Israel-Gaza war

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UN expert finds reasonable claims to genocide acts in Gaza, according to Al Jazarra.

The UN special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, Francesca Albanese, writes in her report to the UN Security Council – which was released at the same time as the Gaza resolution vote – that “Israel’s genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure”.

“For over seven decades this process has suffocated the Palestinian people as a group – demographically, culturally, economically and politically – seeking to displace it and expropriate and control its land and resources. The ongoing Nakba must be stopped and remedied once and for all.”

The UN report finds that “there are reasonable grounds to believe” that the threshold for several genocidal acts against Palestinians is met: killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction.

“Israel has de facto treated an entire protected group and its life-sustaining infrastructure as ‘terrorist’ or ‘terrorist-supporting’, thus transforming everything and everyone into either a target or collateral damage, hence killable or destroyable,” says the report.

Albanese is one of the most infamously antisemitic diplomats to work at the UN since Waldheim.

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The UN finally managed to pass a ceasefire résolution as the US abstained. Though it did make it much less radical than some supporters of Palestine would've liked.

Doing this in the middle of cease-fire/hostage release negotiations was incredibly stupid, and likely by design by the sponsors. Israel has already pulled delegations from a meeting with Biden.

This is the first time in a long while that the Israelis aren't just given a blank check to do whatever they please from us, and they're still throwing a tantrum despite getting their way 99% of the time. Don't you think they're acting like spoiled brats??

If the US wants leverage over Israel - under any Israeli government - they should probably not be taking it to the UN Security Council during an existential war.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

UN expert finds reasonable claims to genocide acts in Gaza, according to Al Jazarra.

The UN special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, Francesca Albanese, writes in her report to the UN Security Council – which was released at the same time as the Gaza resolution vote – that “Israel’s genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler colonial process of erasure”.

“For over seven decades this process has suffocated the Palestinian people as a group – demographically, culturally, economically and politically – seeking to displace it and expropriate and control its land and resources. The ongoing Nakba must be stopped and remedied once and for all.”

The UN report finds that “there are reasonable grounds to believe” that the threshold for several genocidal acts against Palestinians is met: killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm and deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction.

“Israel has de facto treated an entire protected group and its life-sustaining infrastructure as ‘terrorist’ or ‘terrorist-supporting’, thus transforming everything and everyone into either a target or collateral damage, hence killable or destroyable,” says the report.

Albanese is one of the most infamously antisemitic diplomats to work at the UN since Waldheim.

She’s a 10/7 apologist.  Not just a Hamas apologist, but specifically regarding what happened on 10/7/23.

[Silent Hunter]

She’s a 10/7 apologist.  Not just a Hamas apologist, but specifically regarding what happened on 10/7/23.

Here's what she said.

[Beet]

The UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for an immediate and permanent cease-fire. Something I was told was impossible on this Forum. It feels like a seminal moment.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for an immediate and permanent cease-fire. Something I was told was impossible on this Forum. It feels like a seminal moment.

It's non-binding and both sides have immediately made clear they have no intention of abiding by it, so in the end I guess it was.

[Beet]

The UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for an immediate and permanent cease-fire. Something I was told was impossible on this Forum. It feels like a seminal moment.

It's non-binding and both sides have immediately made clear they have no intention of abiding by it, so in the end I guess it was.

"Israel is not going to do it" does not mean it is impossible. The UN Security Council apparently agrees with me and disagrees with you and the other Biden supporters here.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

The UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for an immediate and permanent cease-fire. Something I was told was impossible on this Forum. It feels like a seminal moment.

It's non-binding and both sides have immediately made clear they have no intention of abiding by it, so in the end I guess it was.

"Israel is not going to do it" does not mean it is impossible. The UN Security Council apparently agrees with me and disagrees with you and the other Biden supporters here.

Hamas isn't going to do it either.

In all seriousness, there are apparently two tiers of Security Council resolutions - ones that come with threat of sanction and ones that don't. The US would only agree to pass the latter, while Russia at the last second tried to convert it to the former.

[jojoju1998]

The UN Security Council has passed a resolution calling for an immediate and permanent cease-fire. Something I was told was impossible on this Forum. It feels like a seminal moment.

It's non-binding and both sides have immediately made clear they have no intention of abiding by it, so in the end I guess it was.

"Israel is not going to do it" does not mean it is impossible. The UN Security Council apparently agrees with me and disagrees with you and the other Biden supporters here.

Hamas isn't going to do it either.

In all seriousness, there are apparently two tiers of Security Council resolutions - ones that come with threat of sanction and ones that don't. The US would only agree to pass the latter, while Russia at the last second tried to convert it to the former.

But you're never going to completely crush Hamas. That seems to be the problem. There's an analogy I like to use, imagine all the ants, crawling in your home, and the only tool you have is a baseball bat, and in your efforts to kill the ants, you demolish your home, but the ants are still going to come.

That's where Israel is right now.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Hopefully those of us who care about the tragedy going on in Gaza in this country actually wake up and realize that something like this would have never happened under Trump, and vote.

Again and again, with some reservation, I continue to be impressed by the thread of moderation Biden has managed to weave on our biggest foreign policy issues, from the Afghanistan withdraw, to support for Ukraine /w a hard line against direct intervention and multiple groundbreaking admonishments and breaks with Israel, that would've been unthinkable even a few months ago.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Hopefully those of us who care about the tragedy going on in Gaza in this country actually wake up and realize that something like this would have never happened under Trump, and vote.

Again and again, with some reservation, I continue to be impressed by the thread of moderation Biden has managed to weave on our biggest foreign policy issues, from the Afghanistan withdraw, to support for Ukraine /w a hard line against direct intervention and multiple groundbreaking admonishments and breaks with Israel, that would've been unthinkable even a few months ago.

I appreciate this but you still have a Marianne Williamson banner in every single post you make on this blog.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Hopefully those of us who care about the tragedy going on in Gaza in this country actually wake up and realize that something like this would have never happened under Trump, and vote.

Again and again, with some reservation, I continue to be impressed by the thread of moderation Biden has managed to weave on our biggest foreign policy issues, from the Afghanistan withdraw, to support for Ukraine /w a hard line against direct intervention and multiple groundbreaking admonishments and breaks with Israel, that would've been unthinkable even a few months ago.

I appreciate this but you still have a Marianne Williamson banner in every single post you make on this blog.

Afaik you can only have a banner for the endorsement you made in the 'Atlas primary'?

In any case, I also voted for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020, and then still backed the eventual nominee. I'm a 'Socialist in theory' and a Progressive pragmatically, so I try to push the party towards those wings, but my support for Marianne was more tongue in cheek than anything and to buck the 'crystal mommy' nonsense that she always unfairly received and the fact that she was the only candidate with a platform that pretty thoroughly aligned with my beliefs.

I was always certain that Biden would be the nominee, and yes, I will vote to hold the line against the much worse alternative, as cliche and hum-drum as that's become.

[politicallefty]

This seems like something extraordinary. When was the last time the US refrained to use veto power on an issue regarding Israel?

[Agafin]

This seems like something extraordinary. When was the last time the US refrained to use veto power on an issue regarding Israel?

It was in 2016, a UN resolution condemning the settlements in the West bank and the US also abstained just like now. I remember it very well because it was the year I started following US politics. Obama was already a lame duck at that point as it was shortly after Trump's election. Netanyahu was pissed and Trump made it clear he'd reverse it once inaugurated.

[politicallefty]

This seems like something extraordinary. When was the last time the US refrained to use veto power on an issue regarding Israel?

It was in 2016, a UN resolution condemning the settlements in the West bank and the US also abstained just like now. I remember it very well because it was the year I started following US politics. Obama was already a lame duck at that point as it was shortly after Trump's election. Netanyahu was pissed and Trump made it clear he'd reverse it once inaugurated.

Obama and Netanyahu were certainly not on the friendliest of terms. What about when Netanyahu was not in the picture?

[CumbrianLefty]

Those saying this resolution being passed "means nothing" because fighting hasn't stopped yet, rather miss the point. What has just happened is a pretty big deal.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Those saying this resolution being passed "means nothing" because fighting hasn't stopped yet, rather miss the point. What has just happened is a pretty big deal.

Not really?

[Pres Mike]

Here are my thoughts...

A ceasefire is unlikely from both sides. Netanyahu doesn't want a 6 week ceasefire, because the international pressure to make it permenant will be the most Israel ever experienced. Netanyahu needs to defeat Hamas to maintain in power. Even if Netanyahu somehow agreed to a 6 week ceasefire, why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire while the IDF still controls Gazan cities? Hamas won't agree to an agreement where they turn over hostages yet Israel remains in a position to take Rafah after 6 weeks.

The best case scenario would be for Hamas to be allowed to flee Gaza for a third country, allowing for the Palestinian Authority to take over. I suspect the US is secretly pushing for this. The only alternatives would be an Israeli assult on Rafah, which will easily result in 100k dead Palestinians or Israel withdraws from Gaza. But this is unlikely. Why would Hamas agree to leave? Unlike the PLO in 1988, they have no hope of ever returning. Most Hamas fighters are unmarried men. Family is very important in the Muslim world, these men would be giving up the chance to get married and have kids. Netanyahu needs a solid victory, allowing Hamas to flee isn't that.

There are two likely scenarios

1. Israel invades Rafah, causing mass international outrage but finally defeats Hamas. But destroys their relationship with the US

2. The US informs Israel that a Rafah invasion means no more aide and destroying their special relationship. Netanyahu no longer cares but the rest of the Israeli government decides to remove him from power to prevent scenario 1 from happening

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Here are my thoughts...

A ceasefire is unlikely from both sides. Netanyahu doesn't want a 6 week ceasefire, because the international pressure to make it permenant will be the most Israel ever experienced. Netanyahu needs to defeat Hamas to maintain in power. Even if Netanyahu somehow agreed to a 6 week ceasefire, why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire while the IDF still controls Gazan cities? Hamas won't agree to an agreement where they turn over hostages yet Israel remains in a position to take Rafah after 6 weeks.

The best case scenario would be for Hamas to be allowed to flee Gaza for a third country, allowing for the Palestinian Authority to take over. I suspect the US is secretly pushing for this. The only alternatives would be an Israeli assult on Rafah, which will easily result in 100k dead Palestinians or Israel withdraws from Gaza. But this is unlikely. Why would Hamas agree to leave? Unlike the PLO in 1988, they have no hope of ever returning. Most Hamas fighters are unmarried men. Family is very important in the Muslim world, these men would be giving up the chance to get married and have kids. Netanyahu needs a solid victory, allowing Hamas to flee isn't that.

There are two likely scenarios

1. Israel invades Rafah, causing mass international outrage but finally defeats Hamas. But destroys their relationship with the US

2. The US informs Israel that a Rafah invasion means no more aide and destroying their special relationship. Netanyahu no longer cares but the rest of the Israeli government decides to remove him from power to prevent scenario 1 from happening

There is no universe where Israel attacking Rafah destroys its relationship with the US.  They would be a response, but the US and Israel would definitely remain major allies

[Pres Mike]

Here are my thoughts...

A ceasefire is unlikely from both sides. Netanyahu doesn't want a 6 week ceasefire, because the international pressure to make it permenant will be the most Israel ever experienced. Netanyahu needs to defeat Hamas to maintain in power. Even if Netanyahu somehow agreed to a 6 week ceasefire, why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire while the IDF still controls Gazan cities? Hamas won't agree to an agreement where they turn over hostages yet Israel remains in a position to take Rafah after 6 weeks.

The best case scenario would be for Hamas to be allowed to flee Gaza for a third country, allowing for the Palestinian Authority to take over. I suspect the US is secretly pushing for this. The only alternatives would be an Israeli assult on Rafah, which will easily result in 100k dead Palestinians or Israel withdraws from Gaza. But this is unlikely. Why would Hamas agree to leave? Unlike the PLO in 1988, they have no hope of ever returning. Most Hamas fighters are unmarried men. Family is very important in the Muslim world, these men would be giving up the chance to get married and have kids. Netanyahu needs a solid victory, allowing Hamas to flee isn't that.

There are two likely scenarios

1. Israel invades Rafah, causing mass international outrage but finally defeats Hamas. But destroys their relationship with the US

2. The US informs Israel that a Rafah invasion means no more aide and destroying their special relationship. Netanyahu no longer cares but the rest of the Israeli government decides to remove him from power to prevent scenario 1 from happening

There is no universe where Israel attacking Rafah destroys its relationship with the US.  They would be a response, but the US and Israel would definitely remain major allies

I doubt Biden and Netanyahu would be on speaking terms. Same goes for most Democrats. They would remain allies but the relationship wouldn't be the same. Think LBJ and Britain during Vietnam

[100% pro-life no matter what]

There's chaos at my alma mater tonight over the administration apparently canceling some student BDS referendum.  Doesn't seem like we have the full story of what led up to events, but a reporter was also arrested for tresspassing.

https://twitter.com/sfmcguire79/status/1772746929178657153?s=19

https://twitter.com/sfmcguire79/status/1772809758673629347?s=19

https://twitter.com/NashvilleScene/status/1772700392058454389?s=19

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Here are my thoughts...

A ceasefire is unlikely from both sides. Netanyahu doesn't want a 6 week ceasefire, because the international pressure to make it permenant will be the most Israel ever experienced. Netanyahu needs to defeat Hamas to maintain in power. Even if Netanyahu somehow agreed to a 6 week ceasefire, why would Hamas agree to a ceasefire while the IDF still controls Gazan cities? Hamas won't agree to an agreement where they turn over hostages yet Israel remains in a position to take Rafah after 6 weeks.

The best case scenario would be for Hamas to be allowed to flee Gaza for a third country, allowing for the Palestinian Authority to take over. I suspect the US is secretly pushing for this. The only alternatives would be an Israeli assult on Rafah, which will easily result in 100k dead Palestinians or Israel withdraws from Gaza. But this is unlikely. Why would Hamas agree to leave? Unlike the PLO in 1988, they have no hope of ever returning. Most Hamas fighters are unmarried men. Family is very important in the Muslim world, these men would be giving up the chance to get married and have kids. Netanyahu needs a solid victory, allowing Hamas to flee isn't that.

There are two likely scenarios

1. Israel invades Rafah, causing mass international outrage but finally defeats Hamas. But destroys their relationship with the US

2. The US informs Israel that a Rafah invasion means no more aide and destroying their special relationship. Netanyahu no longer cares but the rest of the Israeli government decides to remove him from power to prevent scenario 1 from happening

There is no universe where Israel attacking Rafah destroys its relationship with the US.  They would be a response, but the US and Israel would definitely remain major allies

I doubt Biden and Netanyahu would be on speaking terms. Same goes for most Democrats. They would remain allies but the relationship wouldn't be the same. Think LBJ and Britain during Vietnam

This I agree with, but I also think that as with Britain it would eventually recover.  It was the word “destroy” I took issue with.

[MyLifeIsYours]

Israel violating UN resolution by dropping bombs on Rafah.

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1772780840134553885

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Israel violating UN resolution by dropping bombs on Rafah.

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1772780840134553885

But…but…but Atlas told me the UN resolution was a big deal

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Israel violating UN resolution by dropping bombs on Rafah.

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1772780840134553885

Again, Jews don't acknowledge the UN ordering us to lie down and die quietly. Now or ever.