Two questions about Western media

[Horus]

From a discussion in the I-P thread.

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Thought this would be interesting to bring to a vote. Of course Western media isn't a complete hive mind, so answer in general.

[Senator Incitatus]

Definite no to both, though it is naturally biased toward attention on areas with developed infrastructure.

[Vosem]

Yes to both, of course, how are we even having this discussion. Zillions of examples in the other thread just from today. You probably get a good example in every major newspaper every single day.

https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1714431220057035177

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's a surprisingly strong case that collectively the Western media is biased against both societies party to ~The Conflict~, though not in the same way.

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Obviously no to both. I guess the one way it could be perceived as anti-Israel is that it pays more attention to the Palestinians than the Rohingya, Uyghurs, or various oppressed groups in central Africa.

[dead0man]

They pay more attention to them than oppressed groups the world over.  For some reason Palestinians are the most unique "oppressed" group on Earth.  It's almost like a lot of people have a special hate boner for the other side of the conflict.  Weird.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Fwiw - and although we certainly should be wary of the golden mean fallacy - the BBC get a lot of complaints about their bias: half claim they are too anti-Israeli and half complain they are too pro-israeli.

[Old Man Willow]

Yes, it is biased against Israel. No, it is not biased against the wealthy.

[Red Velvet]

They’re biased yes, but in favor of both.

[Lief 🗽]

I don’t understand how anyone can say the western media is biased *in favor* of Israel after what happened this week. Probably the worst media failure I’ve witnessed since like the Iraq War.

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

They’re biased yes, but in favor of both.

[Lief 🗽]

Yes to both, of course, how are we even having this discussion. Zillions of examples in the other thread just from today. You probably get a good example in every major newspaper every single day.

https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1714431220057035177

Once you start paying attention, you notice it everywhere.

https://twitter.com/bethanyshondark/status/1715163257705549869?s=46&t=o2Rmfe...

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How is "detained" not a correct wording there?

[Alben Barkley]

It concerns me that you are tying "Israel" to "wealthy people and societies."

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Lol
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1715131915479535840?s=20

[Horus]

It concerns me that you are tying "Israel" to "wealthy people and societies."

Vosem tied them together and said the mainstream media was biased against both, not me. I simply brought it to a vote. Read the post.

Are you still concerned now or is everything A-okay since he's an Israel shill?

[DavidB.]

Vosem is right.

[Horus]

I wonder why a few folks think the media is biased in favor of wealthy nations but not Israel, seeing as they are clearly the wealthy, Western, "relatable" side in their conflict.

[ingemann]

They pay more attention to them than oppressed groups the world over.  For some reason Palestinians are the most unique "oppressed" group on Earth.  It's almost like a lot of people have a special hate boner for the other side of the conflict.  Weird.

As most thing it’s pretty complex, at start the sympathy was mostly with Israel, everyone loved an underdog story and both the French and Soviet backed Israel. But as it became clear that Israel was in Western camp, USSR began courting the Arabs instead. But until the 1970ties Western support was universal pro-Israeli far out on the left and right. It was only with the growing geopolitical power of the Gulf States and the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, we saw a pro-Palestine view moving into the European mainstream through majority opinion stayed pro-Israel, ironic USA grew increasingly pro-Israel in the same period.

The real shift in support of Israel happened in two different ways, in Europe with the collapse of the Israeli left and the rise of Netanyahu and the increased focus on narrow alliance with Bush-style conservatives , while in USA it happened as result of the rise of Al-Jazeera and the increased influence of the Gulf States on global media, of course the shift of the left from economic to social progressivism was the other major cause in USA.

Of course in USA as well of Europe people are still far more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine.

So no the increased opposition to Israel is not caused by anti-Semitism, instead increased anti-Semitism is caused by opposition to Israel.

[Ferguson97]

Yes to both, of course, how are we even having this discussion. Zillions of examples in the other thread just from today. You probably get a good example in every major newspaper every single day.

https://twitter.com/zackkanter/status/1714431220057035177

This grotesque example of journalistic malpractice is a symptom of the media's "being first matters more than being right", rather than a bias against Israel. They do this sort of thing all the time, it was only much worse because of all the consequences that followed.

[Lief 🗽]

How is "detained" not a correct wording there?

Because they were kidnapped and held hostage by terrorists after those terrorists murdered, tortured, and raped their families and neighbors?

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

How is "detained" not a correct wording there?

Because they were kidnapped and held hostage by terrorists after those terrorists murdered, tortured, and raped their families and neighbors?

That is a detainment, yes.

[dead0man]

They pay more attention to them than oppressed groups the world over.  For some reason Palestinians are the most unique "oppressed" group on Earth.  It's almost like a lot of people have a special hate boner for the other side of the conflict.  Weird.

As most thing it’s pretty complex, at start the sympathy was mostly with Israel, everyone loved an underdog story and both the French and Soviet backed Israel. But as it became clear that Israel was in Western camp, USSR began courting the Arabs instead. But until the 1970ties Western support was universal pro-Israeli far out on the left and right. It was only with the growing geopolitical power of the Gulf States and the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, we saw a pro-Palestine view moving into the European mainstream through majority opinion stayed pro-Israel, ironic USA grew increasingly pro-Israel in the same period.

The real shift in support of Israel happened in two different ways, in Europe with the collapse of the Israeli left and the rise of Netanyahu and the increased focus on narrow alliance with Bush-style conservatives , while in USA it happened as result of the rise of Al-Jazeera and the increased influence of the Gulf States on global media, of course the shift of the left from economic to social progressivism was the other major cause in USA.

Of course in USA as well of Europe people are still far more pro-Israel than pro-Palestine.

So no the increased opposition to Israel is not caused by anti-Semitism, instead increased anti-Semitism is caused by opposition to Israel.

none of that explains why this particular conflict gets twice the attention of all other conflicts of a similar nature combined.  It's not the death toll, other similar conflicts have higher death tolls.  It's not the "oil" or other resource, there isn't any.  It's not the fact that there are Muslims on one side, there are many similar conflicts with Muslims on one side or the other.  It's not the terrorism, many of them have terrorism every bit as bad.  There is only one major thing unique about it.

[Lief 🗽]

How is "detained" not a correct wording there?

Because they were kidnapped and held hostage by terrorists after those terrorists murdered, tortured, and raped their families and neighbors?

That is a detainment, yes.

A detainment is done officially/legally, like when someone is detained for questioning by the police. This is a kidnapping.