Rep. Jim Moran chastised for anti-semitic remarks

[MarkWarner08]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/hoyer-takes-aim-at-morans-aipac-comment-2007-09-18.html

[Rob]

What was inaccurate or "anti-Semitic" about those remarks? AIPAC is a very powerful lobby that pushed for the war, is it not?

[Gabu]

I couldn't resist.

[MODU]

Moran has a history for comments, which can be viewed as anti-Semitic, so I'm not really surprised by this accusation.

[AkSaber]

I couldn't resist.

A true patriot you are, Gabu.

[Eraserhead]

I couldn't resist.

This guy is an FF.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Steny Hoyer the Destroyer, another DLC ass. A drag on the whole Democratic Party.

[Gabu]

This guy is an FF.

I mostly posted that picture for the "MORANS" part.

[NDN]

Moran is a massive freedom fighter. His actions against genocide in Darfur, protectionism, the DOMA and the Patriot Act all show this.

This whole "jewish leaders" thing is being blown out of proportion IMO. It's blatantly obvious that the neo-Cons rabid support for zionism is one of the reasons we're in Iraq. Perhaps he should have chosen his words better, but there is a huge largely jewish political lobby that was pushing for our current foreign policy.

[NDN]

Old thread topic is old.

[Eraserhead]

This guy is an FF.

I mostly posted that picture for the "MORANS" part.

I realize this. I just wanted to point out that he seems like a freedom fighter in general.

[Conan]

Moran said the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) “has pushed this war [in Iraq] from the beginning … They are so well organized, and their members are extraordinarily powerful — most of them are quite wealthy — they have been able to exert power.”


So AIPAC immediately translates into all jews. I'd stand by his words.

[MarkWarner08]

What was inaccurate or "anti-Semitic" about those remarks? AIPAC is a very powerful lobby that pushed for the war, is it not?

AIPAC didn't push us into war. AIPAC is not a shadowy organization that secretly manipulates American foreign policy. AIPAC is just another lobbying group --it's no stronger or savvier than the NRA or PhRMA. Those who accuse AIPAC of yield an unwieldy share of power are echoing the arguments of those who used Jewish bankers as scapegoats for their nations economics woes.

Jews have always been a persecuted minority, even when they weren't the direct target --- back in 1096, the rapacious Crusaders took a break from their rapine rampage to massacre 8,000 Jews in the Rhineland.  The Jewish people do not deserve to be attacked with rhetoric that incited pogroms and genocides. I hope Congressman Moran shows the streghnth of character to apologize for his comments, these remarks aren't impolitic, they are incendiary and callous.

The Democrat must not tolerate those are go beyond the bounds of a measured political dialogue and launch into unfounded accusations. For the Moran family's sake, I hope Jim Moran's hateful remarks do not harm the likely gubernatorial his brother, Jim.

[Conan]

What was inaccurate or "anti-Semitic" about those remarks? AIPAC is a very powerful lobby that pushed for the war, is it not?

AIPAC didn't push us into war. AIPAC is not a shadowy organization that secretly manipulates American foreign policy. AIPAC is just another lobbying group --it's no stronger or savvier than the NRA or PhRMA. Those who accuse AIPAC of yield an unwieldy share of power are echoing the arguments of those who used Jewish bankers as scapegoats for their nations economics woes.
Jews have always been a persecuted minority, even when they weren't the direct target --- back in 1096, the rapacious Crusaders took a break from their rapine rampage to massacre 8,000 Jews in the Rhineland.  The Jewish people do not deserve to be attacked with rhetoric that incited pogroms and genocides. I hope Congressman Moran shows the streghnth of character to apologize for his comments, these remarks aren't impolitic, they are incendiary and callous.

The Democrat must not tolerate those are go beyond the bounds of a measured political dialogue and launch into unfounded accusations. For the Moran family's sake, I hope Jim Moran's hateful remarks do not harm the likely gubernatorial his brother, Jim.

Totally irrelevent and your views on AIPAC are misguided. AIPAC is one of the strongest lobbying groups supporting the Isreali state. You don't find pres candidates pandering to AIPAC for no reason. AIPAC has huge influence over the US foreign policy.

Moran should not apologize and should instead call for Hoyer to apologize to him. Hoyer, as we all know, is owned by lobbyists of every sort.

[MarkWarner08]

What was inaccurate or "anti-Semitic" about those remarks? AIPAC is a very powerful lobby that pushed for the war, is it not?

AIPAC didn't push us into war. AIPAC is not a shadowy organization that secretly manipulates American foreign policy. AIPAC is just another lobbying group --it's no stronger or savvier than the NRA or PhRMA. Those who accuse AIPAC of yield an unwieldy share of power are echoing the arguments of those who used Jewish bankers as scapegoats for their nations economics woes.
Jews have always been a persecuted minority, even when they weren't the direct target --- back in 1096, the rapacious Crusaders took a break from their rapine rampage to massacre 8,000 Jews in the Rhineland.  The Jewish people do not deserve to be attacked with rhetoric that incited pogroms and genocides. I hope Congressman Moran shows the streghnth of character to apologize for his comments, these remarks aren't impolitic, they are incendiary and callous.

The Democrat must not tolerate those are go beyond the bounds of a measured political dialogue and launch into unfounded accusations. For the Moran family's sake, I hope Jim Moran's hateful remarks do not harm the likely gubernatorial his brother, Jim.

Totally irrelevent and your views on AIPAC are misguided. AIPAC is one of the strongest lobbying groups supporting the Isreali state. You don't find pres candidates pandering to AIPAC for no reason. AIPAC has huge influence over the US foreign policy.

Moran should not apologize and should instead call for Hoyer to apologize to him. Hoyer, as we all know, is owned by lobbyists of every sort.

What's wrong will AIPAC being so powerful? So are the Aremianian interests, and no one ever complains about their power.  Since Truman vacillated and then decided in favor of Israel, the U.S and Israel have a relationship of unconditional love. This bond has led Israel to become a top buyer of America defense contractors and has helped reaffirmed America's moral ascendancy in the West by showing that the U.S is backing up its pro-democracy rhetoric with support of a democratic state.

If you're angry about supposed Israeli human rights violations, I hope you'll read through Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel." Israel is not immune from criticism, when leaders like Bibi Netanyahu make anti-Palestinian remarks, they deserve to be repudiated, but an irrational hatred of Israel is wrong. That's the kind of hate that emanates from Rep. Moran's comments.

[NDN]

This whole issue is being blown out of proportion. He was talking about leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

If Moran had condemned the leadership in the "black community leadership" for it's support for something like, say, Black Nationalism or the "hispanic community leadership" for MeCHa the usual GOP hacks would be cheering him on. But the second he talks about anything approaching radical zionism and/or neo-Conservatism (which are linked), he's tarred as a racist.

[MarkWarner08]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

[NDN]

Sure, the most powerful proponents were anglo-saxon males. But let's get real here. A huge portion of the modern neo-Con movement, if not a majority of it, is Jewish. Kristol, Feith, Abrams, Shulsky, Horrowitz, and more come to mind. And if anything, much of what they advocate has some hideous racist undertones.

[Verily]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

Well, sure, to say "Iraq is all the Jews' fault" would be clearly wrong and anti-Semitic. Still, it is very troublesome how much influence AIPAC has, and how powerful the Israel lobby is in Washington; on that Moran is right.

[MarkWarner08]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

Well, sure, to say "Iraq is all the Jews' fault" would be clearly wrong and anti-Semitic. Still, it is very troublesome how much influence AIPAC has, and how powerful the Israel lobby is in Washington; on that Moran is right.

Why is it "troublesome"? How is this any worse than the NRA or the NEA having influence over gun and education policy, respectively?

[Verily]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

Well, sure, to say "Iraq is all the Jews' fault" would be clearly wrong and anti-Semitic. Still, it is very troublesome how much influence AIPAC has, and how powerful the Israel lobby is in Washington; on that Moran is right.

Why is it "troublesome"? How is this any worse than the NRA or the NEA having infulence over gun and education policy, respectively?

Did I say those were less troublesome? (Though, IMO, the NRA and NEA have considerably less influence than AIPAC simply because AIPAC has supporters in both parties but the NRA is mostly concentrated in the Republicans and the NEA in the Democrats.)

[MarkWarner08]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

Well, sure, to say "Iraq is all the Jews' fault" would be clearly wrong and anti-Semitic. Still, it is very troublesome how much influence AIPAC has, and how powerful the Israel lobby is in Washington; on that Moran is right.

Why is it "troublesome"? How is this any worse than the NRA or the NEA having infulence over gun and education policy, respectively?

Did I say those were less troublesome? (Though, IMO, the NRA and NEA have considerably less influence than AIPAC simply because AIPAC has supporters in both parties but the NRA is mostly concentrated in the Republicans and the NEA in the Democrats.)

No, but my point is that you didn't bemoan their influence, but you did single out AIPAC. You still haven't explained why perceive AIPAC to be "troublesome"?

[opebo]

This whole issue is ridiculous. He was talking about the leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

The neo-conservative movement was founded by Jewish intellectuals who were worried about the Democratic Party's leftward drift on foreign policy issues. But the most powerful proponents of the war in Iraq were two non-Jews, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld. At the time, even paleocons like George Will were backing the war. To say that "Jewish Lobbyists" were playing a key role in the decision to go to war in Iraq is inconsistent with the reality of the pre-war push. Dick Cheney and David Addington played just as great, if not a greater role than Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Perle.

Well, sure, to say "Iraq is all the Jews' fault" would be clearly wrong and anti-Semitic. Still, it is very troublesome how much influence AIPAC has, and how powerful the Israel lobby is in Washington; on that Moran is right.

Why is it "troublesome"? How is this any worse than the NRA or the NEA having infulence over gun and education policy, respectively?

Did I say those were less troublesome? (Though, IMO, the NRA and NEA have considerably less influence than AIPAC simply because AIPAC has supporters in both parties but the NRA is mostly concentrated in the Republicans and the NEA in the Democrats.)

No, but my point is that you didn't bemoan their influence, but you did single out AIPAC. You still haven't explained why perceive AIPAC to be "troublesome"?

Good lord man, how is the NRA or the NEA 'troublesome' on the level of this warmonger pac?  Sure, the NRA's efforts mean more spouses are shot to death in a jealous rage than beaten, but overall the social effect is small.  What does the NEA do?  Makes the miserable lives and pay of teachers just slightly less miserable?  These warmongers, whatever intolerant religion they espouse, are causing the unecessary and pointless slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as damaging american foreign relations almost beyond repair.

[Undisguised Sockpuppet]

This whole issue is being blown out of proportion. He was talking about leadership within the Jewish community, which he repeatedly clarified. And let's face it, a lot of Jewish Lobbyists did sway things in favor of the war. Hell, look at most of the last names of the people in charge of the neo-Con movement.

If Moran had condemned the leadership in the "black community leadership" for it's support for something like, say, Black Nationalism or the "hispanic community leadership" for MeCHa the usual GOP hacks would be cheering him on. But the second he talks about anything approaching radical zionism and/or neo-Conservatism (which are linked), he's tarred as a racist.

What did you expect? Politicians are hypocrites.

[Conan]

What was inaccurate or "anti-Semitic" about those remarks? AIPAC is a very powerful lobby that pushed for the war, is it not?

AIPAC didn't push us into war. AIPAC is not a shadowy organization that secretly manipulates American foreign policy. AIPAC is just another lobbying group --it's no stronger or savvier than the NRA or PhRMA. Those who accuse AIPAC of yield an unwieldy share of power are echoing the arguments of those who used Jewish bankers as scapegoats for their nations economics woes.
Jews have always been a persecuted minority, even when they weren't the direct target --- back in 1096, the rapacious Crusaders took a break from their rapine rampage to massacre 8,000 Jews in the Rhineland.  The Jewish people do not deserve to be attacked with rhetoric that incited pogroms and genocides. I hope Congressman Moran shows the streghnth of character to apologize for his comments, these remarks aren't impolitic, they are incendiary and callous.

The Democrat must not tolerate those are go beyond the bounds of a measured political dialogue and launch into unfounded accusations. For the Moran family's sake, I hope Jim Moran's hateful remarks do not harm the likely gubernatorial his brother, Jim.

Totally irrelevent and your views on AIPAC are misguided. AIPAC is one of the strongest lobbying groups supporting the Isreali state. You don't find pres candidates pandering to AIPAC for no reason. AIPAC has huge influence over the US foreign policy.

Moran should not apologize and should instead call for Hoyer to apologize to him. Hoyer, as we all know, is owned by lobbyists of every sort.

What's wrong will AIPAC being so powerful? So are the Aremianian interests, and no one ever complains about their power.   Since Truman vacillated and then decided in favor of Israel, the U.S and Israel have a relationship of unconditional love. This bond has led Israel to become a top buyer of America defense contractors and has helped reaffirmed America's moral ascendancy in the West by showing that the U.S is backing up its pro-democracy rhetoric with support of a democratic state.

If you're angry about supposed Israeli human rights violations, I hope you'll read through Alan Dershowitz's "The Case for Israel." Israel is not immune from criticism, when leaders like Bibi Netanyahu make anti-Palestinian remarks, they deserve to be repudiated, but an irrational hatred of Israel is wrong. That's the kind of hate that emanates from Rep. Moran's comments.

1st Bold is irrelevent and not true again. The US hasnt even recognized their genocide.
2nd Bold is also irrelevent. His comments were that AIPAC has a lot of power. It's not an attack against Israel. And it is completely ridiculous and extremely ignorant to suggest that his comments were hateful because there was no hate in them whatsoever and it wasn't directed at Israel.. it was directed at AIPAC and his statement happens to be true.