Most liberal Southern CD?

[MatthewZD]

The red states are truly Southern states.  The blue states are somewhat Southern states, but have aspects that make them not so.  The gray states are absolutely not Southern.

I agree with you on the ones marked red, but I would've also marked NC and TN red as well.  I can see TX, FL, and VA having aspects that lessen the "old south" influences, but why TN and NC?

[nclib]

The red states are truly Southern states.  The blue states are somewhat Southern states, but have aspects that make them not so.  The gray states are absolutely not Southern.

I agree with you on the ones marked red, but I would've also marked NC and TN red as well.  I can see TX, FL, and VA having aspects that lessen the "old south" influences, but why TN and NC?

In N.C., the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area (and to a lesser degree) Greensboro and Charlotte have some non-Southern aspects to them.

The least "Old South" part of Tennessee is Nashville, which even then has less of a non-Southern influence than parts of NC and VA.

[Verily]

Also to The Mikado, it lasted until then, but most of the population moved long before.

Peaked around 1950. Begun much earlier (1890s) of course.

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It wasn't?

Of course it was.

There are vast no.s of southern natives in all northern states with large black populations. I've never seen that table broken down by race, and obviously there are quite a few whites among these people, but I always surmised most were black.
Illinois still has more Mississippi natives than any other state except Mississippi, and IIRC more Mississippi natives than natives of any other state except Illinois (but don't nail me on the latter).

I think I'm using "youth" a little differently, meaning those under the age of 18. You probably mean the younger end of the workforce.

[minionofmidas]

Also to The Mikado, it lasted until then, but most of the population moved long before.

Peaked around 1950. Begun much earlier (1890s) of course.

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It wasn't?

Of course it was.

There are vast no.s of southern natives in all northern states with large black populations. I've never seen that table broken down by race, and obviously there are quite a few whites among these people, but I always surmised most were black.
Illinois still has more Mississippi natives than any other state except Mississippi, and IIRC more Mississippi natives than natives of any other state except Illinois (but don't nail me on the latter).

I think I'm using "youth" a little differently, meaning those under the age of 18. You probably mean the younger end of the workforce.

I basically meant 0 to 35.

[minionofmidas]

By-race figures on birthplace are not available by state, but they are available by region!
Here's percentage born in the South (for whole population), percentage born in the South (for non-hispanic black only population), percentage non-hispanic black only (for population born in the South), for 12 northern and western states with sizable black populations.

(South = Census Bureau definition. Includes Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Oklahoma, but not Missouri.)

Massachusetts 3.3 15.1 23.0
Connecticut      4.6 20.2 37.8
New York          4.0 14.5 53.0
New Jersey       4.7 18.4 50.2
Pennsylvania    5.6 14.9 25.8
Ohio                10.4 19.7 21.4
Indiana           10.2 21.6 17.4
Illinois               6.5 21.0 47.9
Michigan            7.0 21.3 42.5
Wisconsin          3.6 23.3 36.2
Missouri             9.2 17.8 21.4
California           6.2 25.1 25.8

So... about a fifth of the north's black population is still southern born (less where there's also a sizable element of Caribbean immigration, unsurprisingly). That's comparable to Florida's northeast-born share.
Obviously, the black share of the southern-born pop. is lower where there's been a sizeable element of white southern immigration - Pennsylvania Ohio, Indiana (mostly Appalachian in these states), Missouri, California (think Grapes of Wrath). Although Massachusetts is odd. I probably should have double-checked that one. Too lazy now. Tab's already closed.

[Brittain33]

Although Massachusetts is odd. I probably should have double-checked that one. Too lazy now. Tab's already closed.

It makes sense to me. Universities, liberal politics, tech and medical jobs have lured a lot of southerners here. I don't know how much of this is the circles I'm in vs. the city as a whole, but there seem to be a lot of southern gays, graduate students, scientists, doctors, academics, and just plain liberals in the area. I think this city has not been as comfortable a place for African-Americans to settle after school as it is for many white people, for a variety of reasons.

[minionofmidas]

Although Massachusetts is odd. I probably should have double-checked that one. Too lazy now. Tab's already closed.

It makes sense to me. Universities, liberal politics, tech and medical jobs have lured a lot of southerners here. I don't know how much of this is the circles I'm in vs. the city as a whole, but there seem to be a lot of southern gays, graduate students, scientists, doctors, academics, and just plain liberals in the area. I think this city has not been as comfortable a place for African-Americans to settle after school as it is for many white people, for a variety of reasons.

Except that the total southerner population is given as pretty low.
No, I wager I made a mistake in calculating.

[Brittain33]

Although Massachusetts is odd. I probably should have double-checked that one. Too lazy now. Tab's already closed.

It makes sense to me. Universities, liberal politics, tech and medical jobs have lured a lot of southerners here. I don't know how much of this is the circles I'm in vs. the city as a whole, but there seem to be a lot of southern gays, graduate students, scientists, doctors, academics, and just plain liberals in the area. I think this city has not been as comfortable a place for African-Americans to settle after school as it is for many white people, for a variety of reasons.

Except that the total southerner population is given as pretty low.
No, I wager I made a mistake in calculating.

Yes, I think I made the wrong response above. I can believe there actually aren't that many southerners here, and that this number reflects the fact it's an undesirable city for one group and very desirable for another.

[Ronnie]

Easy, TN-09