UK General Discussion

[afleitch]

Mwahaha!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325679/Nigel-Farage-bundled-police-van-barricaded-inside-pub-going-promote-Scottish-election-candidate.html

God bless Scotland.

I thought it was England who had the hooligans, not the Scots.  Or is that only in football since there isn't anything to get excited about in Socttish football.

Scottish football is probably worse when it comes to fans, mainly due to the healthy combination of sectarianism and alcohol.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/8682649/Police-investigate-after-three-fans-arrested-at-Rangers-v-Celtic-youth-cup-final
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/the-atmosphere-was-frightening-celtic-apologise-for-fans-behaviour-at-dens-1.62792

Scottish football is noticed for it's lack of violence especially at the international level. We also don't have a soccer casuals problems. I lived near Celtic Park for 3 years on the route that fans took to and from the stadium and never saw anything violent during Old Firm games. The incident at the youth cup final, the first time in a year since Celtic and Rangers faced each other in any form and at the Dens was very much the exception. The best way of stopping little sh-ts from ruining games are the fans themselves. There's also a ban on alcohol at stadiums and a street drinking ban has been in force for over a decade.

[bore]

Mwahaha!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325679/Nigel-Farage-bundled-police-van-barricaded-inside-pub-going-promote-Scottish-election-candidate.html

God bless Scotland.

I thought it was England who had the hooligans, not the Scots.  Or is that only in football since there isn't anything to get excited about in Socttish football.

Scottish football is probably worse when it comes to fans, mainly due to the healthy combination of sectarianism and alcohol.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11787/8682649/Police-investigate-after-three-fans-arrested-at-Rangers-v-Celtic-youth-cup-final
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/the-atmosphere-was-frightening-celtic-apologise-for-fans-behaviour-at-dens-1.62792

Scottish football is noticed for it's lack of violence especially at the international level. We also don't have a soccer casuals problems. I lived near Celtic Park for 3 years on the route that fans took to and from the stadium and never saw anything violent during Old Firm games. The incident at the youth cup final, the first time in a year since Celtic and Rangers faced each other in any form and at the Dens was very much the exception. The best way of stopping little sh-ts from ruining games are the fans themselves. There's also a ban on alcohol at stadiums and a street drinking ban has been in force for over a decade.

It's true that the Tartan Army is generally well behaved and clearly things are better than they were but, especially with the Old (although its really only a one year rivalry) firm, Scottish football has a clear problem. The youth and the Dundee games are not just isolated examples, you've got, for example the UEFA cup final in Manchester as well as charming statistics like these- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-14978841.

With regards to you living on the route to and from Celtic park, are you sure it wasn't due to segregation? Whenever Hibs play Hearts or Celtic the police put up a barricade for half an hour over a part of the exit to the stadium to stop fans meeting.

[minionofmidas]

There's also a ban on alcohol at stadiums and a street drinking ban has been in force for over a decade.

this should tell you everything you need to know about the severity of the problem.

[YL]

The YouGov polls carried out since the local election results:

Yesterday's: Lab 39 Con 29 UKIP 16 LD 9
Today's: Lab 38 Con 27 UKIP 17 LD 11

These are the highest UKIP scores in YouGov polls.  I suspect we may see a 20% for them in Opinium or Survation's next effort.

... and indeed Opinium have come out with Lab 37 Con 27 UKIP 20 LD 7.

[Leftbehind]

lol nearly 55% for turbo neoliberalism, and I'm not even sure if I'm right to exclude Labour from it, given they look set to adopt near enough all the coalitions reforms as their own anyway. Has anyone actually exposed some of UKIP's policies, other than the fairly popular anti-EU and immigration well-known ones? Should I expect them to be? Well at least there's a chance we can get PR from this, and it'd be particularly appropriate if delivered by their own incompetency.

[afleitch]

Sunday Times poll suggesting close to 50/50 split for independence if there's an early vote on leaving the EU

[Leftbehind]

Sunday Times poll suggesting close to 50/50 split for independence if there's an early vote on leaving the EU

More like 55/45, and that's one of the better figures for EU (although a lot could change within a referendum debate: see AV ).

[politicus]

Sunday Times poll suggesting close to 50/50 split for independence if there's an early vote on leaving the EU

More like 55/45, and that's one of the better figures for EU (although a lot could change within a referendum debate: see AV ).

I think he was talking about Scottish independence.

[Leftbehind]

Well that's what I though, too, but there's no Independence-related question, let alone figures in the Sunday Times tables.

Nevermind, found what he was talking about. YouGov is usually synonymous with Sunday Times, have to say I've never heard of Panelbase?

It'd be hilarious if the Scots voted Independence on the threat that UK were leaving the EU.

[politicus]

Recent polling shows men are now twice as likely to support Scottish independence.

Professor John Curtice from Strathclyde University:

“Women are less likely to say they feel confident about independence. Saying I want to stand on my own two feet, why do we need the English has potentially something of a macho tone to it.

Testosterone makes a difference here. Men are more willing to be a little gung ho. In so far as independence is a bit of a leap in the dark, they are more willing to take it.”

Sounds like an overly simplistic explanation to me. Is it really that simple?

[Leftbehind]

John Curtice is usually good for commentary, but yeah that sounds pretty suspect. On a UK level women seem to have less conviction (consistently more d/k's) and default towards conservatism (not necessarily right-wing, just status quo) moreso than men.

[afleitch]

Winning women is the key to winning the independence argument. It's the Yes campaigns 'final push' next year but I'll not talk much more about that. The UKIP thing has been a bonus; Euroskepticism reeks of 'English nationalism' more than just about any other issue and it turns off voters north of the border.

[politicus]

Winning women is the key to winning the independence argument. It's the Yes campaigns 'final push' next year but I'll not talk much more about that.

It was just an observaton of an interesting development, not a question directed to you in particular.

[You kip if you want to...]

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http://www.politicshome.com/uk/story/34889/

[afleitch]

Winning women is the key to winning the independence argument. It's the Yes campaigns 'final push' next year but I'll not talk much more about that.

It was just an observaton of an interesting development, not a question directed to you in particular.

I know. Surely there's no harm in commenting though? There's always been a disconnect, even in good polls for us, between the genders. The social aspects of the debate haven't been fully discussed as it's a bit of an economics tit for tat. There's a hope we can focus on that next year.

[You kip if you want to...]

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/05/19/what-focus-groups-say-about-ed-miliband/

Interesting.

[YL]

Survation poll: Lab 35 Con 24 UKIP 22 LD 11.

LOL

[Phony Moderate]

Survation poll:

Lab - 35%
Con - 24% (-5)
UKIP - 22% (+6)
Lib Dems - 11%

According to Electoral Calculus, UKIP would actually win a seat on this (Camborne and Redruth apparently).... Survation is not the most experienced pollster though.

[You kip if you want to...]

Survation poll:

Lab - 35%
Con - 24% (-5)
UKIP - 22% (+6)
Lib Dems - 11%

According to Electoral Calculus, UKIP would actually win a seat on this (Camborne and Redruth apparently).... Survation is not the most experienced pollster though.

[You kip if you want to...]

The PM's sent out this email to all members. Christ, he's worried.

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[LastVoter]

Let's Just hope UKIP doesn't follow BC conservative footsteps, and Labour doesn't end up being BC NDP on election night.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't think you understand: the BC NDP copied us.

[afleitch]

Tim Loughton's wrecking amendment was defeated by a majority of 305.

[CatoMinor]

Survation poll:

Lab - 35%
Con - 24% (-5)
UKIP - 22% (+6)
Lib Dems - 11%

According to Electoral Calculus, UKIP would actually win a seat on this (Camborne and Redruth apparently).... Survation is not the most experienced pollster though.

Somewhere in England, Nigel Farage is smiling.

[Dr. Cynic]

According to the last YouGov poll and the seat Calculator, Labour would have a majority of 116 and the LibDems would be down to the same levels they had after the 1987 Election when they were the SDP-Liberal Alliance.

The following LibDems would lose their seats:

Robert Smith
Alan Reid
Simon Hughes
John Hemming
Alan Beith
David Ward
Sarah Teather
Stephen Williams
Gordon Birtwistle
John Thurso
Julian Huppert
Jenny Willott
Mark Hunter
Duncan Hames
Dan Rogerson
Annette Brooke
Jo Swinson
Stephen Lloyd
Mike Thornton
Michael Crockart
Ming Campbell
Malcolm Bruce
Lynne Featherstone
Danny Alexander
Greg Mulholland
John Leech
Simon Wright
Ian Swales
Lorely Burt
David Heath
Stephen Gilbert
Andrew George
Paul Burstow
Jeremy Browne
Tessa Munt

That would be quite a brutal massacre.