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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2024, 02:31:05 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.
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« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2024, 02:34:30 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy
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« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2024, 03:21:56 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

McCarthy didn't even try to offer Democrats a deal to save his job. You can't blame Democrats for that.
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« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2024, 03:59:45 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

It's not the Democrats job to elect a Republican speaker.
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« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2024, 04:16:02 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

It's not the Democrats job to elect a Republican speaker.

What incentive does a Republican speaker have then of working with democrats over the freedom caucus then .
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« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2024, 04:19:20 PM »

Every GOP governor but Phil Scott sides with Texas


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« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2024, 04:23:29 PM »

Every GOP governor but Phil Scott sides with Texas




Dark day in American history. Republicans no longer believe in basic tenets of our national identity like "the federal government has the final say over state governments." The intentional callbacks to Confederate secession ordinances are an extra layer of gross.

This wouldn't have happened a decade ago. Trump broke this country, maybe irreparably.
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« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2024, 04:24:28 PM »

Every GOP governor but Phil Scott sides with Texas




Dark day in American history. Republicans no longer believe in basic tenets of our national identity like "the federal government has the final say over state governments." The intentional callbacks to Confederate secession ordinances are an extra layer of gross.

Look at the tweet Vosem posted . The Supreme Court didn’t order Texas to do anything
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« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2024, 04:27:36 PM »

Every GOP governor but Phil Scott sides with Texas




Dark day in American history. Republicans no longer believe in basic tenets of our national identity like "the federal government has the final say over state governments." The intentional callbacks to Confederate secession ordinances are an extra layer of gross.

Look at the tweet Vosem posted . The Supreme Court didn’t order Texas to do anything

That's an extremely hair-splitting technicality at best. The Supreme Court confirmed that the federal government has the final word on this issue, and Texas is defying that principle, directly impeding what the federal government is directing.

Imagine if California decided to confiscate every privately owned gun but contrived a way to make it technically not violate DC v. Heller but clearly went against the intention of it.

Moreover, Republicans themselves are broadly seeing this as a defiance of the Supreme Court directly and celebrating that, further proving my point.
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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2024, 04:28:31 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

It's not the Democrats job to elect a Republican speaker.

What incentive does a Republican speaker have then of working with democrats over the freedom caucus then .

This would have been a great question for McCarthy to ask himself before demanding that Democrats vote to keep him as Speaker in exchange for zero (0) policy or rules concessions of any kind.
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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2024, 04:37:26 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

It's not the Democrats job to elect a Republican speaker.

What incentive does a Republican speaker have then of working with democrats over the freedom caucus then .

This would have been a great question for McCarthy to ask himself before demanding that Democrats vote to keep him as Speaker in exchange for zero (0) policy or rules concessions of any kind.

He worked with democrats on the budget right before he was removed so that was his concession to the democrats
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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2024, 04:40:27 PM »

The Republicans Governors of the United States (sans Phil Scott) have openly declared treason against the United States.

The removal of these individuals and occupation of their states by the military is necessary until order can be restored.
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« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2024, 04:41:00 PM »

Illegal immigration is not an “invasion” no matter how many times you racist, xenophobic losers keep repeating it.
Then what is happening at our southern border? Im pretty sure its not a meet and greet?

Apparently it's not that big of a deal, considering how your party wants to keep the status quo until January 2025 and look into it then.
The GOP establishment loves illegal immigration for the cheap labor and workers.

Except it wasn’t the GOP establishment who wants to stop anything from being done on immigration but the freedom caucus . Mitt Romney actually wanted to use Ukraine/Israel aid as leverage to get democrats to concede on the border and it was working until the freedom caucus blew it up . The fact is the freedom caucus basically at this point believes in nothing but blowing government up completely but the fact is you need government to fix this issue.

And the Freedom Caucus, along with their face-painting prophet, controls your party.

Maybe you guys should not have joined the freedom caucus in getting rid of McCarthy . Now the incentive for republican speakers to work with the democratic minority is lower than it was before given what happened to McCarthy .

McCarthy made a deal with Democrats to avoid a shut down and then when the freedom caucus revolted against him for that , democrats decided to vote to get rid of him too . So now what incentive does any GOP speaker have in choosing to work with Democrats over the freedom caucus given what happened to McCarthy

It's not the Democrats job to elect a Republican speaker.

What incentive does a Republican speaker have then of working with democrats over the freedom caucus then .

This would have been a great question for McCarthy to ask himself before demanding that Democrats vote to keep him as Speaker in exchange for zero (0) policy or rules concessions of any kind.

He worked with democrats on the budget right before he was removed so that was his concession to the democrats

I don't think you're understanding the chain of cause and effect here.

1. McCarthy passes a spending bill with Democratic support.
2. The thought leaders of your party decide that McCarthy has to go for not being enough of a nihilistic wrecker.
3. McCarthy demands no-strings-attached Democratic support against the Republican Party's intellectual and ideological center of gravity, and refuses to budge even though not budging costs him the Speakership.

Since 2. wasn't yet on the table when 1. happened, 1. was not a concession in connection with 3.
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« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2024, 04:41:48 PM »

The Republicans Governors of the United States (sans Phil Scott) have openly declared treason against the United States.

The removal of these individuals and occupation of their states by the military is necessary until order can be restored.

You are a bigger authoritarian than Donald Trump
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« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2024, 04:42:57 PM »

The Republicans Governors of the United States (sans Phil Scott) have openly declared treason against the United States.

The removal of these individuals and occupation of their states by the military is necessary until order can be restored.

You are a bigger authoritarian than Donald Trump

What is the correct response when Governors refuse to recognize the authority of the federal government? Please do tell.
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« Reply #90 on: January 25, 2024, 04:44:26 PM »

The Republicans Governors of the United States (sans Phil Scott) have openly declared treason against the United States.

The removal of these individuals and occupation of their states by the military is necessary until order can be restored.

You are a bigger authoritarian than Donald Trump

What is the correct response when Governors refuse to recognize the authority of the federal government? Please do tell.

That is not treason , unless every governor who enforces their state’s sanctuary city/state law is also committing treason .

You are an authoritarian and someone like you would be more dangerous as president than Donald Trump
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« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2024, 04:47:44 PM »

That is not treason , unless every governor who enforces their state’s sanctuary city/state law is also committing treason

People have explained the difference to you countless times, so I'm not going to waste my breath.

You are an authoritarian and someone like you would be more dangerous as president than Donald Trump

I am not an authoritarian. I am a patriot who wants the Constitution to be respected.

Your party does not respect the Constitution. You are the party of treason and terror.

If someone commits treason against the US, they should be punished.

Why don't you agree?
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« Reply #92 on: January 25, 2024, 04:56:12 PM »

Regardless of the politics of all of this, it is unambiguously the role of the federal government to set immigration policy. Texas is in the wrong. Every politician with a "hurr durr I stand with Texas!" statement is in the wrong. If you want a different immigration policy, vote for it in November. Until then, the 2020 presidential election continues to have consequences.

The fact that throughout all of this blustering, Republicans in DC are actively sabotaging a bipartisan deal to address this issue proves that this is all theater.
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« Reply #93 on: January 25, 2024, 05:22:55 PM »

PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL PHIL

(to the tune of "Bill Bill Bill" from Bill Nye the Science Guy)
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« Reply #94 on: January 25, 2024, 05:26:51 PM »

That is not treason , unless every governor who enforces their state’s sanctuary city/state law is also committing treason

People have explained the difference to you countless times, so I'm not going to waste my breath.

You are an authoritarian and someone like you would be more dangerous as president than Donald Trump

I am not an authoritarian. I am a patriot who wants the Constitution to be respected.

Your party does not respect the Constitution. You are the party of treason and terror.

If someone commits treason against the US, they should be punished.

Why don't you agree?

The Supreme Court never ordered Texas to take anything down . They said the federal government can take it down if they wanted too . So it’s exactly like the sanctuary cities
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« Reply #95 on: January 25, 2024, 05:44:47 PM »

Can someone explain to me why Biden is even fighting Texas on this?

the border is a huge liability for him and polls show even blue states voters have it rated as a top issue? Why push back on TX? That gives off a vibe that you are against tougher measures. At least allowing TX to do what they are doing may give some voters a "feeling" that we are dealing with the border, which may actually help Biden in the long run.

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« Reply #96 on: January 25, 2024, 05:56:00 PM »

That is not treason , unless every governor who enforces their state’s sanctuary city/state law is also committing treason

People have explained the difference to you countless times, so I'm not going to waste my breath.

You are an authoritarian and someone like you would be more dangerous as president than Donald Trump

I am not an authoritarian. I am a patriot who wants the Constitution to be respected.

Your party does not respect the Constitution. You are the party of treason and terror.

If someone commits treason against the US, they should be punished.

Why don't you agree?

The Supreme Court never ordered Texas to take anything down . They said the federal government can take it down if they wanted too . So it’s exactly like the sanctuary cities

You're splitting hairs over a technicality. The federal government and Texas disagreed over which party had supremacy on this issue, and the Supreme Court of course ruled that it's the federal government.

It would be one thing if Texas was saying "we aren't going to help the feds on this," which is what states do all the time on plenty of issues. It's completely different to actively impede the federal government and try to sabotage its policy decisions.

Again, I will point out that your entire party (aside from you, Vosem, and that Twitter clown) is CELEBRATING that Abbott is defying the Supreme Court, even if he technically isn't.
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« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2024, 05:57:48 PM »

Can someone explain to me why Biden is even fighting Texas on this?

the border is a huge liability for him and polls show even blue states voters have it rated as a top issue? Why push back on TX? That gives off a vibe that you are against tougher measures. At least allowing TX to do what they are doing may give some voters a "feeling" that we are dealing with the border, which may actually help Biden in the long run.

You can't establish a precedent that states can just overrule federal policy. Our entire system falls apart if this is normalized.
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« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2024, 05:59:18 PM »

The Supreme Court never ordered Texas to take anything down . They said the federal government can take it down if they wanted too . So it’s exactly like the sanctuary cities

There is a difference between a state refusing to help and a state actively impeding the federal government. The Constitution says explicitly that states must yield to federal law, and that they must permit federal officials to perform their duties when those officials’ actions are authorized by federal law.

The notion that Texas has to let the federal government take down the existing razor wire, but that it's acceptable for them to put up new wire is completely ridiculous.

Can someone explain to me why Biden is even fighting Texas on this?

the border is a huge liability for him and polls show even blue states voters have it rated as a top issue? Why push back on TX? That gives off a vibe that you are against tougher measures. At least allowing TX to do what they are doing may give some voters a "feeling" that we are dealing with the border, which may actually help Biden in the long run.

This isn't about immigration, it's about the authority of the federal government.
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« Reply #99 on: January 25, 2024, 06:17:36 PM »

Every GOP governor but Phil Scott sides with Texas




Why should anyone respect the aggrieved whining of a bunch of suck-ups whose net contribution to actually running the country (including the securing the border) is a net negative, both individually and collectively?
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