09-05 Fox News Debate Thread

[StateBoiler]

Fox just replayed the exchange between Huckabee and Paul and then cut off right after Huckabee said we can't lose our honor and then Paul was about to say something else. No bias.

(And I walked out the room and didn't notice that after hitting "Post" the red new post text came up so this isn't "just replayed" any more.)

Hannity after seeing Paul leading "Not this again."

But in the debate, Huckabee got the last word (I dont remember what he or Paul said after the clip cut) and the crowd ROARED

Selective placement of images and quotes to get people to agree with you and your network's position on a candidate.

Hannity, Goebbels would've liked you.

[Brandon H]

Huckabee said something about not losing honor. Paul then said we lost 5000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I don't think saying Republicans are losing because they are pro-war, though true, was the right thing to say as it sounded almost like he was talking about what was popular.
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Ron 33% Rudy 16% John 15%

[Reluctant Republican]

Wow, even Alan Colmes is bashing Paul.

[StateBoiler]

Wow, even Alan Colmes is bashing Paul.

He did in the last Fox News debate. Colmes was asking how Paul could stand for being against abortion when he supported government staying out of people's lives.

[Eraserhead]

Paul won the debate for me by a landslide. I think he will do pretty well in the NH Primary. He won't win but he may suprise some people with his showing.

Huckabee and (suprisingly) McCain were excellent tonight as well.

Romney and Giuliani were just awful tonight. The worst debate yet for those two.

The rest don't even deserve an honorable mention.

[Brandon H]

Just read that Fox only allowed people to vote by text message once, so they can't say RP supporters voted multiple times.

BTW, next Republican debate is Sep. 17.

[The Duke]

I can't tell if I dislike Romney or Huckabee more.

And at what point will Ron Paul supporters realize that text message polls are a poor indicator of election performance?

[angus]

And at what point will Ron Paul supporters realize that text message polls are a poor indicator of election performance?

I don't think there are many who don't realize that, especially among Ron Paul supporters, who tend generally to be very well educated and thoughtful.  It may be obvious that Sean Hannity doesn't realize that they're a poor indicator, but he doesn't strike me as a Ron Paul supporter in the first place.  So your comments are a bit misdirected.

I'm excited that Ron Paul features prominently in nearly every post though.  Delighted, even, because I have been pushing his candidacy on this forum for a long time.  But I have no illusions about his success in the primaries.  No one has mentioned that he's in New Hampshire.  If the same debate had occurred at, say, Texas A&M university or Brigham Young Uniersity instead of UNH, I'm not sure that there'd have been so much applause for Ron Paul.  Not that he'd have said anything different, but that the audience would have had a different mindset.  And the different audience would, with our without Chaos Theory, have resulted in a different vibe and a different perception of who "won" the debate.  Remember, New Hampshire primaries will be counterbalanced by caucuses in Iowa, Wyoming, and Nevada, and primaries in South Carolina, all closely spaced.  So even if he pulls of a plurality in NH he will probably end up with fewer delegates than, say, Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney after those five contests.  The resulting distribution of delegates will be known by the night of February 2, in time to influence donors and voters in the huge supermegatuesday on February 5 when something like 20 states have primaries.

[Eraserhead]

I can't tell if I dislike Romney or Huckabee more.

I can.

[Reaganfan]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

[Joe Biden 2020]

When is the next debate -- Republican or Democrat on any of the major networks (Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS)?  Is it September 17.  If so, what channel is it on?

[Joe Biden 2020]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

I'll agree with that other than I thought Guiliani didn't do so well.  I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

[HardRCafé]

My debate thoughts:

Didn't you just announce you were taking time off?

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

The real winner: Me, for forgetting there was a debate on last night.

[angus]

When is the next debate -- Republican or Democrat on any of the major networks (Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS)?  Is it September 17.  If so, what channel is it on?

Apparently the YouTube debate originally scheduled for September 17 was postponed due to general lack of interest on the part of the candidates (Romney was going to be in Iowa milking a pig and Giuliani had a previously scheduled event with the Mafia.  Or something like that.)  I think that YouTube thing will happen in November. 

According to WaPo there's a Values Voters debate on September 17, but it's only going to be on some channel that about five people get.  Apparently PBS is doing one on September 24. 

Here's the latest schedule I could find for Republicans:

http://leadusforward.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/debate-schedule/

And this is from the DNC:

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/05/dnc_announces_d_2.php

[Reaganfan]

I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

Agree 100%. Clearly, McCain was the big winner of the night and hopefully (as I am a McCain supporter) this will revive McCain's recent decline over Summer.

[YRABNNRM]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

I'll agree with that other than I thought Guiliani didn't do so well.  I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

Note: Naso judges the winners and losers by his personal opinions of them, not their performances.

[Reaganfan]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

I'll agree with that other than I thought Guiliani didn't do so well.  I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

Note: Naso judges the winners and losers by his personal opinions of them, not their performances.

Not true...if that were true, I wouldn't have put Hunter so high up.

[Eraserhead]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

I'll agree with that other than I thought Guiliani didn't do so well.  I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

Note: Naso judges the winners and losers by his personal opinions of them, not their performances.

Not true...if that were true, I wouldn't have put Hunter so high up.

Fact: Giuliani did an awful job in this debate.

[Joe Biden 2020]

My debate thoughts:

Giuliani: Winner
McCain: Winner
Huckabee: Winner
Hunter: Winner
Romney: Loser
Brownback: Loser
Paul: Loser
Tancredo: Loser

I'll agree with that other than I thought Guiliani didn't do so well.  I thought McCain won the debate hands down followed by Huckabee.

Note: Naso judges the winners and losers by his personal opinions of them, not their performances.

Not true...if that were true, I wouldn't have put Hunter so high up.

Fact: Giuliani did an awful job in this debate.

I thought he did too

[Robespierre's Jaw]

I only saw 10 mins of the debate. I only really saw Ron Paul blabbing on about abolishing the CIA or something like that and Rudy Giuliani talking about Family Values. I had to switch over, 1. Because of Rudy Giuliani's fake tan and 2. It bored me to death (can't the Republicans get good candidates)

[SPC]

I already posted soetjng about the debate in the Paul-Huckabee thread, but I have just a couple things to say:

1. Did anyone notice that MAYOR Rudy Giuliani was criticizing Fred Thompson because he didn't have enough experience?
2. Did anyone notice that they had some idiot laughing whenever the moderators asked Paul a question?

[MODU]

1. Did anyone notice that MAYOR Rudy Giuliani was criticizing Fred Thompson because he didn't have enough experience?

To Rudy's credit, running NYC can be viewed as running a small state.  The same would be if Antonio Villaraigosa were running for president. 

[Joe Biden 2020]

1. Did anyone notice that MAYOR Rudy Giuliani was criticizing Fred Thompson because he didn't have enough experience?

To Rudy's credit, running NYC can be viewed as running a small state.  The same would be if Antonio Villaraigosa were running for president. 

As was correctly pointed out on this forum, New York City has a bigger budget than at least half the states in this country.  It has a population of nearly 9,000,000 people and that would be enough for 15 electoral votes if a state by itself.