Opinion of School Modesty Club

[DC Al Fine]

Positive. A fair number of people feel pressured to dress a certain way. This Modesty Club is a voice in the opposite direction.

One thing stuck out to me. The article listed people calling and making threats at the founders of the club. Why do you think people would find a modesty club so objectionable?

[DC Al Fine]

I hate the hypersexualisation of women's body in modern society, but I hate efforts to force a particular dresscode on women much more. Puritan, reactionary sh*t.

Force? This is a club we're talking about here.

[DC Al Fine]

I hate the hypersexualisation of women's body in modern society, but I hate efforts to force a particular dresscode on women much more. Puritan, reactionary sh*t.

Force? This is a club we're talking about here.

The whole purpose of the club is to force a certain dress code on young girls via peer pressure.

Yeah and the school's Christian fellowship is the inquisition

[DC Al Fine]

I hate the hypersexualisation of women's body in modern society, but I hate efforts to force a particular dresscode on women much more. Puritan, reactionary sh*t.

Force? This is a club we're talking about here.

The whole purpose of the club is to force a certain dress code on young girls via peer pressure.

Yeah and the school's Christian fellowship is the inquisition

Whether or not they're effective is irrelevant. I was simply stating what the whole point of this organization was, which is, to put it mildly, slut-shaming.

So? Literally every club that advocates for something from the LGBT clubs down to the kids who volunteer at the soup kitchen try to make their favoured activity known and popular. There is nothing the modesty club is doing that any other club doesn't do.

[DC Al Fine]

"Modesty Club" sounds negative and I don't like it, but the gist of it is that while at school it's time to work and not walk around half nude or in your pajamas or whatever you rolled out of bed in. I support that and think these kids have their heads screwed on, even if the name of the club is pretentious. I think they'd like just a little professionalism to catch on. When they go to work as adults, unless it's a strip club, they won't be walking around half nude or in what they wore to bed the previous night. Schools need to better prepare kids for both college and the professional world. There's a time and place to work, and a time and place to play.

Positive (D).

I agree that to an extent schools should prepare kids for the way the real world is (regardless of the way it should be), but for plenty of things, society has stricter standards for children than the real world does (in particular cursing, as was referenced in the article).

There's a difference between wanting dress to be professional and non-distracting, which is generally a positive goal in a school I suppose, and the sexist, slut-shaming, moralizing that these parents are brainwashing their poor children to preach.

What's wrong with slut shaming? Sluts and cads are a scourge on society.

[DC Al Fine]

What's wrong with slut shaming?

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Sleeping around (i.e. sluttiness) causes a host of poor social outcomes and other problems. This shouldn't be any more controversial than discouraging dropping out of school.

My goodness folks... if peer pressure is "forcing" people to do something than no place is more fascist than junior high

The leftist hysterics on this issue is nothing short of silly... If you like the girls at your school wearing short skirts, then just say so

[DC Al Fine]

"Modesty Club" sounds negative and I don't like it, but the gist of it is that while at school it's time to work and not walk around half nude or in your pajamas or whatever you rolled out of bed in. I support that and think these kids have their heads screwed on, even if the name of the club is pretentious. I think they'd like just a little professionalism to catch on. When they go to work as adults, unless it's a strip club, they won't be walking around half nude or in what they wore to bed the previous night. Schools need to better prepare kids for both college and the professional world. There's a time and place to work, and a time and place to play.

Positive (D).

I agree that to an extent schools should prepare kids for the way the real world is (regardless of the way it should be), but for plenty of things, society has stricter standards for children than the real world does (in particular cursing, as was referenced in the article).

There's a difference between wanting dress to be professional and non-distracting, which is generally a positive goal in a school I suppose, and the sexist, slut-shaming, moralizing that these parents are brainwashing their poor children to preach.

What's wrong with slut shaming? Sluts and cads are a scourge on society.

Not a thing is wrong with it (assuming both male and female sluts are treated equally negatively), and schools should absolutely have a dress code.

Nothing is wrong with calling children or adults "sluts"? Nothing at all? What a strange moral compass you have. No person should be belittled because of what they do in their spare time if it doesn't hurt anybody.

Not that calling people sluts is remotely helpful, but 'anything is fine as long as it doesn't hurt anybody' is a specific moral belief, not a generic universal principle you can just expect people (particularly traditional Catholics such as realisticidealist) to agree with.

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I'd only add that widespread fornication most certainly does hurt people in the long run. It leads to the spread of disease, higher divorce rates, and single parenthood, all of which have very negative effects on our society.

[DC Al Fine]

"Modesty Club" sounds negative and I don't like it, but the gist of it is that while at school it's time to work and not walk around half nude or in your pajamas or whatever you rolled out of bed in. I support that and think these kids have their heads screwed on, even if the name of the club is pretentious. I think they'd like just a little professionalism to catch on. When they go to work as adults, unless it's a strip club, they won't be walking around half nude or in what they wore to bed the previous night. Schools need to better prepare kids for both college and the professional world. There's a time and place to work, and a time and place to play.

Positive (D).

I agree that to an extent schools should prepare kids for the way the real world is (regardless of the way it should be), but for plenty of things, society has stricter standards for children than the real world does (in particular cursing, as was referenced in the article).

There's a difference between wanting dress to be professional and non-distracting, which is generally a positive goal in a school I suppose, and the sexist, slut-shaming, moralizing that these parents are brainwashing their poor children to preach.

What's wrong with slut shaming? Sluts and cads are a scourge on society.

Not a thing is wrong with it (assuming both male and female sluts are treated equally negatively), and schools should absolutely have a dress code.

Nothing is wrong with calling children or adults "sluts"? Nothing at all? What a strange moral compass you have. No person should be belittled because of what they do in their spare time if it doesn't hurt anybody.

Not that calling people sluts is remotely helpful, but 'anything is fine as long as it doesn't hurt anybody' is a specific moral belief, not a generic universal principle you can just expect people (particularly traditional Catholics such as realisticidealist) to agree with.

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I'd only add that widespread fornication most certainly does hurt people in the long run. It leads to the spread of disease, higher divorce rates, and single parenthood, all of which have very negative effects on our society.

Stopped reading at "fornication"

How open minded you lefties are.

[DC Al Fine]

TNF, the fact that you think casual sex wasn't a done thing in the era before the car is a little chimerical. It just wasn't talked about as openly. There's no coherent way to make the argument that a moral belief is 'dated' unless you're arguing that new information has been presented
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 'Dated' just isn't a concept that otherwise applies to moral beliefs.

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Economic inequality my ass. Number of pre-marital sexual relationships is a far better indicator of divorce rates than economic inequality. And of course divorce of leads to single parenthood.

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I agree, but lack of social responsibility didn't just spring from the void. Men who are are cohabiting or just having sex with a woman are going to feel far less social pressure to be there for any offspring they might produce compared to married men.

[DC Al Fine]

Economic inequality my ass. Number of pre-marital sexual relationships is a far better indicator of divorce rates than economic inequality. And of course divorce of leads to single parenthood.

Correlation does not equal causation. 

Also, it's not like the only possible social norms are either: no premarital sex, never get divorced, OR have lots of premarital sex and have tons of kids out of wedlock.

How about a social norm that says: use birth control and take responsibility if you choose to have children?  That might also work. 

Given the divorce rate in our society today, I'd say that social norm is sorely lacking.