The real reason Dems hate Bush

[Beet]

Thank you mort.  Outstanding.  I've been having to bite my lip every time I surf into this thread.  I'd also like to have a moment to reflect on the fact that in a year during which women served this country as never before, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, the women that got on television are the Dixie Chicks.  Egalitarianism will not be won by bigots.

The Chicks got on television because of the conservative backlash, thats all. Jessica Lynch got on television more than they did.

Also mort, check out these-

FMF:

http://www.feminist.org/afghan/intro.asp

http://capwiz.com/fmf1/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=5037156

NOW:

http://www.now.org/nnt/fall-2003/afghaniraq.html

http://www.now.org/issues/global/taliban-action.html
(criticism of Taliban BEFORE 9/11!)

[angus]

Oh, wait, how can we let this go unanswered.  Loook, in all seriuos ness.  You know that the point was..
what was the point?
oh, eyeha, the point was that this faux 'feminism' is hate-mongering.  I have voted for a female for governor, for mayor, and for vice president.  Have you?  Thought so.  Don't peddle your hate here, mister.  I used to be one of you.  I took off my swastika and became a republican okay.  One day maybe you'll wake up too.  

[angus]

I work for one too.  When I call her a bitch am I being insensitive?  no. because I'll call you one too.  see how that works.  equal opportuny ranting.  Okay, now I'm through.

[angus]

And another thing.  

Wait.  This is not the way.  I'm getting sucked into this.  

Good nitht.

[angus]

ah, sh**t.  It's still broad daylight out there.  Look I'll be honest I don't even know who the dixie chicks are, there some group FOX news kept going on and on about lsat yeer, I think.  I think they're a country band that made some embrassing remarks aroub Presidnet Buch.  But either way, The piont is that that I used to believe all that stuff about the republicans like their children to breathe foul nasty air, to drink poinsend water, and to kill pretty much every one they disagreed with.  Man, I was brainwashed so bad by my family.  It sucks.  It took me over thirty years to get over that sh**t.  Don't do that to your children.  Please.

[Beet]

Heil Hitler! Down with the anti-Nazi Republican dogs! We HAAAAAAAAAAATE them. Up with the swastika!

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[ncjake]

Heil Hitler! Down with the anti-Nazi Republican dogs! We HAAAAAAAAAAATE them. Up with the swastika!

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Finally a democrat who isnt ashamed of his parties ideals

[angus]

yeah, okay.  sorry, I've calmed down and had a cup of tea, sobered up, and generally mellowed out ,
Now, let's get down to business.  The real reason.  Tell us, your avatar is red.  Outside the exaggerated misunderstandings, what it is.  Will you?

I'll suggest the desire of their own party's failure to define itself, resulting in the success of the GOP.

[Beet]

Heil Hitler! Down with the anti-Nazi Republican dogs! We HAAAAAAAAAAATE them. Up with the swastika!

(this message has been brought to you by Hate Peddlers United, Inc.)

Finally a democrat who isnt ashamed of his parties ideals

Yeah, now if only we could find a Republican of similiar mindedness

[angus]

that was unclear.  

the failure of the DNC to develop what StevieNick99, wiseman, would call a "coherent political philosophy" in another reference.  What say you?

[Beet]

yeah, okay.  sorry, I've calmed down and had a cup of tea, sobered up, and generally mellowed out ,
Now, let's get down to business.  The real reason.  Tell us, your avatar is red.  Outside the exaggerated misunderstandings, what it is.  Will you?

I'll suggest the desire of their own party's failure to define itself, resulting in the success of the GOP.

I'm not officially registered as either party, but the reason for my avatar comes from the days of Newt Gingrich. The Republican party seemed like the party that (1) didn't care about people, and (2) worshipped some nonexistent utopia of the 'conservative' past. So far they haven't really overcome this image in my mind. That said, some Gingrich reforms, like welfare reform, were probably a good idea.

[Beet]

that was unclear.  

the failure of the DNC to develop what StevieNick99, wiseman, would call a "coherent political philosophy" in another reference.  What say you?

Well, can't speak for the DNC, but I suggest a four-pronged political philosophy

(1) non-Hobbesian statecraft... the collective action problem exists for states, too. Let's build leadership by working within an international system.
(2) pragmatism in economic policy... rigid adherence to Keynesian, free-market, or socialist dogma should be avoided. Do whatever works best! In the 30s it was government intervention... in the 90s it was the free market (though it could have been better regulated) also...economic special interests stink. In the 1970s in Britain it was the unions, in the 2000s America it is large companies. End corporate welfare unless it genuinely benefits the entire nation. Restrict media consolidation to ensure a diversity of sources.
(3) libertarian social policy... if it doesn't hurt somebody else, or deprive the actor of free will, it should be a freedom for people to enjoy. separation of church and state.
(4) concern for the poor and disadvantaged. equal opportunity should be a goal of a just society. apply the veil of ignorance test. absolute equal opportunity cant be achieved, but absolute happiness cant either.

[Shira]

I've been wondering why the libs hate George W. so much. Way more than Reagan, or even Nixon. It's a mystery to many Republicans. I think I have found the answer. The reason is because deep down in thier shriveled black hearts, they know that however the economy goes, whatever he does in Iraq, that Bush will go down as one of the greats. History will look upon him favorably, even if he doesn't get re-elected. They are bitter about not getting anything done with Clinton. That they had thier chance, and thier wonderboy was just average. When people think about Clinton 20 years from now, they will remember Monica Lewinsky. When people remember Bush, regardless of this upcoming elections results, they will remember his leadership after 9/11. They know that they cant destroy that legacy, and they hate him for it. They hate that he has one up on them. Your thoughts?

As oppose to Reagan (whose conservatism was more on the verbal level) Bush is a real conservative controlled by big corporations via their man in the White House - D.Cheney.

[A18]

Reagan vs. Bush

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0308-16.pdf

Who looks more conservative to you? BTW, thanks for reviving a dead thread just to say something stupid.

[opebo]

Reagan vs. Bush

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0308-16.pdf

Who looks more conservative to you? BTW, thanks for reviving a dead thread just to say something stupid.

I don't think shira was talking about budgetary matters.  I think she was talking about the religious and social intolerance aspects of Bush and Reagan.

[A18]

I see no difference between the two on social issues. I guess Reagan was for marijuana legalization prior to becoming president.

[opebo]

I see no difference between the two on social issues. I guess Reagan was for marijuana legalization prior to becoming president.

People seem to claim that Reagan was less religious and 'didn't really believe' all the intolerant hate he peddled to get elected.  While the consensus is that Bush really believes his religious/intolerant spiel, there are those who claim it is also an act.  Not that this really makes a difference - both have been a terrible threat to those who do not fit the christian model.

[A18]

Intolerant hate like...?

[opebo]

Intolerant hate like...?

Oh, the primary one is the anti-gay agenda.  Also the anti-woman agenda.

[A18]

A majority of women voted for Reagan, and only a little less than half voted for Bush.

Anti-thief agenda, anti-murderer agenda, anti-religious agenda...

[opebo]

A majority of women voted for Reagan, and only a little less than half voted for Bush.

Yes, they are anti woman women.  I was referring to the abortion interference of course.

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Ah, well theives and murderers actually do something to you.

And the religious of course attempt to do something to you using the power of the State.

[A18]

I see.

They haven't done anything to me, and I feel pretty safe out here in the country.

[Platypus]

whilst I really do hate Texas, my first couple of posts are embarrasing.

[2952-0-0]

This needs to be saved. It's as ridiculous as Collective Interest saying that Kerry was about to win a landslide at the scale of Reagan in 1980.

[Frodo]

The real reason Democrats hate Bush with such venom is the way he went about politicizing a disaster that should have united and raised us above petty partisanship.  Behind the hatred is a sense of betrayal and profound disappointment.   

Seen in this light, he pretty much brought all the sh*t he is getting upon himself.  In the end, he has only himself to blame.