Washington 2020: The Calm Before the Drizzle

[Ogre Mage]

Plus Dino Rossi comes across as an airhead to me....

In the editorial board interview with The Seattle Times, Dino Rossi did not understand the concept of "Net Neutrality."  Patty Murray did.  Click on the link and watch the 2:17 minute clip entitled "Net Neutrality."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/flatpages/local/politics/editorialinterviewssenate2010.html

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lol

[Torie]

Patty Murray is brilliant. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about.

That would not be the first time for me, but ...  well anyway, I admire your loyalty to your girl. By the way, Dick Morris says that Rossi is the most important GOP candidate to send money to. Rossi represents the 10th GOP pickup, and thus control of the Senate,  is the reason. So how much money do you think I should send Rossi, Bgwah? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSLfm_h1WY

Do you really think he sounds smart?

It was fine, but rather cliche ridden, and his delivery was uneven in places. But your problem with it is perhaps more about that you don't agree with Rossi that the Obama program sucked. Isn't that a fair comment?

[bgwah]

Patty Murray is brilliant. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know what they're talking about.

That would not be the first time for me, but ...  well anyway, I admire your loyalty to your girl. By the way, Dick Morris says that Rossi is the most important GOP candidate to send money to. Rossi represents the 10th GOP pickup, and thus control of the Senate,  is the reason. So how much money do you think I should send Rossi, Bgwah? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XSLfm_h1WY

Do you really think he sounds smart?

It was fine, but rather cliche ridden, and his delivery was uneven in places. But your problem with it is perhaps more about that you don't agree with Rossi that the Obama program sucked. Isn't that a fair comment?

I haven't actually watched it since May.

[Ogre Mage]

The Seattle Times has endorsed Sen. Murray.  I must admit I am slightly surprised, given the somewhat conservative bent of their editorial page and the fact they endorsed Rossi twice for governor.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html

The Seattle PI hasn't endorsed yet but given the liberal bent of that paper it's a lock for Murray.  The Everett Herald has already endorsed Murray.

I think the major papers we haven't heard from yet are the PI, Tacoma News Tribune, The Olympian, The Columbian and The Spokane Spokesman Review.

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The Seattle Times has endorsed Sen. Murray.  I must admit I am slightly surprised, given the somewhat conservative bent of their editorial page and the fact they endorsed Rossi twice for governor.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html

The Seattle PI hasn't endorsed yet but given the liberal bent of that paper it's a lock for Murray.  The Everett Herald has already endorsed Murray.

I think the major papers we haven't heard from yet are the PI, Tacoma News Tribune, The Olympian, The Columbian and The Spokane Spokesman Review.

The Seattle Times?

Wow.

[Ogre Mage]

I'm glad The Seattle Times skewered Rossi on the pathetic and unprepared answer he gave on Net Neutrality during their editorial board interview (see my post upthread):

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=76921.msg2672786#msg2672786

[Fuzzybigfoot]

This is big.

The Seattle Times endorsed Rossi twice during his bids for governor, but they endorsed his opponent this time.


See:
 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html?prmid=op_ed

[redcommander]

This is big.

The Seattle Times endorsed Rossi twice during his bids for governor, but they endorsed his opponent this time.


See:
 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html?prmid=op_ed

They also endorsed Susan Hutchison. As far as their endorsements go, they don't seem to have a good track record of getting people elected.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

This is big.

The Seattle Times endorsed Rossi twice during his bids for governor, but they endorsed his opponent this time.


See:
 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html?prmid=op_ed

They also endorsed Susan Hutchison. As far as their endorsements go, they don't seem to have a good track record of getting people elected.

Yes, but it's still important since they actually like Rossi, but they still endorsed Murray.  I just thought I might as well through it out there.

[Lunar]

It's more symbolic than anything else.

"On too many domestic and foreign policy matters, Rossi has not distinguished himself sufficiently from the Republican Party line. He has missed numerous opportunities to establish himself as a Northwest brand of Republican."

"On almost every topic, Murray is studied and has an answer. On the issue of net neutrality, which involves unfettered access to the Internet, Rossi did not have a clue, even though this issue is pressing within the tech industry."

[Fuzzybigfoot]

It's more symbolic than anything else.

"On too many domestic and foreign policy matters, Rossi has not distinguished himself sufficiently from the Republican Party line. He has missed numerous opportunities to establish himself as a Northwest brand of Republican."

"On almost every topic, Murray is studied and has an answer. On the issue of net neutrality, which involves unfettered access to the Internet, Rossi did not have a clue, even though this issue is pressing within the tech industry."

Exactly what I meant to say.  Thank you

[Beet]

This is big.

The Seattle Times endorsed Rossi twice during his bids for governor, but they endorsed his opponent this time.


See:
 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013112273_edit10murray.html?prmid=op_ed

They also endorsed Susan Hutchison. As far as their endorsements go, they don't seem to have a good track record of getting people elected.

They endorsed Reichert for both his re-elects. They are supposed to be the conservative paper in the Seattle area, the liberal paper was the Post-Intelligencer.

[cinyc]

They endorsed Reichert for both his re-elects. They are supposed to be the conservative paper in the Seattle area, the liberal paper was the Post-Intelligencer.

To what extent is that true?  Didn't the Seattle PI fire practically everyone and cease printing a physical newspaper?   Did the Seattle Times pick up some of the old PI editorial folks?

[Meeker]

They endorsed Reichert for both his re-elects. They are supposed to be the conservative paper in the Seattle area, the liberal paper was the Post-Intelligencer.

To what extent is that true?  Didn't the Seattle PI fire practically everyone and cease printing a physical newspaper?   Did the Seattle Times pick up some of the old PI editorial folks?

I've never heard that. The Seattle PI continues to operate as an online outfit and I'm pretty sure they retained most of their editorial board staff.

The Times continues to have a fairly conservative bent and I'm very surprised by this endorsement.

[Sam Spade]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2013103785_felonsvoting08.html

In short:  En banc review of the 9th Circuit's ruling that Washington's prisoner voting ban was unconstitutional has overturned that ruling in full.  The decision was unanimous.

[Meeker]

Local Democratic activist starts write-in campaign for 31st District Senate seat: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/news/104597454.html

He won't get more than 2% or so (if that).

[bgwah]

Local Democratic activist starts write-in campaign for 31st District Senate seat: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/news/104597454.html

He won't get more than 2% or so (if that).

If the local Democratic Party endorsed the guy, he could probably get a lot more than that. He won't win of course, but he could still get a fair amount.

I remember Di Irons got like >30% when she ran a write-in campaign against David Irons.

[Meeker]

Local Democratic activist starts write-in campaign for 31st District Senate seat: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/news/104597454.html

He won't get more than 2% or so (if that).

If the local Democratic Party endorsed the guy, he could probably get a lot more than that. He won't win of course, but he could still get a fair amount.

I remember Di Irons got like >30% when she ran a write-in campaign against David Irons.

The 31st District Democrats are unorganized and broke and ballots are mailed Friday. I just don't see how many outside of those directly involved in the party are going to be able to hear about the guy.

[bgwah]

Local Democratic activist starts write-in campaign for 31st District Senate seat: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/news/104597454.html

He won't get more than 2% or so (if that).

If the local Democratic Party endorsed the guy, he could probably get a lot more than that. He won't win of course, but he could still get a fair amount.

I remember Di Irons got like >30% when she ran a write-in campaign against David Irons.

The 31st District Democrats are unorganized and broke and ballots are mailed Friday. I just don't see how many outside of those directly involved in the party are going to be able to hear about the guy.

She jumped into the race pretty late--October IIRC--but of course that was pre-mail...

[Meeker]

Local Democratic activist starts write-in campaign for 31st District Senate seat: http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/pierce/bch/news/104597454.html

He won't get more than 2% or so (if that).

If the local Democratic Party endorsed the guy, he could probably get a lot more than that. He won't win of course, but he could still get a fair amount.

I remember Di Irons got like >30% when she ran a write-in campaign against David Irons.

The 31st District Democrats are unorganized and broke and ballots are mailed Friday. I just don't see how many outside of those directly involved in the party are going to be able to hear about the guy.

She jumped into the race pretty late--October IIRC--but of course that was pre-mail...

Hmm... well we'll see I suppose. My guess is that there will be a higher than usual level of spontaneous write-ins in that race as well (in addition to a very high undervote).

[Alcon]

In addition to the hee-larious 15 point lead for Murray (with leaners), the new Elway Poll spews out the following:

I-1107 Candy tax repeal
Yes 54%
No 33%

Without leaners, it's even worse (40-17).

I-1053 Requiring two-thirds majority for tax increases
Yes 49%
No 34%

Even a plurality of Democrats now support this.

I-1098 Income tax
Yes 41%
No 48%

Support is falling, and the income gap is rising; Eastside folks are sensing class warfare.

I-1100 Liquor #1
Yes 42%
No 44%

Undecided voters are starting to turn against this measure.

I-1105 Liquor #2
Yes 36%
No 45%

Independents don't like it.

I-1082 Worker's comp privatization
Yes 31%
No 40%

Other than a few people philosophically oriented toward opposition or support, most people seem confused.

http://www.publicola.net/2010/10/11/poll-candy-tax-repeal-gains-ground-four-initiatives-losing/

Also, lol @ 71% of people understanding I-1082 enough to be decided.

[Dgov]

In addition to the hee-larious 15 point lead for Murray (with leaners), the new Elway Poll spews out the following:

I-1107 Candy tax repeal
Yes 54%
No 33%

Without leaners, it's even worse (40-17).

I-1053 Requiring two-thirds majority for tax increases
Yes 49%
No 34%

Even a plurality of Democrats now support this.

I-1098 Income tax
Yes 41%
No 48%

Support is falling, and the income gap is rising; Eastside folks are sensing class warfare.

I-1100 Liquor #1
Yes 42%
No 44%

Undecided voters are starting to turn against this measure.

I-1105 Liquor #2
Yes 36%
No 45%

Independents don't like it.

I-1082 Worker's comp privatization
Yes 31%
No 40%

Other than a few people philosophically oriented toward opposition or support, most people seem confused.

http://www.publicola.net/2010/10/11/poll-candy-tax-repeal-gains-ground-four-initiatives-losing/

Also, lol @ 71% of people understanding I-1082 enough to be decided.

Well, if this same poll had Murray up by 15, then isn't it fair to say that the totals for most of these propositions are at least a couple of points left of where they will actually be on election day?

[Meeker]

While this isn't any surprise considering their primary endorsement, it's downright bizarre from the perspective of two years ago: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013142434_edit13district08.html

[bgwah]

While this isn't any surprise considering their primary endorsement, it's downright bizarre from the perspective of two years ago: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2013142434_edit13district08.html

The endorsement itself isn't terribly important, but we can't forget how the Seattle Times singlehandedly destroyed Darcy Burner in October 2008 with their front page slam piece. Their endorsement of DelBene at least suggests they won't do something like that again.

[Meeker]

More fun in the 31st District. Sumner City Council member Cindi Hochstatter demanded Richardson's resignation at a Monday meeting which was followed by this exchange:

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http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/10/13/1380500/sumner-council-member-calls-for.html