Most liberal Southern CD?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I'm leaning towards VA-08, but what do y'all think?

[Sam Spade]

Define "the South"

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Define "the South"

[nclib]

I'm leaning towards VA-08, but what do y'all think?

That or the south Florida ones (FL-19, FL-20).

As far as districts surrounded by other Southern districts, mine (NC-4) would be in the running.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

I'm leaning towards VA-08, but what do y'all think?

That or the south Florida ones (FL-19, FL-20).

The most Democratic is FL-17, at D+35, FL-19 is D+21, and FL-20 is D+18.

[nclib]

I'm leaning towards VA-08, but what do y'all think?

That or the south Florida ones (FL-19, FL-20).

The most Democratic is FL-17, at D+35, FL-19 is D+21, and FL-20 is D+18.

I know FL-17 is a majority-minority district, but I don't know whether the blacks (or whites) in that district are socially liberal.

[Torie]

Well for a white dominated CD, it's Broward, FL  versus Arlington,  VA , with the Austin, TX CD getting honorable mention, if we are talking about "liberal."

[Sensei]

I'm leaning towards VA-08, but what do y'all think?

That or the south Florida ones (FL-19, FL-20).

The most Democratic is FL-17, at D+35, FL-19 is D+21, and FL-20 is D+18.

I know FL-17 is a majority-minority district, but I don't know whether the blacks (or whites) in that district are socially liberal.

they are, from what I find.

[Meeker]

Clearly TX-18 or GA-04.

[MarkWarner08]

Define "the South"

You're including Missouri?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Define "the South"

You're including Missouri?

Yes.

[MarkWarner08]

Define "the South"

You're including Missouri?

Yes.

Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Why?

[Brittain33]

Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Why?

It was nominally a part of the confederacy, like Kentucky and presumably like West Virginia. It doesn't really matter, though, because no one's going to nominate any Missouri district... 

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Define "the South"

You're including Missouri?

Yes.

Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Why?

Former slave state, large black population, bottom half of the state is more Southern than not.

[MarkWarner08]

Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Why?

It was nominally a part of the confederacy, like Kentucky and presumably like West Virginia. It doesn't really matter, though, because no one's going to nominate any Missouri district... 

Okay. I see that you have West Virginia, too, which makes even less sense. Oh well.

[7,052,770]

The red states are truly Southern states.  The blue states are somewhat Southern states, but have aspects that make them not so.  The gray states are absolutely not Southern.

[nclib]

Define "the South"

You're including Missouri?

Yes.

Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Why?

Former slave state, large black population, bottom half of the state is more Southern than not.

Isn't most of the black population in Kansas City and St. Louis? Even if the bottom half of Mo. is culturally southern, the KC and StL areas are not.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A case could be made that anywhere in the U.S with a large black population is culturally Southern, to an extent.

[Adlai Stevenson]

I think traditionally the South refers to the 11 states of confederacy, so:

Texas
Arkansas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Tennessee

[Verily]

A case could be made that anywhere in the U.S with a large black population is culturally Southern, to an extent.

Not really, no. With a few exceptions, most such populations are generations removed from the South. While they are often similar to each other despite enormous geographic divides, they aren't Southern in character.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

A case could be made that anywhere in the U.S with a large black population is culturally Southern, to an extent.

Not really, no. With a few exceptions, most such populations are generations removed from the South. While they are often similar to each other despite enormous geographic divides, they aren't Southern in character.

But, or so it could be argued, what could be more "Southern" than large numbers of people descended from Slaves?

[minionofmidas]

Not really, no. With a few exceptions, most such populations are generations removed from the South.

The Great Exodus lasted right into the early 1970s...

I would nominate MD-4 or MD-7, except that some insaniac defined that area as not southern. Meh. Lloyd Doggett's district were the answer if it were more sanely shaped, although it's much better now than it used to be. So... I don't know. Maybe one of the Broward/Dade White Dem districts, although how they can be considered southern when Baltimore is not has me stumped.

[Verily]

A case could be made that anywhere in the U.S with a large black population is culturally Southern, to an extent.

Not really, no. With a few exceptions, most such populations are generations removed from the South. While they are often similar to each other despite enormous geographic divides, they aren't Southern in character.

But, or so it could be argued, what could be more "Southern" than large numbers of people descended from Slaves?

That's a more than mildly superficial look at what it means to be "Southern" in culture.

Also to The Mikado, it lasted until then, but most of the population moved long before. And even those who moved in the 1970s are mostly quite old now if they're even still alive (since it wasn't the youth moving).

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Former slave state

As are Maryland and Delaware.

large black population

Less than the national average = large? Not to mention how small that becomes if you remove St. Louis and Kansas City...

bottom half of the state is more Southern than not.

But that's not where the people are.

By your last two standards one could call Illinois southern.

[minionofmidas]

Also to The Mikado, it lasted until then, but most of the population moved long before.

Peaked around 1950. Begun much earlier (1890s) of course.

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It wasn't?

Of course it was.

There are vast no.s of southern natives in all northern states with large black populations. I've never seen that table broken down by race, and obviously there are quite a few whites among these people, but I always surmised most were black.
Illinois still has more Mississippi natives than any other state except Mississippi, and IIRC more Mississippi natives than natives of any other state except Illinois (but don't nail me on the latter).