If Biden loses to Trump will his 2020 win be looked back on as a fluke?

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump, will 2020 be looked back on as a fluke?

[The Economy is Getting Worse]

No. On the contrary, it would mean that economic fundamentals matter.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He's not losing to Trump on 11/23/23

[junior chįmp]

Every election is a fluke beyond human control

[heatcharger]

Yes. The election will be viewed in the context of the pandemic, which the country already has internalized as a fluke.

[RilakkuMAGA]

Yes, which is the biggest reason why I hope Trump wins. Hopefully, that will cause Bidenism to be looked at as an abject failure, so that the Democrats can move onto a more successful brand of politics before the GOP actually has a high risk of going legit nuts in a way that endangers the world.

[Tekken_Guy]

Yes, which is the biggest reason why I hope Trump wins. Hopefully, that will cause Bidenism to be looked at as an abject failure, so that the Democrats can move onto a more successful brand of politics before the GOP actually has a high risk of going legit nuts in a way that endangers the world.

And Trump himself isn’t nuts?

[emailking]

It will probably seem like a fluke of the pandemic. But if he wins, then Trump will seem like a fluke in the middle of the Obama-Biden years.

[Red Velvet]

Not sure what it means, but all the Anti-Trump energy and passion from the last election would be regarded as pointless yes. Trump would succeed in governing the two terms he’s allowed to, only with an interval in-between.

[Sir Mohamed]

I voted Yes. At least it would reinforce the point he only barely won because of Covid. That it took the biggest health crisis in a century and total missmanagement by the incumbent for him to barely pull it off  by 43k votes.

It's interesting though 2016 largely isn't seen as a fluke despite Trump's loss in 2020. Before the 2020 election, I absolutely viewed 2016 as a fluke.

[Devils30]

He might just become like Benjamin Harrison, a largely forgotten President.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Yes, which is the biggest reason why I hope Trump wins. Hopefully, that will cause Bidenism to be looked at as an abject failure, so that the Democrats can move onto a more successful brand of politics before the GOP actually has a high risk of going legit nuts in a way that endangers the world.

You think everything is gonna change if Trump gets in everything was worse he would lose both the H and A and be impeached again in 26

Why would he be losing seats in 26 midterms because rich people are gonna keep getting tax cuts while the poor stays impoverished

[dw93]

Yes. I'm of the belief that without COVID the economy would've held enough for Trump to win a narrow EC victory. If Biden wins, I think Trump will be viewed similarly to Carter, both a blip in the middle of a realignment that favored the other party (In Trump's case the Democrats, in Carter's the GOP) and a glimpse of what's to come in the party, as Carter in many ways was a prototype of Bill Clinton's "third way," while a GOP post Trump is gonna be more similar to Trump than the pre 2016 Reagan/Bush GOP.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Depends how many Trump 2016 - Biden 2020 states he holds onto.

[President Johnson]

I voted Yes. At least it would reinforce the point he only barely won because of Covid. That it took the biggest health crisis in a century and total missmanagement by the incumbent for him to barely pull it off  by 43k votes.

It's interesting though 2016 largely isn't seen as a fluke despite Trump's loss in 2020. Before the 2020 election, I absolutely viewed 2016 as a fluke.

Pretty much agree. I also thought 2016 was a fluke and never on from summer 2017 had much of a doubt Trump would ultimately lose in 2020 to any halfway competent challenger.

The reason 2016 is no longer regarded as a fluke in my view is that as you said Trump came - at least in the Electoral College - within striking distance of winning reelection. While Biden flipped two states (Georgia and Arizona) that didn't vote for a Democrat in decades and made gains in suburbs, the Rust Belt states were really close and didn't return to Obama-era margins. Since these states cost Hillary the presidency, the 2020 results prove that 2016 wasn't fluke like New Hampshire 2000 or Indiana 2008. Some even argue Biden just received most of the third party vote while Trump remained at around 46%.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Depends how many Trump 2016 - Biden 2020 states he holds onto.

He's gonna hold MI, WI and PA the GCB is 43)42 D not R +4

[pbrower2a]

Yes, which is the biggest reason why I hope Trump wins. Hopefully, that will cause Bidenism to be looked at as an abject failure, so that the Democrats can move onto a more successful brand of politics before the GOP actually has a high risk of going legit nuts in a way that endangers the world.

You ignore that there will never be another meaningful chance for the Democratic Party to have the Presidency or any majority in either House of Congress. The Democratic Party would at most dwindle into a local clique in places in which the Republican Party, the Party that recognizes only asset ownership as the basis of politics, is seen as a occupier and exploiter. That means urban and some suburban machine governments are likely to be parallel to the GOP in corruption for lack of meaningful opposition. The GOP will turn education into either veritable madrassas feeding GOP propaganda and very elementary learning or private-school preparation for elite kids to learn how to lord it over the helpless proletariat that works to exhaustion for barest sustenance and dies when no longer able to turn a profit for the Master Class that runs the GOP. Such will last until a catastrophic War for Profit  won by those it is intended to enslave. Horrible social orders in which the elites have no accountability from the common man are the ones most likely to start wars; they are also the ones most likely to lose the wars that they start.  

As in commerce, competition keeps people honest and attentive in politics.

...What you call "Bidenism" is basically a rehash of the practices of one of the best ten or so Presidents that we have ever had. As far as I am concerned, the next effective Republican President will act much more like Obama than like Trump.

Top three: Washington, Lincoln, FDR
Second two: Jefferson, TR

(at this point it is "Mount Rushmore and FDR").

Third three: Truman, Ike, and Obama.

Fourth two: Polk and Kennedy.

Bottom two: Buchanan and Trump.

Order in the groupings is chronological order.


 
 

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

If Biden loses to Trump it's debatable whether or not there will be people left to look back on anything.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden isn't losing to Trump

[Liberalrocks]

“It's interesting though 2016 largely isn't seen as a fluke despite Trump's loss in 2020. Before the 2020 election, I absolutely viewed 2016 as a fluke.”                                                                    -                                                                                                                                                  2016 could be viewed as a fluke down the road if Biden beats Trump again.

[Inmate Trump]

It would mean Americans don't care about democracy, that they have no morals or decency, and it will give greater credence to the false notion that the 2020 election was stolen.

[sul]

yes & 2020 will be looked back at poorly since the higher turnout helped democrats.

[Duke of York]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

[GoTfan]

If Biden loses to Trump it will be remembered as the last free and fair election in US history.

It will not be that. Everyone said the same thing about 2016. If Trump actually successfully manages to turn the country into a dictatorship I will consider leaving this forum forever.

He wants to invoke the Insurrection Act on day one against 'dissidents'. He's planning to stack his administration with people who actively want to subvert democracy and is planning to essentially fire most of the civil service so loyalists can be installed.

If Trump wins, there will not be free elections in the US ever again. There will be election-type events, but they will play out exactly like Russia's.