The real reason Dems hate Bush

[© tweed]

Maryland is a wierd looking state.

[angus]

There was a great political cartoon in the New Yorker or some other such filty rag which had uncle sam holding a florida map about mid-height, in profile.  The caption said, "Electile dysfunction."

I bet Bob Dole would have liked that one.

[Beet]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I don't think sane people can be anything that ends with nazi. Even though I'm not enitrely sure what feminazi means. I'm guessing that it's a deameaning label of radical feminism.

So if a Swedinazi is a person who considers himself Swedish, then you really are from Minnesota? Though I'm not entirely sure what Swedinazi means. I'm guessing that it's a demeaning label of radical Swedes.

***

By the way, the Diary of Anne Frank has been published in North Korea, and is being taught to North Korean schoolchildren. But it is being taught not as about Anne's suffering at the hands of Nazi Germany, but their potential suffering at the hands of Americans.

"After reading that book, I feel hate for the American Nazi Imperialists"

"We will fight with the pen in one hand and a gun in another agains the American Nazis"

Any time North Korean students refer to Americans, they are taught to refer to Americans as Nazis.

[© tweed]

There was a great political cartoon in the New Yorker or some other such filty rag which had uncle sam holding a florida map about mid-height, in profile.  The caption said, "Electile dysfunction."

I bet Bob Dole would have liked that one.

I remember that!  I remember seeing that.

[Mort from NewYawk]

........ I hate people who try to paint me as some liberal elistist simply because i think women should have control of their own bodies, and that killing thousands of innocent iraqis is not neccessarily a good thing.

What I hate is when people profess such concern for women who have choices in their lives, and in the same sentence can't express the slightest concern for millions of Arab women living under tyranny who have no choices in theirs.

Sounds like liberal elitism to me.

But fortunately, we live in a wonderfully free country where we have the astounding luxury of typing whatever we like on our little old keyboards and expressing our little old opinions. And in that spirit, I welcome you to the forum.

[angus]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I don't think sane people can be anything that ends with nazi. Even though I'm not enitrely sure what feminazi means. I'm guessing that it's a deameaning label of radical feminism.

So if a Swedinazi is a person who considers himself Swedish, then you really are from Minnesota? Though I'm not entirely sure what Swedinazi means. I'm guessing that it's a demeaning label of radical Swedes.

***

By the way, the Diary of Anne Frank has been published in North Korea, and is being taught to North Korean schoolchildren. But it is being taught not as about Anne's suffering at the hands of Nazi Germany, but their potential suffering at the hands of Americans.

"After reading that book, I feel hate for the American Nazi Imperialists"

"We will fight with the pen in one hand and a gun in another agains the American Nazis"

Any time North Korean students refer to Americans, they are taught to refer to Americans as Nazis.

I've thought this problem a great deal too beet.  Check out National Geographic July '03.  This is a serious problem.  Like you, I offer no solutions or alternatives, only criticism.
 
kghadial and mort, you're on the same page.  You just don't know it yet.

--You will all be assimilated

[Beet]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I don't think sane people can be anything that ends with nazi. Even though I'm not enitrely sure what feminazi means. I'm guessing that it's a deameaning label of radical feminism.

So if a Swedinazi is a person who considers himself Swedish, then you really are from Minnesota? Though I'm not entirely sure what Swedinazi means. I'm guessing that it's a demeaning label of radical Swedes.

***

By the way, the Diary of Anne Frank has been published in North Korea, and is being taught to North Korean schoolchildren. But it is being taught not as about Anne's suffering at the hands of Nazi Germany, but their potential suffering at the hands of Americans.

"After reading that book, I feel hate for the American Nazi Imperialists"

"We will fight with the pen in one hand and a gun in another agains the American Nazis"

Any time North Korean students refer to Americans, they are taught to refer to Americans as Nazis.

I've thought this problem a great deal too beet.  Check out National Geographic July '03.  This is a serious problem.  Like you, I offer no solutions or alternatives, only criticism.

Actually, I don't offer any criticism (except of the regime itself). And neither have you.

[angus]

well, it's brainwashing of the north koreans, plain and simple.  Just as you suggested, while the article to which I refer does a little better, as they have a paid staff and we're just geeks ranting.  

And no matter what greedy American Imperialist Pigs say, the North Koreans will not give us the courtesy of an objective audience.   Socialism has not been their friend.  Take a look for example at the earthlights from space or those compsite image of fires & lights showing cities at night.  South Korea looks like an island, like Japan, cut off from the rest of Asia.  And that compared to China!!!

I'm not defending the North or South.  (and, once again I offer no solution)  But it seems to me that in the world's longest-running war (peace has not been formally declared still), we're on the side of the well-to-do.  If you want to bask in the nobility of the worker's plight in order to lead him into excess authoritarianism, as so many trotskites do, then be my guest.  I never claimed the left understood much anyway.

[angus]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the ing light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you ing moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

[nclib]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I certainly support feminism and find it ridiculous that the word 'feminism' would have such a negative connotation even though most people would not question a system based on equality between the races.

[angus]

And I am not some feminazi, because well I'm male.
 

Well if feminazism is merely belief in social and political equality of the sexes, it's certain that men can be feminazis as well.

I certainly support feminism and find it ridiculous that the word 'feminism' would have such a negative connotation even though most people would not question a system based on equality between the races.

we have a ing word for that it's egalitarianism.  If you really believe in equality between the sexes (gender, race, ethnicity, ethnoreligiousgroup, whatever) you wouldn't go around inventing others.  Lie to youselves, not to me!

There's a forum called for dems only or something like that you ought to go on there and tell every bit of this vile sh**t and circle jerk each other.

[nclib]

How could you favor social security, welfare, and medicare if you didn't have at least some sneaking suspicion that the American people were incapable of making wise decisions with their own money.  And what else is that but pure condescension and snottiness.  I find it very offensive.

I find it very interesting that Republicans consider social security, welfare, and medicare "condescending" and "elitist", but do not have a problem with the government endorsing a particular religion or restricting people's sexual behavior.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Communist. Not Socialist.
C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-T
America is more Socialist than North Korea
Hell, most countries are more socialist than North Korea...

[NHPolitico]

They hate Bush because they think he has no business being president. They think he stole the election and that he is too stupid to be president and they think that he has turned the government over to war-mongerers and corporations and that he's caused the world to hate us.

[Beet]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Actually communism works. If you look at the statistics, even the CIA admits that the Soviet Union had higher rates of economic growth in the 50s-70s than the U.S. That proves that communism works better than capitalism. Paul Krugman is a bunch of hogwash. If he's so hot, how come he didn't predict the stock market bubble?


 thank you nclib, that was what I was trying to say.

[Gustaf]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Actually communism works. If you look at the statistics, even the CIA admits that the Soviet Union had higher rates of economic growth in the 50s-70s than the U.S. That proves that communism works better than capitalism. Paul Krugman is a bunch of hogwash. If he's so hot, how come he didn't predict the stock market bubble?


 thank you nclib, that was what I was trying to say.

Who made these statistics, let me guess, the Soviets themselves? Everyone thought they were doing well, until reality emerged.

I agree with Angus that there are no Communist countries in the world, and only one Stalinist one, North Korea. But Al's right, it should be communist, not socialist, it isn't the same thing.

[Beet]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Actually communism works. If you look at the statistics, even the CIA admits that the Soviet Union had higher rates of economic growth in the 50s-70s than the U.S. That proves that communism works better than capitalism. Paul Krugman is a bunch of hogwash. If he's so hot, how come he didn't predict the stock market bubble?


 thank you nclib, that was what I was trying to say.

Who made these statistics, let me guess, the Soviets themselves? Everyone thought they were doing well, until reality emerged.

I agree with Angus that there are no Communist countries in the world, and only one Stalinist one, North Korea. But Al's right, it should be communist, not socialist, it isn't the same thing.

Well I was joking but the statistics are CIA estimates.

http://www.ncpa.org/pd/gif/pd32299.gif

The huge slowdown in the 70s and 80s, according to Krugman, can be explained by diminishing returns to capital. In a 1994 article, he points out similarities between contemporary western euphoria about East Asia's growth prospects and the anxiety in the 1950s and 1960s about the Soviet Union's apparently looming economic pre-eminence.

http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/myth.html

He argued that the parallels are not accidental: in both cases economic growth was based on the mobilisation of resources rather than on increases in efficiency. Three years later, the Asian financial crisis occured. Of course this does not explain why Soviet total factor productivity also slowed down over time, whereas it was always low in East Asia. But the empirical evidence is indisputable.

[opebo]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

[Gustaf]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

[opebo]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

[Gustaf]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

[angus]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Actually communism works. If you look at the statistics, even the CIA admits that the Soviet Union had higher rates of economic growth in the 50s-70s than the U.S. That proves that communism works better than capitalism. Paul Krugman is a bunch of hogwash. If he's so hot, how come he didn't predict the stock market bubble?


 thank you nclib, that was what I was trying to say.

Who made these statistics, let me guess, the Soviets themselves? Everyone thought they were doing well, until reality emerged.

I agree with Angus that there are no Communist countries in the world, and only one Stalinist one, North Korea. But Al's right, it should be communist, not socialist, it isn't the same thing.

I still think undercooked beef tastes delicious, no matter what the liberal media is saying.

no insane diatribes today boys.  back to the grind.

[Gustaf]

And another thing.  There's one socialist country left!  Okay?  All these lefties will tell you there are 3.  Wake up.  Cuba is a megalomaniacy (as was Iraq), and China has seen the g light okay?  Socialism is dead.  We are greedy materialistic pigs.  Get that.  Exploit that.  You weenies.  Get over yourselves.  If you slept through biology class you g moron liberals, it's called success, as least in Darwinist parlance.  Men want 2 things.  Sex and Food.  This is the way it is.  You cannot legislate morality.  Yes, you can exploit the minority man and the working man you shortsighted fools, but it's over.  Socialism is failed.

you motherf**ckers scare me every bit as much as John Ashcroft, and don't think he doesn't scare the sh**t out of me.

Actually communism works. If you look at the statistics, even the CIA admits that the Soviet Union had higher rates of economic growth in the 50s-70s than the U.S. That proves that communism works better than capitalism. Paul Krugman is a bunch of hogwash. If he's so hot, how come he didn't predict the stock market bubble?


 thank you nclib, that was what I was trying to say.

Who made these statistics, let me guess, the Soviets themselves? Everyone thought they were doing well, until reality emerged.

I agree with Angus that there are no Communist countries in the world, and only one Stalinist one, North Korea. But Al's right, it should be communist, not socialist, it isn't the same thing.

I still think undercooked beef tastes delicious, no matter what the liberal media is saying.

no insane diatribes today boys.  back to the grind.

I like beef too...but I'm not sure how that's a reply to my post...

[opebo]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

[Gustaf]

Couldn't agree more Gustaf - Soviet statistics were pure fantasy.

Personally I don't see any difference at all between socialism and 'communism'.  

Not at all!  Socialists use violence to 'achieve their goals' - they just do it after the election.  Just try to hold on to your property in a 'socialist' society and you'll find out how quickly they resort to violence to take it from you and throw you in jail.  Not much comfort in knowing your rights have been violated democratically as opposed to by revolution.
Then you should get better glasses. Communism and radical socialism have the same goals, but Communists accept the use of violence to acheive these ends, socialists want to do it democratically. Big difference, imo.

OK, I can see how that thinking works from a liberal viewpoint. Still, socialism requires support from the majority of the people communism doesn't. Socialists thus respect the will of the people, Communists don't. And to me the right to life is more sacrosanct than the right to property, even though I'm a strong supporter of both.

To me they're inseparable.

You don't think your right ti live is even slightly more worth than your right to your property?