The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

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OSR being in agreement with Jordan Shanks is proof that horseshoe theory is real.

I mean using the military to enforce these types of lockdowns:

- Nobody allowed to leave more than 5 km from their house

- Only allowed 1-2 hour outside of your house period for exercise

- Not allowed to have any visitors in your home

Plus cops are now going door to door asking people if they heard about any protests


Seems like a quasi-police state at this point

Also the fact that they're not even allowing their own citizens to come back in, which is a blatant human rights violation. Everyone just needs to accept that COVID will not be eradicated like smallpox or polio.

Ahem: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56924188
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/07/04/1010891117/aussies-stranded-abroad-include-hundreds-of-kids-folks-short-on-cash
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/australians-stuck-abroad-covid/index.html

Yes I'm aware, I'm saying it's absurd that you're calling this a human rights violation.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/05/un-raises-serious-human-rights-concerns-over-australia-india-travel-ban?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1620175474

This article is over 4 months old, also it said it would be reconsidered on May 15, and nothing happened. I’m sad to see you doing this, I thought you were different from other Republicans, but now I’m convinced that that’s not the case.

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I actually kind of think we should implement a ban on face masks (with exceptions for religious belief) outside of medical facilities once we get back to early summer numbers.  As long as we see even a minority of people in masks, some people aren't going to psychologically be ready for normalcy.

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Do you ever exaggerate your level of support for Trump for effect on Atlas or is it an accurate reflection of the degree/vehemence with which you support him?  Semi-relatedly, do his more authoritarian actions ever give you any pause, setting aside your opinion of Democratic politicians/policies?

The second question first:  I don't view Trump as authoritarian.  We have authoritarianism now, imposed on us by the Politburo of Vichy America, with our own Marshal Petain as a Front Man.  Yes, this is an exaggeration, but not as much as it ought to be.  Trump, ironically, was a bulwark against the kind of authoritarianism we have now; his blustery side and the fact that he is, indeed, a blowhard at times, masks the fact that Trump did not govern by Executive Orders and Edicts anywhere near the degree to which our present President does.  (Once people get over their Trump Fever and are able to see him in a more rational light, this fact will stand out.)

The first question is a question I could go on at lengths about.  What I will say is this:  I vehemently support Trump because he vehemently opposes the forces of Wokeness in America.  I consider Wokeness to be a scourge on the Republic and an affront to what you and I would consider to be liberal principles.  

The lawful citizen over the illegal alien.  Free Speech vs Punishing Thoughtcrime.  Equal application of law vs. non-prosecution of BLM/Antifa and violations of the 8th Amendment for J6ers.  Support for Israel vs. Jew Hating disguised as "anti-Zionism".  Merit-based equality vs. group-identity based equity.  Constitutional Liberties vs. the Tyrrany of the Majority (however narrow).  These are just some of the dichotomies I could use to illustrate the divide between what I view as good and right and what I view as an evil and corroding thread that would dissolve the Nation we know and reform it into a Leftist Dystopia I (and, hopefully, yourself) would never choose to live in, but might be stuck with.

These are the choices right now.  They are clear and stark. On all of those, Trump is on the right side.  On all of those, Joe Biden and the present group of Democrats are on the side of New Dystopia.

If the choice is Trump or the Democrats, I will stand with Trump.  I will select Trump in the ballot box.  I will advocate him when I engage in political discussions.  I will do so because I wish to stop the onslaught of Wokeness that will result in the loss of individual liberty and the imposition of the kind of group identity-based politics that is the stuff of failed states.  It's a time for choosing, and in my mind, the choice on who is right and who is wrong on these issues is clear.  I didn't see the World in such dichotomous terms in 2016 and I would like to see a day when I don't see it in these terms because my actual issue positions are not the standard set of either party.  

I hope this makes some sense.  I don't support Trump blindly.  He's not my God (no matter what John Dule may say in his anti-religious ignorance) and I'm not sure how I feel about 2024 because I want the IDEAS of Trump (as opposed to the ideas that are operative in government right now) to be advanced (if I have to choose between 2 sets of ideas).  But I am watching my Country go mad, and it's going mad from the Left.  There is nothing "liberal" about our present government, but there is a lot that is authoritarian, and that's being kind.

I know Fuzzy is low hanging fruit, but still

Another one as a bonus:

Why did you make the claim that “The January 6th commission is unconstitutional”? What did you mean by this, and do you have a legal argument to back that up?

It is not the function either House of Congress to enforce the law.  That function is given to the President and done through the DOJ, under our Constitution.

Congress can investigate through its committees, but such an investigation is supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry relevant to specific pending legislation.  This committee, on its face, is not putting forth any specific legislation.  It is a purely political exercise, as evidenced by the Speaker taking the unusual step of vetoing the Republicans' choices for the committee.  It's existence not only not tied to any specific legislative purpose, its existence and the way it is conducted jeopardizes the rights of a number of J6 defendants to a fair trial.

Now I'll be honest:  You don't care about the Constitutionality of this committee and its functioning.  You want it because it's a Kangaroo Court that will "officially" endorse a narrative that, in many instatnces, will be in conflict with facts.  This is all about narrative; it's not about legitimate fact-finding.  Legitimate fact-finding is supposed to be the function of an unbiased DOJ.

I notice that no one here makes arguments as to why it IS Constitutional.  I suppose there are arguments to that effect, but no one makes them.  It's like the idea that the Hunter Biden story was "debunked" in 2020.  Debunked by who?  The MSM?  That's an assertion.  It's not a fact, not by a longshot.

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Why was my comment saying “The real question is whether Chesterfield flips to the Traitors” modded?

Chesterfield definitely could flip, it’s not a hyperbole to say it could.

Apparently calling Republicans traitors is an infraction worthy offense. Not that it should be infraction worthy to state facts.

It is not a fact.  It is slander to many of us.  It ought to be unacceptable. 

I'm sorry, which party orchestrated and participated in a coup on 1/6? It wasn't my party. It was yours.

It wasn't a coup.  It wasn't an insurrection.  You know that well. 

Name one person involved who has been charged with Sedition or Treason.  Name one.  Lots of people have been charged.  Name one.

Now if we want to talk about insurrections, let's talk about BLM's invading and burning down a police precinct in Minneapolis.

These acts are wrong, and the perpetrators should be punished.  But to say Trump incited a riot (let alone an insurrection) is nonsense.  You need that narrative to win in 2022 and beyond, however, so I'm not sure we'll see an influx of reason from you.

One thing is for sure.  Every time you refer to a Republican poster as a traitor I will report your post.  If you don't stop, I will do everything I can to marshal support to see you are banned from the site.  This is a political website where people have sharp disagreements.  I hope the moderators here have the courage to keep this Neo-McCarthyism from this site.

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Wait isn’t a genie supposed to give you a bad part of a deal as well?

I once had a scenario with absolutely no downside at all. It was that a beautiful female genie offered you a deal where Trump would go to jail for the rest of his life and would never be able to run for public office or publicly influence opinion ever again. However for the rest of Trump's life to keep this going, you would have to lick her feet every day.

...there's absolutely nothing remotely bad in that deal at all and people still didn't want to take it!

such a weirdo

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Her skin color is her insurance coverage.

check thread for context

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Her skin color is her insurance coverage.

check thread for context

lmao

Thanks for posting into the thread!

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Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

what do you mean by true fascism? Benito Mussolini was literally the founder of the ideology.

Benito Mussolini is in heaven.

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Pandemic has been over. But covid will not be let go as a political weapon, the campaign to make Americans let go and eventually forget about the basic liberties that were intact in 2019 is not going to let up between now and 2022 or 2024 for that matter.

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Pandemic has been over. But covid will not be let go as a political weapon, the campaign to make Americans let go and eventually forget about the basic liberties that were intact in 2019 is not going to let up between now and 2022 or 2024 for that matter.

That S019 would find this absurd speaks to his views on basic freedoms.

"basic"

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literally every mainstream person accepts neoliberal reforms.

They literally do though? These reforms were implemented across the world by both left wing and right wing governments, because they helped revitalize the economy which was quite stagnant in the 1970s. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

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literally every mainstream person accepts neoliberal reforms.

They literally do though?

That's a statement, not a question.

The question mark is added for emphasis, it describes my incredulity at someone actually saying that mainstream people do not accept neoliberal reforms.

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literally every mainstream person accepts neoliberal reforms.

They literally do though? These reforms were implemented across the world by both left wing and right wing governments, because they helped revitalize the economy which was quite stagnant in the 1970s. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.

The economy goes in cycles that governments don’t control, “neoliberal” or not.

The point is not that, the point is that these reforms worked and surely accelerated the pace of economic growth. Sure, the economy will recover eventually, but generally faster recovery is preferred, given long-term economic stagnation is not a good thing, so doing nothing and just letting it recover over a long period of time is not really an option. I agree that the government doesn't control the economy, this does not mean the government cannot take actions to stimulate the economy when it is doing poorly. These reforms were designed to do just that, stimulate the economy and they worked. Sure, neoliberalism is not the economic theory that most mainstream economists adhere to now, if that was the argument, then you would be right, but that is not the argument. Rather, the argument is simply whether or not these reforms worked and whether or not they were accepted, and both of those things are true.

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Masks are a symbol.  A powerful one.  When the populace sees a mask mandate, they know the government is "doing something" and taking their health seriously.  The mandates work exactly as intended.

So masks are apparently now merely a symbol, nope they don't protect you or anything. Oh, forgive me for preaching such radical nonsense, instead they merely make you think you're protected. Oh, if that sounds like a bunch of drivel, it's because the post above me is indeed nonsensical drivel, thus it belongs in this thread.

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Last thing I'll say before bowing out is that it's very heartening to see the forum community united in favor of rationality over psychosis. I think just about everyone on here opposed to further COVID restrictions has this viewpoint not only due to selfishness but also due to a preponderance of concern for those affected by the economic cost of further restrictions and, also, the psychic burden of those restrictions. Above all, I think everyone here is disgusted by the massive damage done to children in the name of slowing the spread. This seems to mostly transcend ideology. It seems that we've found some kind of consensus that can unite socialists with liberals, reactionaries and libertarians!

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Isn't the answer obvious, it's West Virginia. As IceSpear used to say "it's full of rural, racist hicks."

There is nothing absurd or ignorant about this post.

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Isn't the answer obvious, it's West Virginia. As IceSpear used to say "it's full of rural, racist hicks."

There is nothing absurd or ignorant about this post.

I do wonder what happened to IceSpear. He hasn't posted since April 2020.

Sometimes it's best not to question why good things happen.

IceSpear leaving was not good.

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Not sure why Scott Morrison wasn't included. Many countries have experienced democratic backsliding but Australia has easily been the worst. Voted "other". Austria and Israel (which, at least, seems to be changing course now) are two particularly bad cases out of a whole lot of other countries (including my own) that failed this democratic stress test.

HP for locking up her country for 1 COVID case out of 5 million people

Conservatives seem to have brainworms whenever they open their mouth about COVID.

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Not sure why Scott Morrison wasn't included. Many countries have experienced democratic backsliding but Australia has easily been the worst. Voted "other". Austria and Israel (which, at least, seems to be changing course now) are two particularly bad cases out of a whole lot of other countries (including my own) that failed this democratic stress test.

HP for locking up her country for 1 COVID case out of 5 million people

Conservatives seem to have brainworms whenever they open their mouth about COVID.

That actually happened though

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-zealand-lockdown-one-covid-case/

"locking up her country," seems to imply that you think she's imprisoning them or something, that's the brainworms moment. You are, for whatever reason, unable to distinguish between imprisonment and measures to ensure public health. Also you may hate her, but her strategy kept cases very low and also kept deaths very, very low (a total of 52 deaths). She clearly handled it far better than your idol for sure.

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Bye-bye democracy, I'll miss you.

Well it's clear democracy has been redefined as simply Democrats winning and getting everything they want.

The truth is, most of the left hates democracy. They have contempt for regular people and think they're too stupid to make decisions for themselves. This can be seen on this forum all the time, including a thread where most Democrats are in favor of abolishing midterms because they're too inconvenient. Most of the left after the 2020 election, was slightly relieved but very distraught at just how many people chose to vote Republican after such vitriolic and hyperbolic propaganda that shamed anybody who even thought about voting for him. They clearly think half this country is irredeemable, so why continue this song and dance about how much they love democracy? They love centralized power and they love winning. The only thing that is actually giving the Republican Party a chance in this country is democracy. If it were up to institutions and oligarchs, the current Republican Party would be vastly overwhelmed and defeated, as it "should have been" in 2020.

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I believe the Biblical account of Creation, the Global Flood, and the age of the Earth.  I also believe that scientific evidence supports a ~6000 year old Earth if only they would consider the impacts of the Flood.

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While this is obviously GREAT news, pray that the 5 Supreme Court justices in the pro-life majority remain strong until the verdict is official. Pray for the state governments around the country that will determine abortion laws in every state.

Pray for the hearts and minds of every person in this nation. Pray that the Church will be able to continue to stand for both unborn babies and mothers with love, Truth, and compassion!

But, most of all, I'm so happy that I literally just cried. I've been waiting for this day since January 2008 (when I first heard of abortion) and sometimes wondered if it would ever come!!

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Jesus Christ, just say "people". "Birthing bodies" appeals to no one.

Or just say women.

This isn’t the simple truths thread

It isn't a simple truth for the reasons that Ferguson said in that thread.

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Lol no

To be fair you sported an R-VA avatar and had the display name "Clinton-Kaine-Northam-Warner-Biden voter for Youngkin" for a long time. Soo...you're probably in that group of posters who likes MT's memes.

Also that name looks REALLY stupid now after Youngkin's victory. It's the circle jerking about how inevitable Matt Bevin was all over again.

Yeah that too. In fairness S019 changed his name from that before the election, and I'm hardly one to talk given my own bold predictions about a decent-margin McAuliffe win, but it's kind of an embarrassing name now nonetheless.

Honestly the reason I think those avatar/name/sig combos need to be banned is not just that they're incredibly annoying* but they actually degrade discourse here and create a sort of groupthink. Once that prediction is splattered in every single post someone makes it creates the look of a consensus and people don't want to challenge it. We saw this with KY-GOV, at first the forum was pretty split with many pointing out Bevin was likely vulnerable with his numbers being that bad but then once IceSpear put on his "TITANIUM SAFE R TROLOLOLOL" schtick the discussion just devolved into people circle jerking about whether Bevin would win by double digits or not. Anyone who ran against the hive mind was bullied relentlessly and then when it turned out to be a really wrong prediction...oh well everyone was wrong anyway! And then the themed avatars/names/sigs all vanished.

Really the sort of predictions made by them regularly turn out wrong, the last two examples are very prominent but there also was one in 2020 mocking the idea that Hispanics in Florida would swing R. And then that happened! Although largely forgotten because forum backlash forced the user to drop it.

MT Treasurer's are the most annoying though because they often mock things that he just made up to mock like that recent one about incumbents. But really it's the people who inexplicably think they're hilarious who are the real lame ones here.

*This is subjective of course but every time they flare up it seems a solid majority of the forum agrees and argued against them and there's a big messy fight about them, but the people doing them dig in and argue they're necessary because Chris Cillizza said something stupid or something.

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Lol no

To be fair you sported an R-VA avatar and had the display name "Clinton-Kaine-Northam-Warner-Biden voter for Youngkin" for a long time. Soo...you're probably in that group of posters who likes MT's memes.

Also that name looks REALLY stupid now after Youngkin's victory. It's the circle jerking about how inevitable Matt Bevin was all over again.

Yeah that too. In fairness S019 changed his name from that before the election, and I'm hardly one to talk given my own bold predictions about a decent-margin McAuliffe win, but it's kind of an embarrassing name now nonetheless.

Honestly the reason I think those avatar/name/sig combos need to be banned is not just that they're incredibly annoying* but they actually degrade discourse here and create a sort of groupthink. Once that prediction is splattered in every single post someone makes it creates the look of a consensus and people don't want to challenge it. We saw this with KY-GOV, at first the forum was pretty split with many pointing out Bevin was likely vulnerable with his numbers being that bad but then once IceSpear put on his "TITANIUM SAFE R TROLOLOLOL" schtick the discussion just devolved into people circle jerking about whether Bevin would win by double digits or not. Anyone who ran against the hive mind was bullied relentlessly and then when it turned out to be a really wrong prediction...oh well everyone was wrong anyway! And then the themed avatars/names/sigs all vanished.

Really the sort of predictions made by them regularly turn out wrong, the last two examples are very prominent but there also was one in 2020 mocking the idea that Hispanics in Florida would swing R. And then that happened! Although largely forgotten because forum backlash forced the user to drop it.

MT Treasurer's are the most annoying though because they often mock things that he just made up to mock like that recent one about incumbents. But really it's the people who inexplicably think they're hilarious who are the real lame ones here.

*This is subjective of course but every time they flare up it seems a solid majority of the forum agrees and argued against them and there's a big messy fight about them, but the people doing them dig in and argue they're necessary because Chris Cillizza said something stupid or something.

Not an argument, also it’s really hilarious how all of these people live in your head rent free and you can’t tolerate your posts being posted here.