The Terrifying Future of the American Right

[jojoju1998]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Somehow Paid Family Leave, and Universal Pre K is socialist.

And related to Mao.

What a country we live in.

[BG-NY]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

Why is fascism necessarily a bad thing? Just because there have been awful fascists like Hitler and Mussolini, doesn’t mean that all fascists are bad. Socialism has been rehabilitated as an ideology, despite Stalin and Mao.

If one is fine to include within the overton window, so is the other.

I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Somehow Paid Family Leave, and Universal Pre K is socialist.

And related to Mao.

What a country we live in.

Those are all good things that I support. But they are clearly socialist.

[BG-NY]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Opposing fascism because bad people embraced it is like opposing the end to slavery because bad people support it. Bad people can support good things, and not all things that bad people support are bad.

[Ferguson97]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Somehow Paid Family Leave, and Universal Pre K is socialist.

And related to Mao.

What a country we live in.

Those are all good things that I support. But they are clearly socialist.

Please define socialism for the class.

[BG-NY]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Somehow Paid Family Leave, and Universal Pre K is socialist.

And related to Mao.

What a country we live in.

Those are all good things that I support. But they are clearly socialist.

Please define socialism for the class.

All redistributive policies are at least somewhat socialist.

[Person Man]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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What exactly would "good fascism" entail, pray tell?

I’ll make it easier. How can fascism help me?

[Badger]

I mean yeah. The Republican party is not even conservative anymore in the Classical Sense. Conservativism in the Classical sense, means to protect the insitutions that we all hold dear, unity, order, stability.

But now the Republican party thinks the insitutions are too corrupt and " Woke " to be preserved and protected. And that's bad folks. Very bad.

It's a Counter revolutionary movement. A reactionary movement.

 Do you view Reagan/Thatcher as conservatives in the classical sense given they wanted to deconstruct the existing  bureaucratic state .

 A combination of that and outright reactionaries for wanting to return to 1920's level taxation and deregulation peris deregulation.

[S019]

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

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I vehemently oppose the rehabilitation of the socialist and communist ideologies - and I'm talking about actual socialism, not "the government doing stuff"...

Anyone who praises Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini - is a damn fool and a danger to our political system.

Somehow Paid Family Leave, and Universal Pre K is socialist.

And related to Mao.

What a country we live in.

Those are all good things that I support. But they are clearly socialist.

Oh come on, even I don't have this strong socialist delusion syndrome lol. Socialism does not involve simply building a welfare state it involves collectivization (or nationalization) of the means of production, which in modern parlance would be major industries. Universal Pre K is not socialist, what would be socialist would be a government run nationalized education program with no private sector education at all.

The people in here crying about fascism deserve real fascism.

There has been a disturbing rise on brazen fascists like yourself on Atlas. I wonder what's bringing you creeps here.

Why is fascism necessarily a bad thing? Just because there have been awful fascists like Hitler and Mussolini, doesn’t mean that all fascists are bad. Socialism has been rehabilitated as an ideology, despite Stalin and Mao.

If one is fine to include within the overton window, so is the other.

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

[fhtagn]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

[S019]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

[Frodo]

If authoritarian illiberalism is the future that the right (and the Republican Party by extension) has in store for the United States, then we can hardly frame a Cold War against China as some sort of great and titanic conflict between liberal democracy and autocracy, now can we?  Not if you have lost faith in democracy and classical liberalism here at home as they clearly have. In which case I can only conclude this is solely a cynical realpolitik move to keep a rising Great Power down with no redeeming features to it, or this is basically a race war on a global scale.  Neither of which I want anything to do with.    

[BG-NY]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

[Frodo]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

Just like 'true communism' hasn't been tried before either because no real-life examples have ever 'done it right'...   

I have heard this argument before, and it is bollocks. 

[Person Man]

If authoritarian illiberalism is the future that the right (and the Republican Party by extension) has in store for the United States, then we can hardly frame a Cold War against China as some sort of great and titanic conflict between liberal democracy and autocracy, now can we?  Not if you have lost faith in democracy and classical liberalism here at home as they clearly have.   In which case I can only conclude this is solely a cynical realpolitik move to keep a rising Great Power down with no redeeming features to it, or this is basically a race war on a global scale.  Neither of which I want anything to do with.  

I’ve been saying this since 2017. This type of future isn’t really a future. In a way, it’s sort of liberating. It put you in a position to bargain.  Once the American right, amongst others,  have decided they must not only stand out from their broader civilization but actually try to destroy it, there is no reason for any smart, rationally self-interested, and ambitious member of their society  to be loyal to them because they’re the “good guys”. They will have to compete for the hearts and minds of the people from a level playing field with the Chinese/Communists.

This is truly a future where it will be decided whether a giant douche or turd sandwich will rule the world. I don’t think I am the only one who is going to be asking “what’s in it for me?” and pledging my support to those who can provide better security and opportunities for my family.

If you can’t choose between right and wrong, you should at least be able to choose between good and bad in a Classical Greek sense.

[Utah Neolib]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

what do you mean by true fascism? Benito Mussolini was literally the founder of the ideology.

Benito Mussolini is in heaven.

What

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

what do you mean by true fascism? Benito Mussolini was literally the founder of the ideology.

Benito Mussolini is in heaven.

What

fhtagn explained this further down in the thread. She's basing this on a recently-beatified Italian Catholic mystic's claim that Mussolini appeared to her in 1949ish to inform her that he was having a hard go of it in purgatory and ask her to pray for him. She did so and claims that he made it out two years later.

Needless to say, only in the motivated reasoning of clericofascists like fhtagn is "he was going to do hard time in purgatory before a beata took it upon herself to pray for him for years straight" an argument in somebody's favor.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Oh goodness, is this the part where we get "But ummm Francisco Franco was good actually?"

yes

well thanks for confirming that you're not just a bigot, but also fascist, really great night you're having, huh. Anyways I asked for BG-NY's opinion, not yours, so I will ignore all further replies of yours.

True fascism hasn’t yet been tried tbh.

what do you mean by true fascism? Benito Mussolini was literally the founder of the ideology.

Benito Mussolini is in heaven.

You are aware that he was an atheist and thus did not seek any repentance of his obvious sins much less going to confession before his death? That means he would not be per Catholic doctrine.

You're not going to convince her, she's convinced that some random lady is evidence.

"some random lady"

literally beatified in the Catholic Church.

whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.

A few things:

1. The faithful are not bound to believe private revelation.
2. S019 is not Catholic.
3. Mussolini needing someone to pray for him and only him for two years straight in order to get out of purgatory is not the vote of confidence in his leadership on God's part that you're implying it is.

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whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.

I read this assertion, comprehended it fine, and responded to it in points 1. and 2.

Yeah. Believing something is bullsh**t is not the same as not understanding it.

I'm actually not entirely averse to believing the claims of the mystic under discussion, because, again, they don't actually constitute a moral justification for Mussolini's rule according to Catholic teaching on the afterlife.

[YE]

I deleted much of the offending posts as is and the style of such posts warrant the discontinuation of this thread.