Israel-Gaza war

[Hindsight was 2020]

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

That would simply END the ICC once and for all, with mass defections.

Which I am very in favor of, as a nationalist. It’s just fun to watch that the same people here (not referring to you, I am talking about red avis) posing as liberal internationalists only when it’s on THEIR national interests - ie: Putin being condemned - and then suddenly turning against international institutions whenever it’s NOT, like Netanyahu being condemned.

I’ve said this before, but we’re not in XX century anymore. USA will be forced to choose between being an interventionist + internationalist power or a non-interventionist + nationalist power.

World is becoming way more decentralized for it to successfully maintain its natural instinct of interventionist + nationalist without expecting major setbacks in return. And it’s becoming more and more clear that all of you guys - not just Trumpists, but Democrats too - will eventually choose to give up on your internationalist prestige first (and which gives you credibility that allows for interventionism) in order to protect national interests.

I'm not a nationalist by any means, but yeah "liberal internationalism is good until it no longer is". That's very much true. This forum (or portions of this forum) can be ridicilously hypocrite sometimes.

Probably everyone cheered the decision to issue a warrant for Putin, but now that one has been issued for Netanyahu we even hear calls here to ignore it, and that nations that decide not to ignore it Israel should declare war against.

You can't even make this up anymore. The credibility some had is completely gone and the shamelessness of some users is just hilarious to watch.

Unlike people like me who has stand morally consistent on both conflicts so I can hate all of you hypocrites 😊

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

The ICC is antisemitic. Bernie Sanders is antisemitic. Everyone is antisemitic.

I hate Netanyahu and the last 20 years of Israeli leadership, but I will defend his bloodthirsty policies because not defending Israel is antisemitic.

Imagine actually believing anyone in this thread said anything like this

Yes, you do.

No, I didn’t, but thanks for playing

You have called anyone who disagrees with you antisemitist.

You have called

Rashida Tlaib
Jeremy Corbyn
the state of Belgium
International Criminal Court
Amnesty International
The user PSOL
amongst several others

antisemitist.

It's the only word you can use for defense whenever someone rightfully accuses Israel of commiting war crimes. And you continue to call for people to ignore international organisations and institutions and to attempt to delegitimize them.

No, I haven’t lol.  I haven’t even called everyone on your list anti-Semitic.  I don’t believe I’ve called the ICC anti-Semitic (stupid, useless, and acting in bad-faith, sure; I won’t deny having a low opinion of the ICC in general, but that long predates the current Gaza conflict) nor the nation of Belgium.  The others on your list are anti-Semitic to one degree or another anti-Semitic.  

The ICC is antisemitic. Bernie Sanders is antisemitic. Everyone is antisemitic.

I hate Netanyahu and the last 20 years of Israeli leadership, but I will defend his bloodthirsty policies because not defending Israel is antisemitic.

Imagine actually believing anyone in this thread said anything like this

Yes, you do.

No, I didn’t, but thanks for playing

The point is people like you and Ray use the term far too broadly, and operate with a guilty until proven innocent mindset when anything involving Israel comes up.

That must be why I’ve repeatedly argued that Israel has been committing crimes against humanity in the West Bank for over a decade.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

That would simply END the ICC once and for all, with mass defections.

Which I am very in favor of, as a nationalist. It’s just fun to watch that the same people here (not referring to you, I am talking about red avis) posing as liberal internationalists only when it’s on THEIR national interests - ie: Putin being condemned - and then suddenly turning against international institutions whenever it’s NOT, like Netanyahu being condemned.

I’ve said this before, but we’re not in XX century anymore. USA will be forced to choose between being an interventionist + internationalist power or a non-interventionist + nationalist power.

World is becoming way more decentralized for it to successfully maintain its natural instinct of interventionist + nationalist without expecting major setbacks in return. And it’s becoming more and more clear that all of you guys - not just Trumpists, but Democrats too - will eventually choose to give up on your internationalist prestige first (and which gives you credibility that allows for interventionism) in order to protect national interests.

I'm not a nationalist by any means, but yeah "liberal internationalism is good until it no longer is". That's very much true. This forum (or portions of this forum) can be ridicilously hypocrite sometimes.

Probably everyone cheered the decision to issue a warrant for Putin, but now that one has been issued for Netanyahu we even hear calls here to ignore it, and that nations that decide not to ignore it Israel should declare war against.

You can't even make this up anymore. The credibility some had is completely gone and the shamelessness of some users is just hilarious to watch.

Unlike people like me who has stand morally consistent on both conflicts so I can hate all of you hypocrites 😊

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Explain your positions (and from the beginning) and what you think i am?

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

Please, by all means, if you want to save your beloved Bibi from being held accountable, by all means go enlist in his own personal bodyguard then.

It's clear you people only care about international law only when it suits y'all's agenda.

(and yes, I know OSR you don't give a f**k about international law in the first place)

[Rubensim]

Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

Please, by all means, if you want to save your beloved Bibi from being held accountable, by all means go enlist in his own personal bodyguard then. If stopping Bibi from being arrested is that important to y'all, then frankly what's stopping y'all from doing it?

It's clear you people only care about international law only when it suits y'all's agenda.

Well it realpolitik stuff and I don't think Israel or the dutch with it pro-israeli government gonna allow him to get trialed at the hague.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

That would simply END the ICC once and for all, with mass defections.

Which I am very in favor of, as a nationalist. It’s just fun to watch that the same people here (not referring to you, I am talking about red avis) posing as liberal internationalists only when it’s on THEIR national interests - ie: Putin being condemned - and then suddenly turning against international institutions whenever it’s NOT, like Netanyahu being condemned.

I’ve said this before, but we’re not in XX century anymore. USA will be forced to choose between being an interventionist + internationalist power or a non-interventionist + nationalist power.

World is becoming way more decentralized for it to successfully maintain its natural instinct of interventionist + nationalist without expecting major setbacks in return. And it’s becoming more and more clear that all of you guys - not just Trumpists, but Democrats too - will eventually choose to give up on your internationalist prestige first (and which gives you credibility that allows for interventionism) in order to protect national interests.

I'm not a nationalist by any means, but yeah "liberal internationalism is good until it no longer is". That's very much true. This forum (or portions of this forum) can be ridicilously hypocrite sometimes.

Probably everyone cheered the decision to issue a warrant for Putin, but now that one has been issued for Netanyahu we even hear calls here to ignore it, and that nations that decide not to ignore it Israel should declare war against.

You can't even make this up anymore. The credibility some had is completely gone and the shamelessness of some users is just hilarious to watch.

Unlike people like me who has stand morally consistent on both conflicts so I can hate all of you hypocrites 😊

?

Explain your positions (and from the beginning) and what you think i am?

That wasn’t necessarily a dig at you personally as I have no idea what your thoughts on the Russo-Ukraine war are just a more general vent.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

That would simply END the ICC once and for all, with mass defections.

Which I am very in favor of, as a nationalist. It’s just fun to watch that the same people here (not referring to you, I am talking about red avis) posing as liberal internationalists only when it’s on THEIR national interests - ie: Putin being condemned - and then suddenly turning against international institutions whenever it’s NOT, like Netanyahu being condemned.

I’ve said this before, but we’re not in XX century anymore. USA will be forced to choose between being an interventionist + internationalist power or a non-interventionist + nationalist power.

World is becoming way more decentralized for it to successfully maintain its natural instinct of interventionist + nationalist without expecting major setbacks in return. And it’s becoming more and more clear that all of you guys - not just Trumpists, but Democrats too - will eventually choose to give up on your internationalist prestige first (and which gives you credibility that allows for interventionism) in order to protect national interests.

I'm not a nationalist by any means, but yeah "liberal internationalism is good until it no longer is". That's very much true. This forum (or portions of this forum) can be ridicilously hypocrite sometimes.

Probably everyone cheered the decision to issue a warrant for Putin, but now that one has been issued for Netanyahu we even hear calls here to ignore it, and that nations that decide not to ignore it Israel should declare war against.

You can't even make this up anymore. The credibility some had is completely gone and the shamelessness of some users is just hilarious to watch.

Unlike people like me who has stand morally consistent on both conflicts so I can hate all of you hypocrites 😊

?

Explain your positions (and from the beginning) and what you think i am?

That wasn’t necessarily a dig at you personally as I have no idea what your thoughts on the Russo-Ukraine war are just a more general vent.

Yeah it seems like there's some confusion on my Russo-Ukraine war because some users really like to frame me as Pro-Russia for whatever reasons in an attempt to smear or delegitimize me.

I'm Pro-Ukraine, you'll not find a single post where i approve of Russia's invasion against Ukraine, period.

[Silent Hunter]

https://twitter.com/AshlarRob/status/1792537990616514738

Hamas have rejected the warrants though. Netanyahu should definitely face trial for his crimes; Israel has a right to defend itself, but they have really gone too far.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

Please, by all means, if you want to save your beloved Bibi from being held accountable, by all means go enlist in his own personal bodyguard then.

It's clear you people only care about international law only when it suits y'all's agenda.

(and yes, I know OSR you don't give a f**k about international law in the first place)

OSR is an American nationalist in the first place, above that of being a conservative. He believes that whatever America is doing, it'll always be the good thing or always be supporting the good cause. It is a very shallow distinction between what he considers good and bad, which solely is based on whether it's America or not. His disdain for Europe and increasing hostility based on how further apart a nation is with the USA culturally tells you all you need to know.

[YE]

Locking as a cooldown since both sides are getting snippy.

[Meclazine for Israel]

One of the most popular politicians on the Atlas forum speaks about these unprecedented ICC charges.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7NsXoct7Y6/

[pppolitics]

I created the Leahy law. It should be applied to Israel.

By Patrick Leahy

In the 1980s and ’90s, the United States gave training, weapons and ammunition to Latin American security forces with a long history of violating human rights. In Guatemala and El Salvador, soldiers trained and equipped by the United States killed hundreds of thousands of civilians with near-total impunity. I conceived and introduced the Leahy law in 1997 because our Latin partners, and security forces in many other countries, were violating the basic principles that the United States stands for, and we were complicit.

Today, people are asking whether the law should apply to Israel.

The law prohibits U.S. aid to any unit of a foreign security force if the secretary of state has “credible information” the unit has committed a gross violation of human rights: murder, rape, torture, forced disappearance or other flagrant denials of the right to life, liberty and personal security. Aid can resume if the foreign government is taking “effective steps” to bring the responsible members of the unit to justice.

The Leahy law is not a panacea. But it is a vital tool to remind foreign officials — and our own — that American taxpayers do not want to fund human rights violations. Faced since its passage with repeated arguments that “engagement” with foreign forces is essential and that human rights problems are the result of “a few bad apples,” I have responded, in effect: “Let’s agree not to arm and train the worst bad apples until our partners clean them up.” This is hardly a pie-in-the-sky standard. In fact, it is a bare minimum about which there should be no disagreement.

Over the years, the Leahy law has been applied to many countries, and secretaries of state and defense of both political parties have affirmed its importance as a practical and effective tool to shield the United States from involvement in horrific crimes and to build forces that respect human rights and the laws of armed conflict. But while the Leahy law applies the same requirements to every country, it has not always been equally enforced. Israel, among the largest recipients of U.S. military aid, is a glaring example.

Beginning in the early 2000s, I wrote to successive secretaries of state about the failure to apply the Leahy law to Israel. The responses were either inconclusive or inaccurately claimed the law was being applied to Israel the same as to other countries, which the State Department continues to insist today.

[...]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/20/israel-leahy-human-rights-aid/

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1792891809498022385?t=IPpsDa69WlKIhX95i4...
Israeli cabinet ministers openly advocating for apartheid but forum members still trying to pretend these are fringe/unimportant figures who deserve the worlds support and aid.

[Rubensim]

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1792891809498022385?t=IPpsDa69WlKIhX95i4...
Israeli cabinet ministers openly advocating for apartheid but forum members still trying to pretend these are fringe/unimportant figures who deserve the worlds support and aid.

You know i agree with Ben-Gvir points about how Israel should only control Gaza and occupy it, i don't agree with a little bit of his other points especially so called voluntary migration but i do think Israel need to occupy Gaza and do some intense De-Hamasification just like Denazification you know?.

[pppolitics]

Israeli government shuts down Associated Press live shot of Gaza, seizes equipment

CNN — The Associated Press on Tuesday said Israeli authorities had shut down its live camera feed showing Gaza and seized its equipment in what it decried as an “abusive use by the Israeli government of the country’s new foreign broadcasters law.”

“The Associated Press decries in the strongest terms the actions of the Israeli government,” the non-profit news collective said in a statement. “We urge the Israeli authorities to return our equipment and enable us to reinstate our live feed immediately so we can continue to provide this important visual journalism to thousands of media outlets around the world.”

The Israeli military regularly classifies areas around Gaza as “closed military zones,” restricting movement there. The AP’s live feed provided a view of actions in Gaza, where no independent journalists are able to operate because of Israeli and Egyptian restrictions on entry to the strip.

The Associated Press did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment, but the Foreign Press Association did voice its alarm about the shutdown and confiscation.

“Israel’s move today is a slippery slope. Israel could block other international news agencies from providing live footage of Gaza. It also could allow Israel to block media coverage of virtually any news event on vague security grounds,” the FPA said in a statement.

The move comes weeks after Israel shut down Al Jazeera’s operations in the country, raiding the news outlet’s offices and seizing its communication equipment, prompting swift condemnation from the United Nations and rights groups over Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s moves to restrict press freedoms.

[...]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/21/media/israel-gaza-live-camera-shut-down/index.html

[KaiserDave]

The Leahy law should be applied strenuously to Israel. At this point I am emphatically opposed to any weapons sales to Israel with the exception of the Iron Dome as a purely defensive live saving exigent.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1792891809498022385?t=IPpsDa69WlKIhX95i4...
Israeli cabinet ministers openly advocating for apartheid but forum members still trying to pretend these are fringe/unimportant figures who deserve the worlds support and aid.

You know i agree with Ben-Gvir points about how Israel should only control Gaza and occupy it, i don't agree with a little bit of his other points especially so called voluntary migration but i do think Israel need to occupy Gaza and do some intense De-Hamasification just like Denazification you know?.

Only if Israel get's de-kahanized and de-likudized first.

One growing extremist, religious power shouldn't be in control of 'deradicalizing' another that they've had a direct hand in propagating.

[Rubensim]

I feel like Gvir have already tied himself to Israel enough so that  when leftist think of Israel now there going to think of Gvir and Bibi and Gaza
So This might have turned Israel into a partisan-issues in the USA.

[Silent Hunter]

Yes, Israel is a nuclear power, but that didn't deter Hamas. Terrorist activity doesn't do wonders for your economy, as Northern Ireland demonstrates.

Hamas' goals may be a pipe dream, but that doesn't meant the fear isn't real.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

The only situation where Israel's existence would be in question would be if the Israelis themselves destroyed their international support. South Africa was a nuclear power but all the nukes in the world couldn't stop the economic impact of boycotts, divestments and sanctions.

The only real power Hamas has is to provoke Israel into making stupid, self destructive decisions.

[Silent Hunter]

Not to mention the American stuff about the Japanese. Dehumanising the enemy is seen as essential for armed groups because their members will be reluctant to kill them otherwise.

[lfromnj]

Not to mention the American stuff about the Japanese. Dehumanising the enemy is seen as essential for armed groups because their members will be reluctant to kill them otherwise.

Were you replying to my post ? Idk it just got deleted for some reason?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

There is indeed an ugly dehumanization of Palestinian people from some segments of the human race during this war.
Introspection is something not too many like to do.

[TheReckoning]

The death toll lately has barely increased. What’s going on on the ground right now?

[GP270watch]

https://twitter.com/IntlCrimCourt/status/1792511246769570084