Israel-Gaza war

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Pro-Palestinians vs Pro-Gay Parade

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7uhQEURtog/

Not even going to try and explain what is going on there.

Collective punishment is the only real tactic of the militant pro-Palestinian movement now that it's clear they don't have the support of the general public. This is just an extension of that.

[Devils30]

Pro-Palestinians vs Pro-Gay Parade

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7uhQEURtog/

Not even going to try and explain what is going on there.

Collective punishment is the only real tactic of the militant pro-Palestinian movement now that it's clear they don't have the support of the general public. This is just an extension of that.

Its vintage intersectionality, every oppressed group drives through the intersection's 4 way stop sign and crashes into the other. Who could ever see that coming!

[GoTfan]

Pro-Palestinians vs Pro-Gay Parade

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7uhQEURtog/

Not even going to try and explain what is going on there.

Collective punishment is the only real tactic of the militant pro-Palestinian movement now that it's clear they don't have the support of the general public. This is just an extension of that.

Didn't the Israeli president say that there were no innocent Palestinians?

There's people on both sides who support collective punishment for the other.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Pro-Palestinians vs Pro-Gay Parade

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7uhQEURtog/

Not even going to try and explain what is going on there.

Collective punishment is the only real tactic of the militant pro-Palestinian movement now that it's clear they don't have the support of the general public. This is just an extension of that.

Didn't the Israeli president say that there were no innocent Palestinians?

There's people on both sides who support collective punishment for the other.

Sure, but this isn't about the war.

It's about some bizarre idea by global pro-Palestinian militants that they can make life unpleasant enough so that the average American or British civilian will just give them what they want.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Global foreign affairs expert and Australia's most popular past-Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, talks about what the two state solution meant when he was the leader of our country.

Two State Solution

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7vj93QK-P9/

In other news, Maldives bans Jews.

Maldives Jewish Ban

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7vGqNit06-/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/maldives-set-to-bar-israelis-from-visiting-foreign-ministry-issues-travel-warning/

President Mohamed Muizzu has “resolved to impose a ban on Israeli passports,” a spokesman for his office said in a statement, without giving details of when the new law would take effect."

[Open Source Intelligence]

Netanyahu has not agreed to this deal

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1796811942218043488
https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1796811943753163139

So this means no ceasefire until Hamas is eliminated and Israel occupied the entire Strip, right?

Or if Netanyahu’s coalition collapses, since apparently the ceasefire deal was worked on with other members of the government.

If Netanyahu wanted to be a real asshole to Biden he'd say other countries need to stop doing foreign election interference.

In other news, Maldives bans Jews.

Maldives Jewish Ban

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7vGqNit06-/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/maldives-set-to-bar-israelis-from-visiting-foreign-ministry-issues-travel-warning/

President Mohamed Muizzu has “resolved to impose a ban on Israeli passports,” a spokesman for his office said in a statement, without giving details of when the new law would take effect."

You post headlines like that it shows you're not being truthful. Israel is a state, Jewishness is an ethnicity. For Maldives to ban Jews from visiting would mean Jews with American passports for example would also be banned.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Pro-Palestinians vs Pro-Gay Parade

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7uhQEURtog/

Not even going to try and explain what is going on there.

Collective punishment is the only real tactic of the militant pro-Palestinian movement now that it's clear they don't have the support of the general public. This is just an extension of that.

Didn't the Israeli president say that there were no innocent Palestinians?

There's people on both sides who support collective punishment for the other.

Sure, but this isn't about the war.

It's about some bizarre idea by global pro-Palestinian militants that they can make life unpleasant enough so that the average American or British civilian will just give them what they want.

That's been the North Koreans' strategy the last 30 years.

[pppolitics]

Netanyahu tells MKs 42-day ceasefire 'for captives,' rules out end of war

Prime Minister Netanyahu told the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee Monday, just days after Israel submitted a plan through mediators, that Israel would not agree to a permanent end to the war before its goals were met, although it was open to a temporary halt as mentioned in the proposal.

"Israel can stop the fighting for 42 days to return the captives. But we cannot stop the war. The Iranians and all our enemies are watching us, wanting to see if we will surrender. There is a lot of fake news going on." He also noted that he would agree to halt all military activities for 16 days of the 42 days to allow for talks on the second phase of the deal.

[…]

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/06/03/netanyahu-say-israel-can-stop-war-for-42-days-for-captives-but-not-permanently/

IsraelHayom is a mouthpiece for Netanyahu so I am assuming that it’s true.

[Pres Mike]

Global foreign affairs expert and Australia's most popular past-Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, talks about what the two state solution meant when he was the leader of our country.

Two State Solution

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7vj93QK-P9/

I don't get what he is saying. He says that no Palestinian leader supports Israel with "secure borders" and thats the biggest barrier to peace. That doesn't make sense. The biggest issues have been settlements in the West Bank, refugees returning and the status of Jerusalem. No one cares if Israel builds a wall once fair borders are set for a two state solution

[Storr]

I'm increasingly skeptical if any hostages are still alive:

"Israel confirms deaths of four more hostages in Gaza"

"The men were named as British-Israeli Nadav Popplewell, 51, Chaim Peri, 79, Yoram Metzger, 80, and Amiram Cooper, 85.

IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said intelligence gathered in recent weeks had led to the assessment.

"We assess that the four of them were killed while together in the area of Khan Younis during our operation there against Hamas," he said, without giving further details."

[Devils30]

Global foreign affairs expert and Australia's most popular past-Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, talks about what the two state solution meant when he was the leader of our country.

Two State Solution

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7vj93QK-P9/

I don't get what he is saying. He says that no Palestinian leader supports Israel with "secure borders" and thats the biggest barrier to peace. That doesn't make sense. The biggest issues have been settlements in the West Bank, refugees returning and the status of Jerusalem. No one cares if Israel builds a wall once fair borders are set for a two state solution

The early years of any two state solution almost certainly would feature a Korean style DMZ barrier I feel. Israel would want this type of security assuming it dismantles settlements inside the West Bank (of course the settlements closer to the green line might involve land swaps). For Israel the security issue is more about missiles flying into Tel Aviv and other large areas as opposed to a Palestinian military physically invading on foot.

[Pres Mike]

Global foreign affairs expert and Australia's most popular past-Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, talks about what the two state solution meant when he was the leader of our country.

Two State Solution

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7vj93QK-P9/

I don't get what he is saying. He says that no Palestinian leader supports Israel with "secure borders" and thats the biggest barrier to peace. That doesn't make sense. The biggest issues have been settlements in the West Bank, refugees returning and the status of Jerusalem. No one cares if Israel builds a wall once fair borders are set for a two state solution

The early years of any two state solution almost certainly would feature a Korean style DMZ barrier I feel. Israel would want this type of security assuming it dismantles settlements inside the West Bank (of course the settlements closer to the green line might involve land swaps). For Israel the security issue is more about missiles flying into Tel Aviv and other large areas as opposed to a Palestinian military physically invading on foot.

Actually....

So I've done some research since I made that post. Many in Israel want permenant IDF military posts in any new Palestinian state. This means troops on Jordan border and anti missile posts to protect from Iran missile attacks. Some of this can be reasonable but some can allow a future Israeli prime minister to quickly reoccupy the West Bank.

[Silent Hunter]

The early years of any two state solution almost certainly would feature a Korean style DMZ barrier I feel. Israel would want this type of security assuming it dismantles settlements inside the West Bank (of course the settlements closer to the green line might involve land swaps). For Israel the security issue is more about missiles flying into Tel Aviv and other large areas as opposed to a Palestinian military physically invading on foot.

Israel already has a wall built inside the West Bank, which has effectively stopped most of the terrorist attacks from there against the country proper. The main violence is in the West Bank itself has Palestinians against settlers or more often vice-versa.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Extended interview with Tony Abbott on Israel-Hamas war including the two-state solution and origins of the ICC.

Tony Abbott

Moral Equivalence of Israel v Hamas

https://youtu.be/cH4pwONZ06s?t=1239

This is an interesting discussion of the history surrounding the International Criminal Court.

"The two-state solution is an impossible dream."

[Ancestral Republican]

Shas and United Torah Judaism, two extremist parties within Bibi's government, announce support for Biden ceasefire agreement, meaning NRP and Otzma Yehudit maybe the only opposition.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1797984578130624695

[CumbrianLefty]

Does this mean Likud are supporting it despite what Netanyahu has said?

[Open Source Intelligence]

Does this mean Likud are supporting it despite what Netanyahu has said?

Maybe Likud have agreed internally to toss Netanyahu overboard in exchange for them still running the government?

/westwing mode

[Angel of Death]

Robinette finally (more or less) concedes what everyone with half a brain cell could already conclude at pretty much the outset of the war:

The President declines to say as much, but when asked by TIME if Netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own political reasons, Biden admits, “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.”

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Shas and United Torah Judaism, two extremist parties within Bibi's government, announce support for Biden ceasefire agreement, meaning NRP and Otzma Yehudit maybe the only opposition.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1797984578130624695

While both are definitely right-wing parties, they're both pretty atypical in their concerns - Shas is known to be generally corrupt and willing to give its assent for favors, while UTJ is mostly concerned with how the ultra-Orthodox are treated. If both are in favor, it probably indicates that either support is extremely broad or Netanyahu has lost control of his coalition.

[pppolitics]

Biden says there is ‘every reason’ to believe Netanyahu is prolonging the war for political reasons.

President Biden, asked whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was prolonging the war in Gaza in an effort to hold on to office, said that he believes “there is every reason for people to draw that conclusion,” lending his voice to something many in his administration have been saying privately for months.

His statement came in an interview with Time magazine published Tuesday that was conducted May 28, three days before Mr. Biden gave a speech revealing the details of what he called an “Israeli plan” to bring about an exchange of hostages and a permanent cease-fire. His decision to describe the Israeli plan in public appeared to be a clear effort to lock in Mr. Netanyahu, who did not publicly reveal the details and seemed to back away from some of them after Mr. Biden’s statement last Friday.

Both in Jerusalem and Washington, Mr. Netanyahu is widely seen as highly aware that an end to the conflict could easily result in his being swept from office — especially once investigations began into how Israel ignored evidence of the Oct. 7 terror attack that killed nearly 1,200 Israelis, and how slowly Israel’s defense forces responded. Street protests against him have begun to gather momentum again, seven months after the attack.

[...]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/04/world/israel-gaza-war-hamas/biden-says-there-is-every-reason-to-believe-netanyahu-is-prolonging-the-war-for-political-reasons

[Red Velvet]

It blows my mind that stuff like this is NEVER reported on this forum:

London warns Beirut that Israel will launch offensive during the middle of June

Britain has warned Lebanon that Israel will launch a large-scale offensive in mid-June whose extent and duration are not known, and advised Beirut to “make the necessary provisions for the war,” according to the Lebanese news outlet al-Akhbar.

Al-Akhbar is affiliated with Hezbollah, the terror group that has launched daily attacks on northern Israel since the start of the war in Gaza in October.

In recent days, diplomats from various countries have warned Lebanese officials of an imminent escalation by the IDF, and have underscored that the threat is serious, al-Akhbar reports.

The paper adds that Nabih Berri, the speaker of Lebanon’s parliament and a Hezbollah ally, received a phone call from US special envoy Amos Hochstein last week. Hochstein reportedly told Berri that the US intends to continue negotiations “to achieve a solution” on the Israel-Lebanon border and to reach a ceasefire in Gaza, and after that, talks will begin on the outstanding points between Israel and Lebanon.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It blows my mind that stuff like this is NEVER reported on this forum:

London warns Beirut that Israel will launch offensive during the middle of June

Britain has warned Lebanon that Israel will launch a large-scale offensive in mid-June whose extent and duration are not known, and advised Beirut to “make the necessary provisions for the war,” according to the Lebanese news outlet al-Akhbar.

Al-Akhbar is affiliated with Hezbollah, the terror group that has launched daily attacks on northern Israel since the start of the war in Gaza in October.

In recent days, diplomats from various countries have warned Lebanese officials of an imminent escalation by the IDF, and have underscored that the threat is serious, al-Akhbar reports.

The paper adds that Nabih Berri, the speaker of Lebanon’s parliament and a Hezbollah ally, received a phone call from US special envoy Amos Hochstein last week. Hochstein reportedly told Berri that the US intends to continue negotiations “to achieve a solution” on the Israel-Lebanon border and to reach a ceasefire in Gaza, and after that, talks will begin on the outstanding points between Israel and Lebanon.

...According to a Hezbollah-affiliated news outlet in Lebanon claiming that they were informed by Britain.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

It blows my mind that stuff like this is NEVER reported on this forum:

London warns Beirut that Israel will launch offensive during the middle of June

Britain has warned Lebanon that Israel will launch a large-scale offensive in mid-June whose extent and duration are not known, and advised Beirut to “make the necessary provisions for the war,” according to the Lebanese news outlet al-Akhbar.

Al-Akhbar is affiliated with Hezbollah, the terror group that has launched daily attacks on northern Israel since the start of the war in Gaza in October.

In recent days, diplomats from various countries have warned Lebanese officials of an imminent escalation by the IDF, and have underscored that the threat is serious, al-Akhbar reports.

The paper adds that Nabih Berri, the speaker of Lebanon’s parliament and a Hezbollah ally, received a phone call from US special envoy Amos Hochstein last week. Hochstein reportedly told Berri that the US intends to continue negotiations “to achieve a solution” on the Israel-Lebanon border and to reach a ceasefire in Gaza, and after that, talks will begin on the outstanding points between Israel and Lebanon.

Imagine actually believing this

[pppolitics]

The Israeli Injustice Complex

[...]

Occupation laws are not unusual, historically speaking. However, these laws have been in effect for decades, which is quite unusual. The laws imposed by a more democratic occupier would be designed to keep order, to set an example of what the law ought to be, and to smooth out the rough edges of occupation. Israel’s laws do the opposite. Their prime purpose is to support the jailers, leading inevitably to the violence and bone-breaking reprisals we have witnessed, to even more resentment from Palestinians, and to the chaos that inevitably results from the lawless exercise of power. The Geneva Convention requires that courts in occupied territories be nonpolitical. It sets forth the rights of defendants and the obligations of the government. Israel’s court system totally ignores these requirements.

[...]

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/israel-palestine-occupation-gaza/

[pppolitics]

Slovenia recognizes a Palestinian state, and new fighting flares in central Gaza

Slovenia is the latest European country to recognize a Palestinian state. The country’s parliament voted Tuesday in support of the move, following in the recent steps of Spain, Ireland and Norway.

Slovenia’s prime minister has said he sped up efforts to recognize a State of Palestine in reaction to Israel’s expanding invasion of the southern Gaza city of Rafah. The monthlong offensive has largely cut off the flow of food, medicine and other supplies to Palestinians who are facing widespread hunger.

In central Gaza, the Israeli military said Tuesday that its troops backed by airstrikes have launched a ground operation into the Bureij refugee camp. Local hospital officials say a strike in the urban camp killed 11 Palestinians, including three children and a woman.

[...]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-rafah-latest-06-04-2024-e7d4ee5898fe223e224a9e0fc059a452