Rabbi urges Jewish students at Columbia to leave campus

[Storr]

Will these protests spill outside of college campuses and become full-fledged riots? Seems fitting as we are closing in on four years since the George Floyd protests.

This could age like milk, but I don't think so. Think about what has caused American protests/riots in the past: implementation of a military draft in the middle of a civil war, labor rights, the war in Vietnam, police brutality.

Israel/Gaza is too niche of an issue for full-fledged riots to break out. American soldiers aren't dying in Gaza and unarmed American civilians aren't being killed by the IDF. The death and destruction in Gaza is too distant for most Americans to care, much less start a riot over.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Will these protests spill outside of college campuses and become full-fledged riots? Seems fitting as we are closing in on four years since the George Floyd protests.

This could age like milk, but I don't think so. Think about what has caused American protests/riots in the past: implementation of a military draft in the middle of a civil war, labor rights, the war in Vietnam, police brutality.

Israel/Gaza is too niche of an issue for full-fledged riots to break out. American soldiers aren't dying in Gaza and unarmed American civilians aren't being killed by the IDF. The death and destruction in Gaza is too distant for most Americans to care, much less start a riot over.

I don't disagree, but this is far too narrow of a list. For example, the Astor Place riots left 30 people dead over "a dispute between Edwin Forrest, one of the best-known American actors of that time, and William Charles Macready, a similarly notable English actor, which largely revolved around which of them was better than the other at acting the major roles of Shakespeare."

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Will these protests spill outside of college campuses and become full-fledged riots? Seems fitting as we are closing in on four years since the George Floyd protests.

I'm much more worried about a terror attack than I am mass riots. Tens of thousands of rioters destroying cities? Not likely. A few dozen super-radicalized members of these mobs spilling out and attacking a synagogue or media outlet? Definitely a concern.

[Aurelius2]

Will these protests spill outside of college campuses and become full-fledged riots? Seems fitting as we are closing in on four years since the George Floyd protests.

This could age like milk, but I don't think so. Think about what has caused American protests/riots in the past: implementation of a military draft in the middle of a civil war, labor rights, the war in Vietnam, police brutality.

Israel/Gaza is too niche of an issue for full-fledged riots to break out. American soldiers aren't dying in Gaza and unarmed American civilians aren't being killed by the IDF. The death and destruction in Gaza is too distant for most Americans to care, much less start a riot over.

I don't disagree, but this is far too narrow of a list. For example, the Astor Place riots left 30 people dead over "a dispute between Edwin Forrest, one of the best-known American actors of that time, and William Charles Macready, a similarly notable English actor, which largely revolved around which of them was better than the other at acting the major roles of Shakespeare."

The Age of Jackson was a wild time.

[Farmlands]

Also, I think the crowd's reaction (or lack thereof) in this clip captures the feelings of 99% of people.

https://twitter.com/hayxtt/status/1782492141492580655?t=-XhdKCmmJKKqH014aa1ttw&a...

The person whose tweet you are posting is a Holocaust denier.

The account has also posted about how no adult in Israel should be seen as a civilian, or non-combatant, because they all undergo mandatory military training, even if they don't really want to.

I get not approving of Israel's conduct during this conflict as a Jewish person, but this goes way beyond that. Though saying what exactly counts as a personal attack on Atlas, so I'll refrain from it.

[Indy Texas]

In general, protests are useful to the extent that they do one of the following:

(1) Raise awareness of a low-salience issue

(2) Pursuade neutral/indifferent people to the protestors' cause or perhaps even win over opponents of the protestors' cause

(3) Convince decisionmakers to meet some or all of the protestors' tangible demands


It's not clear to me how the protests at Columbia (or any other US university) are accomplishing any of those things.

(1) We all already know about Gaza and we all already know about the Hamas attacks.

(2) Absolutely nobody's mind is being changed by any of this. To the extent that the protests have been annoying or disruptive (especially things like blocking highways and making people sit in traffic and be late for work) if anything it has just made them view the issue more negatively than they otherwise would

(3) What do these people even want? Would the Columbia board of trustees passing a resolution calling for a "ceasefire now" meaningfully help anyone in Gaza? Does attacking and embarrassing an Arab-American university president improve things for Arabs or Muslims in America?

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1783242811497681311

He's right as well. TX has massive issues with anti BDS legislation .

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1783242811497681311

He's right as well. TX has massive issues with anti BDS legislation .

Yeah, in both cases he's massively overreaching more to show his own power than anything.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1783242811497681311
He's right as well. TX has massive issues with anti BDS legislation .

Greg Abbott is a dick news at 11

[Horus]

Also, I think the crowd's reaction (or lack thereof) in this clip captures the feelings of 99% of people.

https://twitter.com/hayxtt/status/1782492141492580655?t=-XhdKCmmJKKqH014aa1ttw&a...

The person whose tweet you are posting is a Holocaust denier.

Gross, though this was my first (and will now be my last) interaction with that account.

It was a repost in itself (the guy deleted it after realizing he humiliated his wife by putting it up), I just thought her response was apt. The woman in the video walked into the middle of the Harvard encampment wearing a white shirt that said "JEW" on it in big blue letters, no one cared, and she looked stupid.

[Horus]

Although I think for fall, if the Jewish students feel uncomfortable attending campus the universities should offer and allow them to take online classes so they can still get their education. This will allow both sides to learn without further fear of conflict escalation.

No one should be segregated out of class. Students should be able to tolerate each other and many need to grow a thicker skin.

Paul Kessler didn't need thicker skin, he needed a thicker skull to protect him from the brute who murdered him.

The path being laid out for Jewish students is clear - be silent, be afraid, and you'll be allowed to live in peace until you're not. Speak up and the mob will decide your fate. Needless to say, these terms are unacceptable.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize he was a student killed during a Kantian ethics taught through Beyonce's music class in room 304

[Meclazine for Israel]

47% of Voting Americans Right Now

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5PGRuDRnIg/

This disaster is playing out perfectly for Trump.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

47% of Voting Americans Right Now

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5PGRuDRnIg/

This disaster is playing out perfectly for Trump.

Trump didn’t get 47% of the vote in 2016.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Although I think for fall, if the Jewish students feel uncomfortable attending campus the universities should offer and allow them to take online classes so they can still get their education. This will allow both sides to learn without further fear of conflict escalation.

No one should be segregated out of class. Students should be able to tolerate each other and many need to grow a thicker skin.

Paul Kessler didn't need thicker skin, he needed a thicker skull to protect him from the brute who murdered him.

The path being laid out for Jewish students is clear - be silent, be afraid, and you'll be allowed to live in peace until you're not. Speak up and the mob will decide your fate. Needless to say, these terms are unacceptable.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize he was a student killed during a Kantian ethics taught through Beyonce's music class in room 304

No, he was a peaceful counterprotestor murdered by a violent mob just like the one boasting that "Zionists don't deserve to live" on a major college campus right now.

[Antonio the Sixth]

In general, protests are useful to the extent that they do one of the following:

(1) Raise awareness of a low-salience issue

(2) Pursuade neutral/indifferent people to the protestors' cause or perhaps even win over opponents of the protestors' cause

(3) Convince decisionmakers to meet some or all of the protestors' tangible demands


It's not clear to me how the protests at Columbia (or any other US university) are accomplishing any of those things.

(1) We all already know about Gaza and we all already know about the Hamas attacks.

(2) Absolutely nobody's mind is being changed by any of this. To the extent that the protests have been annoying or disruptive (especially things like blocking highways and making people sit in traffic and be late for work) if anything it has just made them view the issue more negatively than they otherwise would

(3) What do these people even want? Would the Columbia board of trustees passing a resolution calling for a "ceasefire now" meaningfully help anyone in Gaza? Does attacking and embarrassing an Arab-American university president improve things for Arabs or Muslims in America?

Regarding (3) iirc they're asking for the university to divest from companies that do business with the IDF in some way or other. What that means concretely I have no idea (frankly the idea of universities having investments of any kind feels like a sick joke and a symptom of everything wrong with higher education in the US, but I digress) but that doesn't seem like such an unreasonable ask per se. Of course they're still doing a sh*t job advocating for ti.

[Meclazine for Israel]

47% of Voting Americans Right Now

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5PGRuDRnIg/

This disaster is playing out perfectly for Trump.

Trump didn’t get 47% of the vote in 2016.

I only researched 2020 thinking that must have been lower than 2016.

[Roll Roons]

https://twitter.com/zach_kessel/status/1783591579506065796
They're all peaceful, right?

[Stranger in a strange land]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1783242811497681311

He's right as well. TX has massive issues with anti BDS legislation .

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/lee_kovarsky/status/1783891737196511537?t=h5YP8E8s9ENhljBlmE...

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/lee_kovarsky/status/1783891737196511537?t=h5YP8E8s9ENhljBlmE...

This was a particularly brutal overreaction for anyone who cares to look into it; and most of the students are convinced Abbott just wanted to make an example of 'liberal Austin' by sending in the guard from the few I've seen speak on it in different places online.

Good to see, they obviously did nothing wrong.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://twitter.com/lee_kovarsky/status/1783891737196511537?t=h5YP8E8s9ENhljBlmE...

This was a particularly brutal overreaction for anyone who cares to look into it; and most of the students are convinced Abbott just wanted to make an example of 'liberal Austin' by sending in the guard from the few I've seen speak on it in different places online.

Good to see, they obviously did nothing wrong.

This was a wildly different case from all the other campus crackdowns, because it seems it was A) decided largely without coordinating with the campus and B) directly based on speech, not conduct. Same playbook as what Abbott has been doing on the border.

[GeneralMacArthur]

https://twitter.com/lee_kovarsky/status/1783891737196511537?t=h5YP8E8s9ENhljBlmE...

This was a particularly brutal overreaction for anyone who cares to look into it; and most of the students are convinced Abbott just wanted to make an example of 'liberal Austin' by sending in the guard from the few I've seen speak on it in different places online.

Good to see, they obviously did nothing wrong.

This was a wildly different case from all the other campus crackdowns, because it seems it was A) decided largely without coordinating with the campus and B) directly based on speech, not conduct. Same playbook as what Abbott has been doing on the border.

Greg Abbott is an idiot.

I know liberals love to say this about any Republican governor they dislike, and it's usually total hyperbole.  But I think Abbott really does see himself as this authoritarian, and longs for opportunities to defy the Biden administration and federal law so he can abuse his power to punish ideological opponents or make an ideological point.  We've seen it repeatedly.

[Ferguson97]

Abbott is a moron. The protesters were losing the PR war very badly, why would he go out of his way to make them look somewhat sympathetic by overreacting?

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/copalestineco/status/1783930003215806592
https://twitter.com/grace_eliz1/status/1783935105070690366
It is actually never 'reasonable or necessary' force when you are arresting peacefully protesting students sitting on a lawn.

[Frodo]

This brings up a question I have seen come up occasionally on this forum, and seems especially timely: where do Jewish voters go now?  On pretty much any other issue, they can be counted on to be stalwart Democrats, but with the party likely to become more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause as newer generations replace their elders (and perhaps with a greater Muslim influence), where does that leave the Jewish electorate?