Gay Marriage/Civil Unions in 10 years

[Keystone Phil]

I think Sen. Leach would have greater success of accomplishing something on this issue if he went for the more achievable goal of some sort of civil union that Pennsylvania would recognize.  Of course, if he does find that to be an acceptable interim goal, introducing a same-sex marriage bill might be intended to allow him to get a civil union as a compromise.  I'll leave it to the Pennsylvanians to debate whether a civil union bill has any chance of passage in their State.

No, it doesn't. It's never getting out of the House and certainly not out of the Senate. The voters wouldn't approve of it either.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Pennsylvania's problem is that it's choked with socially conservative Democrats who are mainly voting "team blue" for economic reasons.

My old State Rep in PA was a social conservative/economic liberal.  It was the worst of both worlds.

[Keystone Phil]

Pennsylvania's problem is that it's choked with socially conservative Democrats who are mainly voting "team blue" for economic reasons.

My old State Rep in PA was a social conservative/economic liberal.  It was the worst of both worlds.

Who was it? Is he (or she) still there?

[Holmes]

What about the places in the country where there's over a 50% divorce rate? They're totally again same-sex marriage, but if you look at a state that has a really low rate, like Massachussets, it has one of the lowest rate in the country. Inconvenient that you don't say that.

[Nutmeg]

My father was a drunk who beat me. My mother worked three jobs to make up for my lazy father and I hardly every saw her. Meanwhile, my best friend was raised by two gay men who held normal 9-5 jobs, always had time for their family, and loved my friend unconditionally.

Which household was it better for a child to be raised in?

Still the heterosexual biological mother and father home.  

You are a stupid person.  That's simply the only conclusion here.  Dumb as a bag of hammers.

[Speed of Sound]

My father was a drunk who beat me. My mother worked three jobs to make up for my lazy father and I hardly every saw her. Meanwhile, my best friend was raised by two gay men who held normal 9-5 jobs, always had time for their family, and loved my friend unconditionally.

Which household was it better for a child to be raised in?

Still the heterosexual biological mother and father home.  

You are a stupid person.  That's simply the only conclusion here.  Dumb as a bag of hammers.

At least a bag of hammers has a use!

[Marokai Backbeat]

You support Civil Unions though, don't you Phil?

[Keystone Phil]

You support Civil Unions though, don't you Phil?

Yes. Relevance?

[Marokai Backbeat]

You support Civil Unions though, don't you Phil?

Yes. Relevance?

Just curious, you seemed like you wanted gay rights to fail in PA from the way you were talking about it, so I wondered if you still supported CU or not.

[Keystone Phil]

You support Civil Unions though, don't you Phil?

Yes. Relevance?

Just curious, you seemed like you wanted gay rights to fail in PA from the way you were talking about it, so I wondered if you still supported CU or not.

I said Leach's efforts will fail miserably. That's just the way I see it. It has nothing to do with my preferences.

[Wiz in Wis]

When it is said that true marriage is better for the child than gay marriage, it is because the child of gay parents will always have a skewed perspective on reality; the children of real marriages much less so.  It is not surprising that many supporters of gay marriage come from broken families themselves, hence, they see no value to the institution whatsoever. 

It would be interesting to do a study on this.  I would estimate that those who come from loving families would be more likely to oppose gay marriage.  We already know what side that children who come from broken families will drift to.  Gay marriage will be the final nail in the coffin for the ancient concept of "two becoming one flesh".  Gay marriage has destroyed real marriage in Scandinavia, where there is a 50% illegitimacy rate.  This is why liberals are not aiding marriage, they are helping to destroy it.  And they have no reason to care, where the family once prevailed, government will step in.

Liberals can discard these ancient institutions if they wish.  If they feel that marriage is outdated, that illegitimacy is a good thing, then so be it.  Just don't complain where your worldview comes crashing down as you have to confront the real and devastating consequences of your ideology for the first time.

Yeah... Scandinavia... what a nightmare!

[MK]

When it is said that true marriage is better for the child than gay marriage, it is because the child of gay parents will always have a skewed perspective on reality; the children of real marriages much less so.  It is not surprising that many supporters of gay marriage come from broken families themselves, hence, they see no value to the institution whatsoever. 

It would be interesting to do a study on this.  I would estimate that those who come from loving families would be more likely to oppose gay marriage.  We already know what side that children who come from broken families will drift to.  Gay marriage will be the final nail in the coffin for the ancient concept of "two becoming one flesh".  Gay marriage has destroyed real marriage in Scandinavia, where there is a 50% illegitimacy rate.  This is why liberals are not aiding marriage, they are helping to destroy it.  And they have no reason to care, where the family once prevailed, government will step in.

Liberals can discard these ancient institutions if they wish.  If they feel that marriage is outdated, that illegitimacy is a good thing, then so be it.  Just don't complain where your worldview comes crashing down as you have to confront the real and devastating consequences of your ideology for the first time.

These far left liberals hate anything that's "tradition" and the institution of marriage is # 1 on the list now.   It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I think Keller is the best argument that could be made for gay couples raising children.

[Holmes]

Holy crap. What a c**nt. Maya Angelou phones Senator Huntley in support of the marriage equality bill, and she replies with "If they gave me a million dollars, tax free, I just wouldn’t vote for it."

But now we know where the bidding starts for her votes. I wonder if she's always asked for a million dollars of if she started lower.

Also, Maryland is taking another step forward. This is what advocates in Maryland have been waiting for. Challenging Gansler's decision on this would be frivilous to the max.

[Alcon]

Holy crap. What a c**nt. Maya Angelou phones Senator Huntley in support of the marriage equality bill, and she replies with "If they gave me a million dollars, tax free, I just wouldn’t vote for it."

But now we know where the bidding starts for her votes. I wonder if she's always asked for a million dollars of if she started lower.-

Calling her a "c**nt" just because she doesn't support gay marriage, and was kind of rude about it on the phone, seems a little excessive to me

[Holmes]

Maybe. From the source that I read, what I heard is that Maya calls Sen. Huntley, and she replies by totally being closed-minded to her like that. You just don't act mean to Maya Angelou and get away with it.

[Magic 8-Ball]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

[MK]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

People like you scare me when I think about 20 years from now. I hope this world ends by then.

[Alcon]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

People like you scare me when I think about 20 years from now. I hope this world ends by then.

Sarcastic people who want children to have loving parents?  what?

[MK]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

People like you scare me when I think about 20 years from now. I hope this world ends by then.

Sarcastic people who want children to have loving parents?  what?

No,  paper tigers who think they have the answer for our society with their libreal socioeconomic garbage.

[Alcon]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

People like you scare me when I think about 20 years from now. I hope this world ends by then.

Sarcastic people who want children to have loving parents?  what?

No,  paper tigers who think they have the answer for our society with their libreal socioeconomic garbage.

1. I don't think you're using the phrase "paper tigers" right.

2. When you're not actually discussing a topic intellectually, and are just complaining, don't you think that essentially makes your posts valueless?

[Phony Moderate]

Here, the Conservative Party supports gay rights, and were strongly in favor of the legalization of homosexuality in the 1960's. They are also pro-choice, supported the ban on handguns, pro-drug legalization, pro-big spending (at least some of the time), supports universal healthcare, public education, soft on immigration, and i could go on....

So, to all the gay people and left wing people in America, the UK is the place to live!

[Landslide Lyndon]

Here, the Conservative Party supports gay rights, and were strongly in favor of the legalization of homosexuality in the 1960's. They are also pro-choice, supported the ban on handguns, pro-drug legalization, pro-big spending (at least some of the time), supports universal healthcare, public education, soft on immigration, and i could go on....

So, to all the gay people and left wing people in America, the UK is the place to live!

Ah, but here in Europe even the conservatives are actually crypto-socialists.
Hence all the hatred towards France, Germany, Sweden and other perfectly normal countries.

[MK]

It's unfair to the child that's being adopted by homosexual parents.

How dare orphans be raised in a loving environment!  And, if you follow Vander's tortured logic, there's a higher chance that both parents will be intelligent.  We just can't have children mature under intelligent, adoring parents.

People like you scare me when I think about 20 years from now. I hope this world ends by then.

Sarcastic people who want children to have loving parents?  what?

No,  paper tigers who think they have the answer for our society with their libreal socioeconomic garbage.

1. I don't think you're using the phrase "paper tigers" right.
2. When you're not actually discussing a topic intellectually, and are just complaining, don't you think that essentially makes your posts valueless?

Yeah I'm using it right to describe 90% of the forum.  

Paper Tiger - meaning something that seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless -wiki

The term is often used in sports to describe those with great stats, but don't deliver when it counts.

Most of you on here claim to be intellectually better then most common Americans, however if you had to really fix social or economic problems you would fold because what you may have in smarts, you lack in balls.

This topic of gay marriage is a prime example of you not grasping reality and only using imtinamdating "intellectual" essays and lofty words to make the case for homosexual marriages.  Ignoring that as i stated libreal policies have already had a devastating effect on hetero marriages in the last 50 years.

 

[Lunar]

Most of you on here claim to be intellectually better then post common Americans, however if you had to really fix social or economic problems you would fold because what you may have in smarts, you lack in balls.

This topic of gay marriage is a prime example of you not grasping reality and only using imtinamdating "intellectual" essays and lofty words to make the case for homosexual marriages.  Ignoring that as i stated libreal policies have already had a devastating effect on hetero marriages in the last 50 years.

Is there any way we could make you the anti-gay marriage movement's spokesman?  I would do my part and pay anything less than 100 dollars for that to occur.