Israel-Gaza war

[MasterJedi]

https://twitter.com/joetruzman/status/1724579218024214610?s=12
At this point I just hope this ends sooner than later 😕

I see three scenarios:

1. Bibi is forced out of power and there is a ceasefire.

2. Foreign pressure and pulling of resources gets Israel to pull back.

3. They continue regardless and fully clear out Gaza and annex it. This is what the hard right wants so they’re trying to draw that line to avoid option 2.

[Red Velvet]

I see a lot of anti-Westerners post about this picture of this gay soldier with the rainbow flag as if Israel is some sort of monolith and as if everyone in Israel is solely focused on some sort of monolithic propaganda effort.

Have I got news for those people: it's a country with over 9 million people with an extremely wide range of political and religious views, so much so that it caused crippling polarization even within Jewish Israeli society before this war started. It's also a country in which, while as safe and gay-friendly as many European countries if not more, gay people cannot marry. People need to understand a statement like this is more likely to be intended for the domestic audience - 'look at us doing our part, now we deserve equal marriage rights too' - than for an international audience in some sort of cynical way.

It's striking how many people are conditioned to think any statement from any Israeli must a) represent all of Israel's 'real, hidden' views and b) are all aimed at an international audience; especially when these people seem to be able to think more reasonably about these things when it comes to any other country.

News for you, THIS is the text of the tweet where the photo was posted:

LIBERATION🏳️‍🌈THE FIRST EVER PRIDE FLAG RAISED IN GAZA!

Under Hamas, being gay means death. Israeli Yoav Atzmoni wanted to send a message of hope. See his story below.

To Gaza’s hidden LGBTQ+ community: STAY HOPEFUL of a future where you can live and love free of Hamas!

“To Gaza”. Gaza is literally mentioned all across the tweet. So this line of it being directed to internal Israeli audiences in order to legalize gay marriage simply doesn’t stick in the context the photo is being used as propaganda to the outside audiences in order to try to highlight some supposed “moral superiority”.

It’s literally the LGBT flag being weaponized for some random 3rd cause propaganda that isn’t about what it represents.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I see a lot of anti-Westerners post about this picture of this gay soldier with the rainbow flag as if Israel is some sort of monolith and as if everyone in Israel is solely focused on some sort of monolithic propaganda effort.

Have I got news for those people: it's a country with over 9 million people with an extremely wide range of political and religious views, so much so that it caused crippling polarization even within Jewish Israeli society before this war started. It's also a country in which, while as safe and gay-friendly as many European countries if not more, gay people cannot marry. People need to understand a statement like this is more likely to be intended for the domestic audience - 'look at us doing our part, now we deserve equal marriage rights too' - than for an international audience in some sort of cynical way.

It's striking how many people are conditioned to think any statement from any Israeli must a) represent all of Israel's 'real, hidden' views and b) are all aimed at an international audience; especially when these people seem to be able to think more reasonably about these things when it comes to any other country.

News for you, THIS is the text of the tweet where the photo was posted:

LIBERATION🏳️‍🌈THE FIRST EVER PRIDE FLAG RAISED IN GAZA!

Under Hamas, being gay means death. Israeli Yoav Atzmoni wanted to send a message of hope. See his story below.

To Gaza’s hidden LGBTQ+ community: STAY HOPEFUL of a future where you can live and love free of Hamas!

“To Gaza”. Gaza is literally mentioned all across the tweet. So this line of it being directed to internal Israeli audiences in order to legalize gay marriage simply doesn’t stick in the context the photo is being used as propaganda to the outside audiences in order to try to highlight some supposed “moral superiority”.

It’s literally the LGBT flag being weaponized for some random 3rd cause propaganda that isn’t about what it represents.

Yes supporting Israel in this conflict is the morally superior position no matter how much your “muh west = bad” belief tells you otherwise .

Palestine and other Islamist nations in the region stopped a two state solution from happening to begin with by attacking Israel in 1948 to try to finish what Hitler started and then sabotaged any hopes for peace for decades afterwards .

If Palestine didn’t sabotage the 1990s peace attempts then maybe there would be a two state solution by now but the fact is the real problem they and other nations in the region have with Israel is it’s a non Islamic nation in the Middle East . Arguing otherwise goes contrary to all actual evidence

[Red Velvet]

Yes supporting Israel in this conflict is the morally superior position no matter how much your “muh west = bad” belief tells you otherwise .

Palestine and other Islamist nations in the region stopped a two state solution from happening to begin with by attacking Israel in 1948 to try to finish what Hitler started and then sabotaged any hopes for peace for decades afterwards .

If Palestine didn’t sabotage the 1990s peace attempts then maybe there would be a two state solution by now but the fact is the real problem they and other nations in the region have with Israel is it’s a non Islamic nation in the Middle East . Arguing otherwise goes contrary to all actual evidence

Hi Kellyanne Conway! Are you helping Trump in his 2nd term?

[pppolitics]

Israel wants to obliterate Gaza to deter Iran, Hezbollah, says Dutch memo

Israel is deliberately using “disproportionate force” in Gaza and targeting “civilian infrastructure” in an effort to limit its own losses and showcase its “military force,” according to a confidential memo from the Dutch Embassy in Tel Aviv.

The memo, drafted by the Dutch defense attaché in the embassy and seen by Dutch outlet NRC, analyzes Israel’s military strategy in Gaza, where Israeli forces have been launching retaliatory airstrikes for over a month straight and conducting a ground invasion, killing more than 11,000 people according to the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza.

The defense attaché said that the Israeli army is using lethal force in an attempt to limit its own losses and “showcase credible military force to show Iran and its proxies [such as Hezbollah] that they will stop at nothing,” NRC reported.

This strategy has the “intention of deliberately causing massive destruction to the infrastructure and civilian centers” in Gaza, targeting houses, bridges and roads, and causing massive civilian casualties, which explains the “high number of deaths” among civilians.

Israel’s approach violates “international treaties and laws of war” and increases the chance of regional escalation, the memo said.

The embassy’s defense attaché also wrote that Israel is trying to completely eliminate the threat of Hamas, a “military goal that is virtually impossible to achieve.” Israel is motivated by revenge, the memo said, as “the emotion and anger reverberate in IDF [Israeli army] briefings.”

[...]

https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-hamas-war-dutch-memo-gaza-disproportionate-force-iran-hezbollah/

[Aurelius2]

OSR vs Red Velvet is alot like the IDF vs Hamas in that I want to see both lose

[Hindsight was 2020]

OSR vs Red Velvet is alot like the IDF vs Hamas in that I want to see both lose

The people blowing up refugee camps aren’t good

[Meclazine for Israel]

NY Times

Israel Kidnapped Soldier, Noa Marciano, 19, confirmed dead after Hamas released video and photos of her body.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostage-video-noa-marciano.html

Hamas on Monday released a video of a 19-year-old Israeli soldier who was captured in the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel that included clips of her speaking early in the conflict and then images of her lifeless body. Hamas said she had been killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza on Thursday.

New York Times also published an article saying their photo-journalists were not involved with Hamas in the Oct 7. Attacks.

NY Times said the fact that they were filming Israeli tanks attacked by Hamas was their job as reporting the truth.

Times of Israel

IDF now entering Shifa Hospital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-medical-teams-arabic-speakers-among-troops-that-entered-gaza-hospital/

The statement also says the Israeli forces that entered the medical center “include medical teams and Arabic speakers, who have undergone specified training to prepare for this complex and sensitive environment, with the intent that no harm is caused to the civilians being used by Hamas as human shields.”

PBS News Hour

https://youtu.be/SwWl8FXmo5Y?t=162

PBS News Hour had a couple of interesting points. But the media is caught itself between two diametrically opposed views.

Once the Hospitals have been taken over in Gaza by Israel, then we should have a clearer picture of what lies beneath them.

In Australia, ABC News Editor John Lyons said that Israel will suffer a major backlash if they don't find Hamas tunnels underneath Al-Shifa Hospital.

ABC News Australia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8UKXN4SenA

John said "Israel is saying some of that has been unavoidable because Hamas has been using civilians to embed themselves."

"If they find nothing in the hospital, then a lot of the basis of that argument falls and I think there will be a major backlash against Israel."

[NOVA Green]

The Israeli Defense Minister is claiming that it controls the "aboveground" area in Northern Gaza and may turn its attention to Southern Gaza soon.

Now I'm a bit confused here, since this would seem to indicate one or perhaps multiple things, but prefer to break down my thoughts by bullet points:

1.) Hamas was estimated at having something around a 22k-28k force within Gaza. Note this does not include members of other Palestinian Political-Military formations, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad within those numbers.

2.) We know based upon Israeli body counts that roughly 1.5k Hamas fighters died in Southern Israel within a couple days from 10/7/23. These deaths disproportionately occurred amongst members of various elite Hamas units.

3.) Israel has definitely pursued a "Command and Control" targeting strategy against Hamas military leaders, not just those involved in the original assault on both Israeli Civilian and Military targets, to the point where they have so loosened up the rules of engagement to the point that well over 10k Palestinian Civilians have likely died, and considering the average age, this probably includes at least 4k children.

4.) We do not have any decent estimates of total Hamas military casualties within Gaza proper, where the initial Israeli Ground Invasion was prefaced with major air and artillery bombardments, to the point where over 10% of the buildings within the entire Gaza Strip have been either destroyed or so heavily damaged as to be uninhabitable.

5.) So, *IF* the IDF has managed to obtain "Control on the Ground" in Northern Gaza, then this would seem to indicate some or all of the following:

    A.) Hamas blew their load with the terrorist assault against both Israeli Citizens, Foreign Nationals within the "War Zone", instead of a more carefully targeted assault against IDF military positions, which led to massive losses against their most elite military units both during and in the aftermath of 10/7/23.

   B.) Hamas Command and Control has so dissipated that there are very few military actions which Hamas is capable of in Northern Gaza engaging in coordinated assaults against Israeli formations to the point which instead we see minor periodic skirmishes, but ultimately incapable of inflicting any serious impactful counter-attacks against IDF movements.

 C.) Many of the Hamas fighters have moved to Southern Gaza to mount a more successful Guerrilla Insurgency and hypothetically buying time for a counter-offensive.

 D.) Original Hamas military force estimates includes a significant number of "Irregulars", more like individuals who were more like a civilian militia, and generally do not include people who had much more than minor level military training.

Naturally this does not preclude the possibility that even within Northern Gaza, which has been turned into much more rubble than Southern Gaza that we will not continue to see a sustained "Grozny Style" or "Mosul Style", Hamas military resistance with significant IDF casualties.

Honestly, from a sheer military perspective thinking the IDF driving armored units down the Beach in the early days of the Israeli Invasion of Gaza might have been a pretty sharp move compared to trying to move armored convoys down roads which might well have been booby-trapped with Anti-Tank Mines, Plastic explosive charges hidden in the bodies of dead dogs, etc...

Israeli forces control “the aboveground area” of the northern Gaza Strip, the defense minister said on Tuesday, and may turn toward southern Gaza, anticipating “long months” of fighting ahead against Hamas. 
“In northern Gaza, Hamas has lost control,” the defense minister, Yoav Gallant, told reporters.

But he made a vital distinction between control above ground and control below, where Hamas militants have built a maze of tactical tunnels, command posts and supply depots. The Israeli military says it has identified hundreds of tunnel shafts in the Gaza Strip since the invasion began.

In a ground invasion that began on Oct. 27, the Israeli military has moved into northern Gaza from multiple directions, trying to trap Hamas fighters in a tightening loop centered on Gaza City, where street battles have raged for days. Israel has told civilians to evacuate northern Gaza and flee southward, which more than a million people have heeded.

When asked whether Israeli troops would operate in southern Gaza as they have in the north, Mr. Gallant said the combat plans he had presented to Israel’s cabinet before the beginning of the ground invasion had required “long months” of fighting and included “both the north and the south.”

In recent days, Israeli forces secured control of various Hamas centers of operations, including government buildings, police headquarters and an engineering facility “used for weapons production and development,” according to a statement made by the Israeli military.

Some of the outposts, including the Governor’s Residence, were used by Hamas before it led the Oct. 7 terrorist attack on Israel, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military’s chief spokesman, said in a post on X, formally known as Twitter.

Once inside the Governor’s Residence, military forces found equipment, including weapons, stolen by Hamas during the Oct. 7 attack, Admiral Hagari said in another post on X. Those weapons will be examined by the Israeli military, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/14/world/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news

[Hnv1]

The Israeli Defense Minister is claiming that it controls the "aboveground" area in Northern Gaza and may turn its attention to Southern Gaza soon.

Now I'm a bit confused here, since this would seem to indicate one or perhaps multiple things, but prefer to break down my thoughts by bullet points:

1.) Hamas was estimated at having something around a 22k-28k force within Gaza. Note this does not include members of other Palestinian Political-Military formations, such as Palestinian Islamic Jihad within those numbers.

2.) We know based upon Israeli body counts that roughly 1.5k Hamas fighters died in Southern Israel within a couple days from 10/7/23. These deaths disproportionately occurred amongst members of various elite Hamas units.

3.) Israel has definitely pursued a "Command and Control" targeting strategy against Hamas military leaders, not just those involved in the original assault on both Israeli Civilian and Military targets, to the point where they have so loosened up the rules of engagement to the point that well over 10k Palestinian Civilians have likely died, and considering the average age, this probably includes at least 4k children.

4.) We do not have any decent estimates of total Hamas military casualties within Gaza proper, where the initial Israeli Ground Invasion was prefaced with major air and artillery bombardments, to the point where over 10% of the buildings within the entire Gaza Strip have been either destroyed or so heavily damaged as to be uninhabitable.

5.) So, *IF* the IDF has managed to obtain "Control on the Ground" in Northern Gaza, then this would seem to indicate some or all of the following:

    A.) Hamas blew their load with the terrorist assault against both Israeli Citizens, Foreign Nationals within the "War Zone", instead of a more carefully targeted assault against IDF military positions, which led to massive losses against their most elite military units both during and in the aftermath of 10/7/23.

   B.) Hamas Command and Control has so dissipated that there are very few military actions which Hamas is capable of in Northern Gaza engaging in coordinated assaults against Israeli formations to the point which instead we see minor periodic skirmishes, but ultimately incapable of inflicting any serious impactful counter-attacks against IDF movements.

 C.) Many of the Hamas fighters have moved to Southern Gaza to mount a more successful Guerrilla Insurgency and hypothetically buying time for a counter-offensive.

 D.) Original Hamas military force estimates includes a significant number of "Irregulars", more like individuals who were more like a civilian militia, and generally do not include people who had much more than minor level military training.

Naturally this does not preclude the possibility that even within Northern Gaza, which has been turned into much more rubble than Southern Gaza that we will not continue to see a sustained "Grozny Style" or "Mosul Style", Hamas military resistance with significant IDF casualties.

Honestly, from a sheer military perspective thinking the IDF driving armored units down the Beach in the early days of the Israeli Invasion of Gaza might have been a pretty sharp move compared to trying to move armored convoys down roads which might well have been booby-trapped with Anti-Tank Mines, Plastic explosive charges hidden in the bodies of dead dogs, etc...

Israeli forces control “the aboveground area” of the northern Gaza Strip, the defense minister said on Tuesday, and may turn toward southern Gaza, anticipating “long months” of fighting ahead against Hamas.  
“In northern Gaza, Hamas has lost control,” the defense minister, Yoav Gallant, told reporters.

But he made a vital distinction between control above ground and control below, where Hamas militants have built a maze of tactical tunnels, command posts and supply depots. The Israeli military says it has identified hundreds of tunnel shafts in the Gaza Strip since the invasion began.

In a ground invasion that began on Oct. 27, the Israeli military has moved into northern Gaza from multiple directions, trying to trap Hamas fighters in a tightening loop centered on Gaza City, where street battles have raged for days. Israel has told civilians to evacuate northern Gaza and flee southward, which more than a million people have heeded.

When asked whether Israeli troops would operate in southern Gaza as they have in the north, Mr. Gallant said the combat plans he had presented to Israel’s cabinet before the beginning of the ground invasion had required “long months” of fighting and included “both the north and the south.”

In recent days, Israeli forces secured control of various Hamas centers of operations, including government buildings, police headquarters and an engineering facility “used for weapons production and development,” according to a statement made by the Israeli military.

Some of the outposts, including the Governor’s Residence, were used by Hamas before it led the Oct. 7 terrorist attack on Israel, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military’s chief spokesman, said in a post on X, formally known as Twitter.

Once inside the Governor’s Residence, military forces found equipment, including weapons, stolen by Hamas during the Oct. 7 attack, Admiral Hagari said in another post on X. Those weapons will be examined by the Israeli military, he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/11/14/world/israel-hamas-gaza-war-news

It was estimated that around 14K Hamas men were in Gaza City. You can augment them with 1K PIJ men if you wish. The IDF claims it killed something between 2-3K in battle. Now even of that 28K figure most can fight as a part of a small squad and nothing more. After most of the mid-level hierarchy died, some of the low tier fighters dropped the RPG and fled.

What in fact happened was that Hamas was under the impression that their tunnel system could delay the IDF and cause much more damage. They did not anticipate the extent of bunker busting and other technological means that destroyed a lot of tunnels in the process (and sheer fire power simply wiped out numerous hide outs above ground). In addition, the IDF's new joint maneuver that combines ground and aerial forces proved highly efficient in breaking through the Hamas exterior belt of defence. There are still several thousand Hamas men in Gaza City, they just can't mount any credible resistance at this point. Moreover in recent days with ammo and food running low dozens began to surrender.

Hamas' leadership and a core of their elite fighters fled to Khan Younis, but it's hardly a favorable place to defend like Gaza City was anticipated to be.

[Silent Hunter]

If the Israelis have that hospital and show any tunnels to the world's press, that would probably be a big blow to what is left of Hamas' reputation.

[patzer]

If the Israelis have that hospital and show any tunnels to the world's press, that would probably be a big blow to what is left of Hamas' reputation.

I think you underestimate the ability of a lot of people to blindly oppose Israel despite all evidence

[Meclazine for Israel]

It feels like the final episode where the truth is revealed.

I don't know the facts about what is underneath this Hospital, but I can sense a large group of "crisis actors" en-snaring the Doctors constantly ringing the World Health Organisation (WHO) to report an anti-Israel story which ends up top story of NY Times. The news feed from these Doctors is both continual and dramatic. Realistically, there will be Hamas militants in the Hospital and Hamas journalists, so it would be completely plausible they are forced to do the reporting stuff for the media feed.

We will have to wait for their book in 3 years time.

Israel have offered food, medicine, incubators, fuel. They could easily take all the patients out one by one and look after them.

Today is either D-day for Hamas or Israel depending on what they find.

BBC Apologise For pro-Palestinian Bias

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzqhfIhselt/

[dead0man]

If the Israelis have that hospital and show any tunnels to the world's press, that would probably be a big blow to what is left of Hamas' reputation.

I think you underestimate the ability of a lot of people to blindly oppose Israel despite all evidence

yeah, as we'll see over the coming days, they wont care.  They will say "it doesn't matter that it was a Hamas headquarters, you can never ever attack a hospital".

"even when there are bullets, missiles and command and control coming out of it?"
"yes"
"you don't see the problem with this?"
"nope!"

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/al-jazeera-reporter-cuts-off-gaza-hospital-interview-after-patient-says-hamas-is-hiding-among-wounded/ar-AA1jYpSS

A clip from an Al Jazeera broadcast is circulating online after the network's correspondent reporting from a Gaza hospital appears to abruptly end a live interview with an injured Palestinian man as he starts criticizing the presence of Hamas militants in the complex.

The Al Jazeera reporter was at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Gaza, interviewing an elderly Palestinian man who said, according to a rough translation: "What's happening is criminal! Why is the resistance hiding among us? Why don't they go to hell and hide there? They are not resistance!"

In the clip, the reporter, whose identity is unclear, then turns away from his interview subject and appears to quickly change the subject. The man continues to talk and tries to follow the journalist, even as he's walking away from him.

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1724851507768795142?t=Lj1jdb8N2m1QvXXs...

[Red Velvet]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1724851507768795142?t=Lj1jdb8N2m1QvXXs...

One of the best arguments in favor of the movement that supported Bernie Sanders was that it was an honorable way out for the American empire.

It would supposedly be a phase of dismantling the empire, transforming it into a solid and stable social democracy while giving up the control of the world.

It didn't happen. Empires do not die in silence, but by necrotizing and spreading death everywhere.

The end of the British empire can be told as a tale from genocide to genocide.

70 years after the Potato Famine, Ireland leaves. 6 years after the Bengal Famine, India is partitioned. And Nakhba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948, is the transfer of Palestine from British rule to the US sphere of influence.

Now, just imagine this necrotizing death of the American empire in the midst of a burning planet.

How many horrors will we still witness in our lifetime in the near future?

[All Along The Watchtower]

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1724851507768795142?t=Lj1jdb8N2m1QvXXs...

The Israeli government is an enemy of peace, and thus an active danger to the lives of Israelis and Palestinians alike, alongside everyone else in the region.

Furthermore, unconditional and aggressive US support for Israel has cost Americans dearly, including in their lives, even on American soil (22 years and 2 months ago--it was a big motivation for the perpetrators of that horrific crime). Just ask a former Secretary of Defense and leader of Central Command, who was himself hardly hostile to Israel:

“I paid a military-security price every day as the commander of CentCom because the Americans were seen as biased in support of Israel,” Mattis said then of his job, which involved interactions with America’s Arab allies.

link

This unhealthy fixation with the Middle East in general is not in America's national interests. I'm with the 68% and the 43% in this poll.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

If the Israelis have that hospital and show any tunnels to the world's press, that would probably be a big blow to what is left of Hamas' reputation.

I think you underestimate the ability of a lot of people to blindly oppose Israel despite all evidence

yeah, as we'll see over the coming days, they wont care.  They will say "it doesn't matter that it was a Hamas headquarters, you can never ever attack a hospital".

"even when there are bullets, missiles and command and control coming out of it?"
"yes"
"you don't see the problem with this?"
"nope!"

It's a good thing they raided the hospital because IDF World Class Intelligence was able to discover a punch clock list naming seven of the deadly terrorist leaders: Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. All surely dead men walking in the face of Israel's legendary capabilities.

https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1724173144804426061

Today we see the true extent of the Hamas Terror Tunnel Network: 10 rusty AKs, 10 magazines, an airsoft pistol, a half dozen grenades, a laptop and three vests helpfully labeled "FOR USE BY HAMAS TERRORISTS ONLY" all stored right next to an MRI machine. Truly an unprecedented cache and huge triumph for the IDF, while the Hamas Terrorists will be left reeling at the loss of such an essential command center and so many critical supplies. In other news, the people at Al-Shifa no longer have to worry about supply shortages because the IDF brought huge boxes helpfully labelled "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" in English which surely weren't filled with anything besides medical supplies.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1724859904052109354

Finally, to commemorate their great victory over the sick and wounded the brave heroes raised their flag over the hospital, surely the first of many such triumphs

https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1724808094834888935

Seriously though, I can see why Israelis fall for this junk because they're in the throes of War Fever but how anyone else falls for such obvious lies is beyond me. If an unnamed country made allegations based solely on an "Osama's Tora Bora Stronghold" style infographic, banned international observers from investigating, cut all communications and then sprinkled some crack "discovered a weapons cache" everyone would instantly recognize what was going on. In some cases the very same people who took pride in seeing through Putin's propaganda have no problem taking everything the IDF says as gospel.

[dead0man]

so you think the IDF did this just to be cruel and that Hamas didn't use the area for military uses?

[lfromnj]

Can someone actually explain what happens after a so called ceasefire ? What should happen if Hamas continues to attack a month or two later ?

[Red Velvet]

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1724387153260507282?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwca...

[Lief 🗽]

Can someone actually explain what happens after a so called ceasefire ? What shluld happen if Hamas continues to attack a month or two later ?

When that happens, pro-Hamas leftists and “peace” activists will immediately start spreading blood libel and calling for a ceasefire again.

[Horus]

If the Israelis have that hospital and show any tunnels to the world's press, that would probably be a big blow to what is left of Hamas' reputation.

I think you underestimate the ability of a lot of people to blindly oppose Israel despite all evidence

yeah, as we'll see over the coming days, they wont care.  They will say "it doesn't matter that it was a Hamas headquarters, you can never ever attack a hospital".

"even when there are bullets, missiles and command and control coming out of it?"
"yes"
"you don't see the problem with this?"
"nope!"

It's a good thing they raided the hospital because IDF World Class Intelligence was able to discover a punch clock list naming seven of the deadly terrorist leaders: Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. All surely dead men walking in the face of Israel's legendary capabilities.

https://twitter.com/SaeedDiCaprio/status/1724173144804426061

Today we see the true extent of the Hamas Terror Tunnel Network: 10 rusty AKs, 10 magazines, an airsoft pistol, a half dozen grenades, a laptop and three vests helpfully labeled "FOR USE BY HAMAS TERRORISTS ONLY" all stored right next to an MRI machine. Truly an unprecedented cache and huge triumph for the IDF, while the Hamas Terrorists will be left reeling at the loss of such an essential command center and so many critical supplies. In other news, the people at Al-Shifa no longer have to worry about supply shortages because the IDF brought huge boxes helpfully labelled "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" in English which surely weren't filled with anything besides medical supplies.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1724859904052109354

Finally, to commemorate their great victory over the sick and wounded the brave heroes raised their flag over the hospital, surely the first of many such triumphs

https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1724808094834888935

Seriously though, I can see why Israelis fall for this junk because they're in the throes of War Fever but how anyone else falls for such obvious lies is beyond me. If an unnamed country made allegations based solely on an "Osama's Tora Bora Stronghold" style infographic, banned international observers from investigating, cut all communications and then sprinkled some crack "discovered a weapons cache" everyone would instantly recognize what was going on. In some cases the very same people who took pride in seeing through Putin's propaganda have no problem taking everything the IDF says as gospel.

Damn. You just completely wrecked what little was left of their bizarre narrative.

Haven't seen a complete dismantling like this in awhile. Nice.

[Horus]

Wow. Looks like the US is starting to tire of Israeli games. I haven't seen the US defy Israel at the security council since Obama was a lame duck.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1724900144808947883?t=7ZxqOT6nBGkPGFhGxX5q...