people thought it was over in China and things could begin to resume back to normal, but that's not the case.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Temporary Burials to Begin for COVID-19 Victims, Possibly in Trenches in NYC Parks: Levine

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nyc-to-start-temporary-burials-for-covid-19-victims-likely-in-trenches-in-nyc-parks-levine/2361777/

New York City will soon need to face the "gruesome reality" of temporary burials, and they could take place in trenches dug in city parks, NYC Council Health Committee chair Mark Levine said in a tweet Monday morning.

Due to the number of dead bodies increasing on a daily basis due to COVID-19, the freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full, Levine said.

This means that the city will probably have to turn to temporary internment in city parks, Levine said. "Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line. It will be done in a dignified, orderly -- and temporary -- manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take," he wrote.

Soon after -- as the tweet gained attention -- the chair added that trenches in parks were only a contingency the city was preparing for. "But if the death rate drops enough it will not be necessary." The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner told NBC 4 it was a scenario in the OCME disaster plan, but not something currently being considered or planned for.

Cuomo said he hadn't heard about this and threw cold water on it.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Turning central park into a graveyard seems like something out of a SciFi movie.  Surely they can find something to do with the bodies that's less damaging to morale?

[PSOL]

Turning central park into a graveyard seems like something out of a SciFi movie.  Surely they can find something to do with the bodies that's less damaging to morale?

Well they could use private facilities, but that would either require paying massive rent to the landlords or possessing the space without paying an insane amount. The former would be unwise during a recession while the latter would be decried as socialism and thus rejected by the handlers of NYC, NY State, the US, and beyond. They’re really stuck in a jar of cowardice.

[Tintrlvr]

Turning central park into a graveyard seems like something out of a SciFi movie.  Surely they can find something to do with the bodies that's less damaging to morale?

Well they could use private facilities, but that would either require paying massive rent to the landlords or possessing the space without paying an insane amount. The former would be unwise during a recession while the latter would be decried as socialism and thus rejected by the handlers of NYC, NY State, the US, and beyond. They’re really stuck in a jar of cowardice.

They'd probably use Hart Island (which is already where unclaimed corpses are buried in NYC) if it came to it. "Burying bodies in parks" is a stupid way to describe that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island_(Bronx)

[PSOL]

Turning central park into a graveyard seems like something out of a SciFi movie.  Surely they can find something to do with the bodies that's less damaging to morale?

Well they could use private facilities, but that would either require paying massive rent to the landlords or possessing the space without paying an insane amount. The former would be unwise during a recession while the latter would be decried as socialism and thus rejected by the handlers of NYC, NY State, the US, and beyond. They’re really stuck in a jar of cowardice.

They'd probably use Hart Island (which is already where unclaimed corpses are buried in NYC) if it came to it. "Burying bodies in parks" is a stupid way to describe that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island_(Bronx)

They probably will in the end, but they’ll be stuck in the same conundrum once the bodies overflow there. I wonder if we could see large cremation operations going underway, with and without consent.

[Tintrlvr]

Turning central park into a graveyard seems like something out of a SciFi movie.  Surely they can find something to do with the bodies that's less damaging to morale?

Well they could use private facilities, but that would either require paying massive rent to the landlords or possessing the space without paying an insane amount. The former would be unwise during a recession while the latter would be decried as socialism and thus rejected by the handlers of NYC, NY State, the US, and beyond. They’re really stuck in a jar of cowardice.

They'd probably use Hart Island (which is already where unclaimed corpses are buried in NYC) if it came to it. "Burying bodies in parks" is a stupid way to describe that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island_(Bronx)

They probably will in the end, but they’ll be stuck in the same conundrum once the bodies overflow there. I wonder if we could see large cremation operations going underway, with and without consent.

There are literally over a million bodies buried on Hart Island, with room for hundreds of thousands if not millions more. There is no possible way they would run out of space there.

[Virginiá]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1246481679910404096

[HagridOfTheDeep]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1246481679910404096

Honestly, this is the only reason Trump decided to begin taking this whole thing marginally seriously.

[Storr]

We're over 10,000 US deaths.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[Devout Centrist]

Penn Quaker Girl assured me that mathematically we can assume that 10,000+ will die AT MINIMUM. She studies / works with epidemics so I respect her advice regarding COV-19.

Quoted for posterity.

Let's check back on that prediction in 2 months time in the USA, and see how the logic of your argument unfolds.

You have 9,907 deaths remaining.

[Dr. Arch]

Penn Quaker Girl assured me that mathematically we can assume that 10,000+ will die AT MINIMUM. She studies / works with epidemics so I respect her advice regarding COV-19.

Quoted for posterity.

Let's check back on that prediction in 2 months time in the USA, and see how the logic of your argument unfolds.

You have 9,907 deaths remaining.

😒

[GeorgiaModerate]

Penn Quaker Girl assured me that mathematically we can assume that 10,000+ will die AT MINIMUM. She studies / works with epidemics so I respect her advice regarding COV-19.

Quoted for posterity.

Let's check back on that prediction in 2 months time in the USA, and see how the logic of your argument unfolds.

You have 9,907 deaths remaining.

It took 20 days.

[rob in cal]

   Any one have thoughts about what states might become the next NYC/NJ area, not in terms of total deaths of course, but in per capita terms?  For the worst case scenario overall to play out this will need to start happening. I'm cautiously optimistic that thats not occuring. In Louisiana for instance deaths have been in the mid two figures for many days now, and the rise in ventilators, at least according to the state wide website is unfortunatly going up every day, but not by alot.
   Michigan is also concerning, but I wonder if deaths there are plateauing or if its a false calm.
On the whole I'm starting to lean more optimistic overall that we are heading for the lower side of deaths due to the virus.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

   Any one have thoughts about what states might become the next NYC/NJ area, not in terms of total deaths of course, but in per capita terms?  For the worst case scenario overall to play out this will need to start happening. I'm cautiously optimistic that thats not occuring. In Louisiana for instance deaths have been in the mid two figures for many days now, and the rise in ventilators, at least according to the state wide website is unfortunatly going up every day, but not by alot.
   Michigan is also concerning, but I wonder if deaths there are plateauing or if its a false calm.
On the whole I'm starting to lean more optimistic overall that we are heading for the lower side of deaths due to the virus.

CA, OH, VA.

[Torrain]

Temporary Burials to Begin for COVID-19 Victims, Possibly in Trenches in NYC Parks: Levine

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/nyc-to-start-temporary-burials-for-covid-19-victims-likely-in-trenches-in-nyc-parks-levine/2361777/

New York City will soon need to face the "gruesome reality" of temporary burials, and they could take place in trenches dug in city parks, NYC Council Health Committee chair Mark Levine said in a tweet Monday morning.

Due to the number of dead bodies increasing on a daily basis due to COVID-19, the freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full, Levine said.

This means that the city will probably have to turn to temporary internment in city parks, Levine said. "Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line. It will be done in a dignified, orderly -- and temporary -- manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take," he wrote.

Soon after -- as the tweet gained attention -- the chair added that trenches in parks were only a contingency the city was preparing for. "But if the death rate drops enough it will not be necessary." The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner told NBC 4 it was a scenario in the OCME disaster plan, but not something currently being considered or planned for.

Mass graves in New York City.

If this doesn't drive home how dire this is, then I don't know what will. I'm numb just thinking about it.

[GeneralMacArthur]

   Any one have thoughts about what states might become the next NYC/NJ area, not in terms of total deaths of course, but in per capita terms?  For the worst case scenario overall to play out this will need to start happening. I'm cautiously optimistic that thats not occuring. In Louisiana for instance deaths have been in the mid two figures for many days now, and the rise in ventilators, at least according to the state wide website is unfortunatly going up every day, but not by alot.
   Michigan is also concerning, but I wonder if deaths there are plateauing or if its a false calm.
On the whole I'm starting to lean more optimistic overall that we are heading for the lower side of deaths due to the virus.

Florida.  They haven't been taking it seriously at all and there's a high elderly population.  Outside of the greater NYC area, they're already 5th in cases behind WA, CA, LA, MI.  They had 1,000 new cases yesterday and their testing situation is totally inadequate.

[BlueSwan]

Across the Atlantic, the danish prime minister has just announced that starting in the middle of next week Denmark will start a very slow and very gradual reopening of society. On the other hand she also announced that large gatherings are prohibited until at least august so all music festivals are cancelled.  The first part of the opening regards child daycare, kindergartens and the smallest schoolchildren. The reasoning behind this is that small kids are the most safe from the virus and that care of smaller children will allow for some parents to return to work where it is safe.

I am a high scool teacher and we will continue to do online teaching until at least may 10th and realistically for the rest of the school year. Exams will happen for seniors, but the circumstances are yet to be decided.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAgeofShoddy/status/1247111328675717120

Too pessimistic.

People will get other jobs again, or ... if their former companies did not go broke - they will get hired again.

Permanent >20% unemployment or whatever does strike me as doomsaying, but considering that we've already in the recent past had a crisis following which millions of mostly-younger people got stuck in really bad jobs and thankless careers with no room for advancement while the already-wealthy cried all the way to the bank, I don't think it's "pessimistic" to suggest that the same dynamic might play out here.

[GP270watch]

The Murray model has finally updated...and it looks good for America but bad for the "doom and gloomers".  The peak is now expected to come by mid-April, but the bigger news is that the death projections were revised down to 81K and that widespread hospital bed shortages are no longer expected.  The curves also look like things will be pretty much back to normal by May 1.

  These projections are exactly what was predicted if people started following social distancing guidelines. I posted that the projection for the peak was April 15th, a week ago. The point of extreme social distancing and shelter in place was so we wouldn't have a bed and ventilator shortage because the virus was not spreading as quickly.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=365781.msg7267724#msg7267724


 

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604
Coronavirus: Boris Johnson moved to intensive care
Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved to intensive care in hospital after his coronavirus symptoms worsened, Downing Street has said.
BoJo...

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1247241845387735043

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab is now acting-PM.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Here's hoping BoJo pulls through.