Franzl/Swedish Cheese campaign CONCESSION SPEECH

[Alexander Hamilton]

Well Tmthforu, I just PM'd you proof of your idiocy. A 40 page thread with a single post about it that does not show up on a search. And my response was "he is too inexperienced." That is not selective memory and it also does not contradict anything I said earlier. There was NO WAY for me to be able to see that one little post without going through 4o pages.

Oh for crying out loud! Please stop this rubbish. I have sent you an exact link to where it is at, as well a screenshot of my post.

Where is your reading comprehension? How could I have been able to find that post when it doesn't come up in a search? You think I don't double check things before I speak? Stop acting like a little emo teen, and let your stupid grudge go.

[tmthforu94]

Where is your reading comprehension? How could I have been able to find that post when it doesn't come up in a search? You think I don't double check things before I speak? Stop acting like a little emo teen, and let your stupid grudge go.

lol
Whatever, you know it's there. You're just too ignorant to admit you are wrong.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Where is your reading comprehension? How could I have been able to find that post when it doesn't come up in a search? You think I don't double check things before I speak? Stop acting like a little emo teen, and let your stupid grudge go.

lol
Whatever, you know it's there. You're just too ignorant to admit you are wrong.

God I hate having you in the party. I knew I should've followed through with what I told PiT last night and just ignored your moronic assertions. Let me break it down so you can maybe understand it, though it's doubtful because you're just stupid.

1. I said I don't recall Swedish Cheese being brought up
2. I said if it was, I'd have shot it down
3. I did a search on our forum, guess what, your little post doesn't show up when you search "Swedish Cheese", go try it
4. You send me a link to an obscure post in the middle of the 22nd page of a 38 page thread, a post that doesn't show up when I do a search.
5. The follow post says "He is a good DAer but too inexperienced"
6. So there is no lying on my behalf, nor selective memory. I didn't recall the post and couldn't find it, but after seeing an immature kid with a grudge dig through 40 pages to find it, just to see that my attitude and statements then are consistent with now, I am quite content

[Franzl]

Enough! Please don't turn my campaign thread into an internal RPP feud

[Хahar 🤔]

What's with this weird PM/public conversation?

[Bacon King]

(apologies to Franzl and Swedish Cheese for continuing this off-topic discussion; I just wanted to clear up this point.)

As you say, its a game.  Seriously the people want an assembly, let them have it and just being a crybaby

'Rules is rules' Technicalities are annoying but you either tolerate breaching them all, or tolerate none.

And Bacon King tolerated them previously. That is the point I've been trying to make.

This observation is irrelevant to the case currently pending before the Southeastern Judicial Overlord. To argue that "laws shouldn't be enforced because they sometimes are not enforced" is a bit laughable, if nothing else.

And as an aside Hamilton, lighten up man 'tis only a game!

[Alexander Hamilton]

What's with this weird PM/public conversation?

Someone has hurt feelings and I don't have the heart to expose it all publicly.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Wait did Mr. I Didn't Get My Way I'm Suing just tell Hamilton to lighten up??

[tmthforu94]

What's with this weird PM/public conversation?

Someone has hurt feelings and I don't have the heart to expose it all publicly.

Of course. I'm not the one who laughed at someone for having a blood condition...

[RIP Robert H Bork]

Franzl, would you consider voting for a bill that would ban abortions in the third trimester?

Yes, absolutely. I've always had a very strong dislike of abortion, and I even supported illegalizing at entirely at one point, but I've come to realize that such a move would be counterproductive in the fight against abortion.

But there's no reason a woman should be having an abortion in the third trimester, and I would sign such a ban if it were presented to me.

Hm, not as bad as I expected.

[Alexander Hamilton]

(apologies to Franzl and Swedish Cheese for continuing this off-topic discussion; I just wanted to clear up this point.)

As you say, its a game.  Seriously the people want an assembly, let them have it and just being a crybaby

'Rules is rules' Technicalities are annoying but you either tolerate breaching them all, or tolerate none.

And Bacon King tolerated them previously. That is the point I've been trying to make.

This observation is irrelevant to the case currently pending before the Southeastern Judicial Overlord. To argue that "laws shouldn't be enforced because they sometimes are not enforced" is a bit laughable, if nothing else.

And as an aside Hamilton, lighten up man 'tis only a game!

I know. I still think you're a good VP.

[Alexander Hamilton]

What's with this weird PM/public conversation?

Someone has hurt feelings and I don't have the heart to expose it all publicly.

Of course. I'm not the one who laughed at someone for having a blood condition...

Nor am I. You're just the one that is too stupid to get the difference.

For the record, my sister has the same blood condition, yet much more severe. She was released from the hospital two days ago. She almost died, and she isn't allowed back to school. She has had numerous blood transfusions over the summer. I do not make fun of people with such conditions.

[Badger]

Franzl, would you consider voting for a bill that would ban abortions in the third trimester?

Yes, absolutely. I've always had a very strong dislike of abortion, and I even supported illegalizing at entirely at one point, but I've come to realize that such a move would be counterproductive in the fight against abortion.

But there's no reason a woman should be having an abortion in the third trimester, and I would sign such a ban if it were presented to me.

Banning it in ALL circumstances? Even rape, incest, or serious threat to the mother's health?

[Badger]

No! I forbid you to take my collegue Swedish Cheese away from the Mideast Assembly! Simply won't have it.

I now announce my undying opposition to this ticket. ;-) Seriously though, good choice.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Franzl, would you consider voting for a bill that would ban abortions in the third trimester?

Yes, absolutely. I've always had a very strong dislike of abortion, and I even supported illegalizing at entirely at one point, but I've come to realize that such a move would be counterproductive in the fight against abortion.

But there's no reason a woman should be having an abortion in the third trimester, and I would sign such a ban if it were presented to me.

Banning it in ALL circumstances? Even rape, incest, or serious threat to the mother's health?

There's 6 previous months to take care of that.

[tmthforu94]

I partly agree with what Badger said, and I'm sure Franzl thinks that too. He was just talking about a general abortion due to a mother simply not wanting it. Sometimes, Hamilton, you don't find out the baby could kill you until the final semester.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I partly agree with what Badger said, and I'm sure Franzl thinks that too. He was just talking about a general abortion due to a mother simply not wanting it. Sometimes, Hamilton, you don't find out the baby could kill you until the final semester.

I think that it was obvious that only applied to rape and incest (consensual incest shouldn't count for this). If you honestly don't know that you've been raped after 6 months, I think your time has passed.

[Badger]

Franzl, would you consider voting for a bill that would ban abortions in the third trimester?

Yes, absolutely. I've always had a very strong dislike of abortion, and I even supported illegalizing at entirely at one point, but I've come to realize that such a move would be counterproductive in the fight against abortion.

But there's no reason a woman should be having an abortion in the third trimester, and I would sign such a ban if it were presented to me.

Banning it in ALL circumstances? Even rape, incest, or serious threat to the mother's health?

There's 6 previous months to take care of that.

And a whole host of VERY strong reasons why the matter may not be addressed before then when involving rape or incest, and certianly issues about late pregnancy diagnosis.

Really, if a woman decides to terminate a pregnancy because they were raped or their doctor says the pregnancy may kill/maim them, they're not too darned likely to put it off a few months to when the proceedure is particularly complicated because they "had other things to do".

[tmthforu94]

I partly agree with what Badger said, and I'm sure Franzl thinks that too. He was just talking about a general abortion due to a mother simply not wanting it. Sometimes, Hamilton, you don't find out the baby could kill you until the final semester.

I think that it was obvious that only applied to rape and incest (consensual incest shouldn't count for this). If you honestly don't know that you've been raped after 6 months, I think your time has passed.

I think I made it extremely clear that I was talking about a mother's life at risk. Also, if you would re-read my post, you would see that I said I "partly" agre with him. I do think that rape isn't an excuse after 6 months.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I partly agree with what Badger said, and I'm sure Franzl thinks that too. He was just talking about a general abortion due to a mother simply not wanting it. Sometimes, Hamilton, you don't find out the baby could kill you until the final semester.

I think that it was obvious that only applied to rape and incest (consensual incest shouldn't count for this). If you honestly don't know that you've been raped after 6 months, I think your time has passed.

I think I made it extremely clear that I was talking about a mother's life at risk. Also, if you would re-read my post, you would see that I said I "partly" agre with him. I do think that rape isn't an excuse after 6 months.

Again, reading comprehension PAL

[Purple State]

While this comes as no surprise, I applaud the independent choice you made Franzl. It really is a testament to your true values and commitment to bringing the game to higher levels.

Best of luck to the Franzl/SC ticket. You have my unyielding support!

[Franzl]

Anyway... back to substance.

What will be the top three things on the top of your agenda should you be elected? How actively will you push for your agenda?

Now I have a chance to answer this:

One of the most important things for is is making Atlasia a more attractive place to work and do business, making us more competitive on an international basis. Now, some of this has been mentioned before, but everything tends to hang together.

- Lowering corporate taxation in the long run. I understand there are budget issues currently, and now might not be the best time, but it's something we should keep in our eyes.

- Improving Atlasia's infrastructure to meet 21st century demands. By making investments in national high speed rail, as has already been begun with the High Speed Rail that I sponsored in the Senate, and providing regions with the funding to improve their own public transportation systems as they see fit, we can make accessing every part of the country easier for people and cargo.

- Environmental protection. I support continuing and advancing nuclear power, as evidenced by the Nuclear Power Advancement Act I also got passed a couple of months ago. Along with improved infrastructure, and reducing dependence on automobiles and trucks, I believe we can make meaningful reductions in our CO2 output.

- It goes without saying that I will resist attempts to legislate morality and to create a "nanny state" that controls our population. Now, Atlasia is already quite progressive in marriage laws, drinking laws, and is much less of a surveillance state than we are in real life, but I think it's important to keep things the way they are. There are continual and ongoing threats, such as the attempt to criminalize abortion. We can also increase the rights of our younger citizens by ending the prohibition on pornography, which is truly a victimless act.


There's a lot more to talk about as this campaign progresses, and I'm also confident that my running mate will do an excellent job of presenting his views on these issues, along with several of his own ideas that I know are quite interesting

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Wow I go away to get some sleep and this thread turn into a battlefield, and fill up four new pages.

Anyway, to the point. 

I have a question for the VP nominee:

What do you think of the SoEA's statement that DA and RPP will never again work together?  Do you agree with his statement or do you think that working together across party lines is best for Atlasia?

I'm not sure what HW's exact quote was so I will not be unfair and make a statement about his remarks without getting all the facts and hearing the SoEA's views first.

However I do not believe, nor do I think HW believe, that we will never cooporate with anyone in the RPP ever again. The strength of the DA is our willingness to work with all of the other parties when we agree to create the best possible solutions for Atlasia. The RPP have a lot of great ideas, and when we agree, we should definatley ally to make sure those ideas become reality.

I do however also think that it's important that we as a party stand on our own feet and are careful not to lose our indipendance if we want to keep being a major force in Atlasian politics. It's important for people to remember that we are not just the RPP's extended arm, just like we're not the JCP's extended arm. An alliance of the form we saw during the last presidential election between our two parties, I therefore think is unlikely to happen again soon.

Never is a dangerous word though, and Atlasia change a lot just in the short period of four months. So I will not count any future possibilities out. 

I hope that answers your questions

[Franzl]

I agree with Swedish Cheese for the most part.

I never rule out constructive cooperation with any democratic party. Just as the DA has certain ideological similarities with the JCP, there are also many things we can agree with the RPP on.

The important thing in this election, however, is to stress that there is a legitimate liberal centrist alternative to the two polarized dominating parties.

Yes, there has been some friction between us and the RPP recently, and I stand by my criticism of the way certain DA members have been treated by promininent RPP members. Atlasia should be more civil than that.

That doesn't mean, though, that we want to cut off all contact and cooperation with the RPP.

We as a party will not be instructing our members to vote in any particular way, not for President, and not for other offices either. We obviously hope we can maintain the necessary party discipline to give our centrist ticket a fighting chance, but in the end, our members should be free to 1st and 2nd preference whatever ticket they wish, and I stand by that.

Likewise, we welcome support, be it primary or secondary, from members of every other party that believe that Franzl/Swedish Cheese offers a competent, pragmatic product that will fight to represent all Atlasians.

Above all, I hope that the upcoming campaign will remain civil, without the battles and insults that have recently plagued Atlasia. We're better than that.

[Ebowed]

Franzl, would you consider voting for a bill that would ban abortions in the third trimester?

I would advise the Senator that this is already written into law regarding areas under federal jurisdiction.