Should OSR be muted from the "User complaints megathread"?

[It’s so Joever]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

You're using as yet another debate thread on Israel/Gaza, which is not what it's for and there's loads of other threads here for that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

You're using as yet another debate thread on Israel/Gaza, which is not what it's for and there's loads of other threads here for that.

No , I was challenging why G-Mac was banned then a bunch of posters replied making it into that . My posts were directly related to the reason why he was banned

[heatcharger]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

It’s an election year. Wrongthought shall not be tolerated.

The moderators decide what’s right for us and that’s that.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

It’s an election year. Wrongthought shall not be tolerated.

The moderators decide what’s right for us and that’s that.

You're acting like you're being oppressed by the moderators of a website that you make a willful choice to post on and have the absolute right to not post on if you don't like the rules.

[kwabbit]

Stop viewing everything through an insane liberal arts bubble because not everything that a liberal arts department would consider bigoted is bigoted.

What does this even mean? I have a math degree and I say the mods are doing a good job. Does my opinion therefore carry extra weight to you? (I mean, I'll take it, but it probably shouldn't for that reason.)

This is the conservative line right now. "Everybody that disagrees with me has an English degree!" It's getting to the point where pretty much anything a conservative says is incoherent to anyone outside of their bubble.

Which is funny because, kindly, Computer89 is not known as one of the more literate members of this site. Perhaps he should pursue a liberal arts degree of his own.

OSR is more historically informed and knowledgeable on many facets on especially mid 20th century US politics especially than most people are.
He doesn't need some liberal arts degree on that front and he also doesn't have to bow to credentialism either.
Let's not fetishize college degrees.

OSR isn't being treated unfairly because he does not possess a liberal arts degree. Plenty of posters, including those on the right, don't have college degrees at all, yet they are known for writing eloquently and coherently.

Not to be mean, since OSR isn't a dumb guy, but he could really use some formal liberal arts education. The lack of punctuation, the disorganized paragraphs, the tired repetition of certain ideas all weaken his arguments and posts. Sentences in his posts don't flow logically from one to the other, it's often like a handful different conservative ideas ordered randomly. That's why arguing with him is fruitless, because he's not logically absorbing and incorporating the opposing argument, much less his own.

[YE]

Please don't call or even imply a user is dumb, unintelligent, horrible, etc regardless on whether you feel they "deserve" it. How would you like it if someone did the same to you?  

I'm going to start handing out for infractions more aggressively in this and similar threads.

[°Leprechaun]

Please don't call or even imply a user is dumb regardless on whether you feel they "deserve" it. How would you like it if someone did the same to you?  

I'm going to start handing out for infractions more aggressively in this and similar threads.

Calling someone a horrible person is very much worse than calling someone dumb.

Also, there is a big difference between calling someone dumb and calling something someone said is dumb. A very intelligent person can say and think stupid things, and we have a thread to quote "ignorant" posts.

[heatcharger]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

It’s an election year. Wrongthought shall not be tolerated.

The moderators decide what’s right for us and that’s that.

You're acting like you're being oppressed by the moderators of a website that you make a willful choice to post on and have the absolute right to not post on if you don't like the rules.

There used to be a pretense that this site would cover a wide range of viewpoints, as it was useful to understanding politics and elections.

Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

The forum is changing. Actually, it’s dying.

[YE]

Please don't call or even imply a user is dumb regardless on whether you feel they "deserve" it. How would you like it if someone did the same to you?  

I'm going to start handing out for infractions more aggressively in this and similar threads.

Calling someone a horrible person is very much worse than calling someone dumb.

Also, there is a big difference between calling someone dumb and calling something someone said is dumb. A very intelligent person can say and think stupid things, and we have a thread to quote "ignorant" posts.

This I agree with, though comments resembling the latter are sometimes moderated on here anyway if they lead to threads being derailed or a poster is particularly aggressive in doing so or has a history of being agressive.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The attitude that somehow a perspective is being endorsed because its existence was permitted is one of the most positively deranged ideas I've seen get currency on this forum.

[heatcharger]

Important to remember we never really knew Dave Leip’s political views.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Important to remember we never really knew Dave Leip’s political views.

To be frank, some people would love a totalitarian moderation forcing their perceived ideological opposition into silence. In short, they want us to become like a subreddit, whether they realize it or not.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

The forum is changing. Actually, it’s dying.

If it was dead, you wouldn't be motivated to come here and spew BS everywhere.

[°Leprechaun]

Being an idiot isn’t a muteworthy offense.

No but the way he's derailing and misusing that thread should be. Again this is only from that thread, not calling for him forumwide.

How is it derailing lol . Challenging moderators policy and debating what should and should not be acceptable on the forum is exactly what that thread is for

It’s an election year. Wrongthought shall not be tolerated.

The moderators decide what’s right for us and that’s that.

You're acting like you're being oppressed by the moderators of a website that you make a willful choice to post on and have the absolute right to not post on if you don't like the rules.

There used to be a pretense that this site would cover a wide range of viewpoints, as it was useful to understanding politics and elections.

Vosem and jaichind never engaged in personal attacks on other users yet were explicitly banned for their views. We know it’s a left-wing blog but it’s interesting to see what behavior is tolerated and what isn’t.

The forum is changing. Actually, it’s dying.

The knife cuts both ways.
Being anti-Christian isn't tolerated either.
Some left wing views aren't tolerated.
There is definitely group think on both sides.

[°Leprechaun]

Please don't call or even imply a user is dumb regardless on whether you feel they "deserve" it. How would you like it if someone did the same to you?  

I'm going to start handing out for infractions more aggressively in this and similar threads.

Calling someone a horrible person is very much worse than calling someone dumb.

Also, there is a big difference between calling someone dumb and calling something someone said is dumb. A very intelligent person can say and think stupid things, and we have a thread to quote "ignorant" posts.

This I agree with, though comments resembling the latter are sometimes moderated on here anyway if they lead to threads being derailed or a poster is particularly aggressive in doing so or has a history of being agressive.

What you say makes sense.
I do think that posting something that is considered wrong, bad or ignorant to the appropriate thread can de-escalate a dicey situation. Even when this is done the author of the questionable post can take great offense.

[DaleCooper]

Another issue that really hurts forums like Atlas is when people who act like characters from Mean Girls go off to form little communities in other spaces, whether different websites or Discord servers or whatever, and then they periodically bring all that drama here. They derail threads, ruin conversations, and the rest of the forum doesn't even know what the f-ck they're talking about.

That seems to be happening more here. People will bring their sh-tty discord behavior here and expect everybody to respect it, and then they develop an increasingly severe persecution complex when nobody does.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Another issue that really hurts forums like Atlas is when people who act like characters from Mean Girls go off to form little communities in other spaces, whether different websites or Discord servers or whatever, and then they periodically bring all that drama here. They derail threads, ruin conversations, and the rest of the forum doesn't even know what the f-ck they're talking about.

That seems to be happening more here. People will bring their sh-tty discord behavior here and expect everybody to respect it, and then they develop an increasingly severe persecution complex when nobody does.

Is crane’s behavior acceptable then? All he does is launch personal attack after personal attack at posters here so why is it ok for him to act the way he does .

[DaleCooper]

Another issue that really hurts forums like Atlas is when people who act like characters from Mean Girls go off to form little communities in other spaces, whether different websites or Discord servers or whatever, and then they periodically bring all that drama here. They derail threads, ruin conversations, and the rest of the forum doesn't even know what the f-ck they're talking about.

That seems to be happening more here. People will bring their sh-tty discord behavior here and expect everybody to respect it, and then they develop an increasingly severe persecution complex when nobody does.

Is crane’s behavior acceptable then? All he does is launch personal attack after personal attack at posters here so why is it ok for him to act the way he does .

That doesn't appear to have anything to do with what I said.

[7,052,770]

This forum is so biased toward Democrats that it just ... banned the most pro-Biden and adamantly Democratic poster?

[VBM]

This forum is so biased toward Democrats that it just ... banned the most pro-Biden and adamantly Democratic poster?

GMac may be one of the most pro-Biden voters, but he veers off from red avatar orthodoxy on many issues, so I don't think this is a good example.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Another issue that really hurts forums like Atlas is when people who act like characters from Mean Girls go off to form little communities in other spaces, whether different websites or Discord servers or whatever, and then they periodically bring all that drama here. They derail threads, ruin conversations, and the rest of the forum doesn't even know what the f-ck they're talking about.

That seems to be happening more here. People will bring their sh-tty discord behavior here and expect everybody to respect it, and then they develop an increasingly severe persecution complex when nobody does.

Is crane’s behavior acceptable then? All he does is launch personal attack after personal attack at posters here so why is it ok for him to act the way he does .

Put me on ignore then or report if you think I broke the rules. Stop bringing me up in unrelated threads. Thanks!

[Fuzzy Bear]

No
No more than people pushing their groupthink should be banned from it either.
If large numbers of people will talk about select people and cast them in a certain light then said view is open to being challenged.
This is a silly idea and it only has any credibility if you buy into conventional red avatar thinking and refuse to accept it being seriously challenged.

This, 100%.

Muting OSR while allowing posters who have no problem with October 7 continuing to post would be incomprehensible to normal people.