Israel-Gaza war

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

[Horus]

Just when I didn't think I could appreciate Lula more.

We would be really lucky to have a president as brave and morally upright. He's not great on Russia-Ukraine sure, but as I've said before that's not even in the top 100 issues that matter to the average Brazilian. On domestic policy, he's arguably the most successful left of center leader of a major country this century. True FF.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Benjamin Netanyahu snaps and threatens Lula: “Crossed a Red Line”

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/1759221711403188718

Yeah can't wait for Israel to invade Brazil. What are they gonna do about it

They did something, they just declared Lula “Persona Non Grata” in Israel as a reaction lol.

That’s actually the moment I feel the proudest about my vote tbh, I always saw Lula as someone too weak and conciliatory to buy any fight with literally anyone so him taking a stand on this makes me happy.

Meanwhile, no other global leader joined or supported Israel on this to condemn Lula’s comparison. This is historical and Lula helps move/consolidate the international position on this matter and Brazil as a leadership voice for the Global South.

Imagine being such a rabid and viciously anti-Semitic bigot that Lula’s comment made you “proud.”

[pppolitics]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

That's inverse logic.

By comparing the genocide of the Palestinians to the Holocaust, he just affirmed the Holocaust.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

That's inverse logic.

By comparing the genocide of the Palestinians to the Holocaust, he just affirmed the Holocaust.

No, he didn't. The Holocaust killed 6 million Jews and 13 million people overall in a campaign of industrial extermination. What's happening in Gaza is simple urban conflict in a densely populated location, similar to the fight the Allies conducted against the Nazis.

Therefore, if Lula believes the Holocaust is comparable to Israel's response to Hamas' slaughter, then he must be saying that the Holocaust was not actually a genocide. Ergo, he's a Holocaust denier.

[pppolitics]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

That's inverse logic.

By comparing the genocide of the Palestinians to the Holocaust, he just affirmed the Holocaust.

No, he didn't. The Holocaust killed 6 million Jews and 13 million people overall in a campaign of industrial extermination. What's happening in Gaza is simple urban conflict in a densely populated location, similar to the fight the Allies conducted against the Nazis.

Therefore, if Lula believes the Holocaust is comparable to Israel's response to Hamas' slaughter, then he must be saying that the Holocaust was not actually a genocide. Ergo, he's a Holocaust denier.

Carpet bombing is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.

That doesn't mean that it is genocide.

According to the Genocide Convention, genocide requires an "intent".

Fortunately, Israeli officials can't shut up about their genocidal intent.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Steven Spielberg

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3gVAnuJUFV/

The guy is looking to make a documentary on the October 7 rapes, murders and kidnappings.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Steven Spielberg

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3gVAnuJUFV/

The guy is looking to make a documentary on the October 7 rapes, murders and kidnappings.

Yep. A particularly odious Corbynist was trying to gin up a boycott against him when news of this first broke.

I don't think it can be understated just how much this hardened the spines of liberal Jews worldwide. We get it that they not only expect us not to fight back, but to stand and salute at our own people's murder, or it's back to being unpersons. And no, that's not acceptable and we'd rather go down fighting.

[Upper Canada Tory]

Lula's comments making an analogy between the Israel-Hamas war and the Holocaust are indicative of his own international irrelevance. The best thing to do is to ignore him. Making a big deal about it will give him attention and weight he doesn't deserve. Just accept he is a Putin stooge and an Ayatollah stooge and move on.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Update on Bibas Family

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3i6oTQvh1r/

Who kidnap's babies?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

"What is happening in the Gaza Strip with the Palestinian people has no parallel in other historical moments" is the really concerning quote from Lula here, and is significantly worse than making the comparison itself. He's trying to muscle this into some sort of "gruesome twosome" position with the Holocaust above all other genocides. I'm sure some people will try to claim that this choice of framing has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the people currently flattening Gaza are Jewish, but, well, there's a sucker born every minute.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://www.reuters.com/world/brazil-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-talks-local-media-2024-02-19/

Israel should probably begin referring to Lula as a Holocaust denier and cut off diplomatic relations with the country at this point.

Even my most racist dumbass neighbours or work colleagues would not make that comparison. That is disgusting.

Yet this guy is a head of state.

Well you're allowed to post your racist drivel about black and brown people freely without consequence.

Meclazine isn't the otherwise well-regarded head of state of an emerging power.

[Frodo]

Lula should concentrate on saving the Amazon (what's left of it, anyways) and by extension the planet, and leave foreign policy to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

What's truly interesting is people get more mad about comparing this to the holocaust then they do about Israel's atrocities.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

What's truly interesting is people get more mad about comparing this to the holocaust then they do about Israel's atrocities.

I'm mad about both.

[patzer]

What's truly interesting is people get more mad about comparing this to the holocaust then they do about Israel's atrocities.

Yes, blatantly antisemitic false accusations are broadly speaking rather upsetting.

Not to mention that it's entirely unreasonable to hold Israel to blame for civilian deaths in Gaza given that they've happened thanks to a combination of Hamas installing military installations in civilian places, Hamas encouraging civilians to endanger themselves, Egypt closing the border to prevent refugees from Gaza escaping, and the UNRWA not making any effort over the last twenty years to resettle the millions of refugees in Gaza in longer term homes elsewhere in the world.

On the contrary, the IDF has done their best to minimize civilian casualties, via warnings before airstrikes, the designation of safe areas for civilians to congregate, and so on. The fact that only 20k or so people have died in Gaza despite Hamas's attempts to maximize civilian deaths in an attempt to turn international opinion against Israel, when the IDF could quite easily have killed many hundreds of thousands if it had had a desire to bomb indiscriminately without any care for civilian casualties, is testament to how well the IDF has actually conducted this operation.

It's very much upsetting to see the scenes in Gaza-  the international community should have led a coalition to oust Hamas years ago to prevent Hamas from harming both Palestinian and Israeli civilians this badly.

[Silent Hunter]

The main risk to civilians at the moment, as it has been in most wars throughout history, is disease and starvation.

[Lord Halifax]

What's truly interesting is people get more mad about comparing this to the holocaust then they do about Israel's atrocities.

hardly surprising, trivializing the holocaust has been the ultimate taboo in Western society since WW2, and comparing 20k dead Palestinians as collateral damage in a war to the industrial scale mass murder of 6 million Jews is both absurd and inherently antisemitic (you need to value Jewish lives far less than Palestinian to make that comparison).

[GeneralMacArthur]

Was watching the Superbowl last weekend and saw San Francisco fans upset that they lost.  Interesting that people get more upset about football than they do about Israel's atrocities.  I didn't see a single 49ers fan shedding any tears for the mosque Israel bombed the other day.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Was watching the Superbowl last weekend and saw San Francisco fans upset that they lost.  Interesting that people get more upset about football than they do about Israel's atrocities.  I didn't see a single 49ers fan shedding any tears for the mosque Israel bombed the other day.

Most people don't want to know. To be honest, they have been fighting since..... well, decades.

And after a while, it does become a bit of a lost cause where you can only sit back and watch. Not one person in this thread has solved anything that will change the course or direction of hostilities.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Avichai's Story

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3gcNiDxL3L/

[Open Source Intelligence]

https://warontherocks.com/2024/02/hamas-is-returning-to-northern-gaza-because-israel-has-no-plan-for-the-day-after/

"Hamas is Returning to Northern Gaza because Israel has No Plan for the Day After"

[Horus]

https://warontherocks.com/2024/02/hamas-is-returning-to-northern-gaza-because-israel-has-no-plan-for-the-day-after/

"Hamas is Returning to Northern Gaza because Israel has No Plan for the Day After"

Shocking.

[Open Source Intelligence]

https://warontherocks.com/2024/02/hamas-is-returning-to-northern-gaza-because-israel-has-no-plan-for-the-day-after/

"Hamas is Returning to Northern Gaza because Israel has No Plan for the Day After"

Shocking.

I suggest people read it than just look at the title, but pretty much Israel per Vosem wants to completely eliminate Hamas. Well Hamas whether you like them or not were the de facto government in Gaza. So what's the governing authority that is going to replace them? The Palestinian Authority are not present. Israel has no interest in this question or in administrating Gaza, so for that reason Hamas are going to inevitably return to civil control.

[CumbrianLefty]

Lula should concentrate on saving the Amazon (what's left of it, anyways) and by extension the planet, and leave foreign policy to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

On this, we agree.