Israel-Gaza war

[Mopsus]

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

They have lost any trace of decency. Their absolute disregard of human lives is appalling.

https://twitter.com/YairWallach/status/1713911949358948637?t=xFsV-y5DzAinS8Fl6Iu...

Again--they care more about killing Palestinians than saving Israeli (or American, or Nepali) hostages. There was also an Israeli public television interview where a survivor of one of the Hamas kibbutz attacks claims that some of the Israelis killed were shot by the IDF--which was likely accidental but would also fit with the Hannibal directive.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

One of the core beliefs of the Hindutva movement is that of "love jihad", in which Muslim men intentionally seduce Hindu women for the purpose of converting them to Islam. There is absolutely no evidence to this but it has still been frequently used to fearmonger about Muslims, up to and including committing lynchings against Muslim men who date and/or marry Hindu women.

[Ferguson97]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Catholic Position on Israel

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyZAaXguquZ/

No. There are easily available statements from the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem (recently made a cardinal) and other prelates, up to and including Pope Francis. You do not need to go to radtrad Instagram for a Catholic take on this.

[GALeftist]

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

The whole thing where Hindus are somehow constantly in danger of being oppressed by a neo-Mughal Empire is extremely pathetic.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

The whole thing where Hindus are somehow constantly in danger of being oppressed by a neo-Mughal Empire is extremely pathetic.

Many Hindus hate the Mughals more than the Raj

[GALeftist]

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

The whole thing where Hindus are somehow constantly in danger of being oppressed by a neo-Mughal Empire is extremely pathetic.

Many Hindus hate the Mughals more than the Raj

Case in point!

[Vosem]

I think the idea is that conversion to Islam makes someone vulnerable to honor killings down the road, which is absolutely true in certain countries -- most obviously, uh, Pakistan -- although a cursory check didn't find examples occurring within India, where I think this is something that in practice the country has mostly moved beyond. I'd be surprised if it were an entirely unjustified fear, though.

(Always happy to be corrected by those who know more about contemporary India, or for that matter contemporary Pakistan, but that is my understanding of why this is controversial.)

I like that no one even pretends to dispute why Hindu nationalists love Israel so much.

Hindus feel solidarity for Jews and Israel in general given how similar our history has been. We were oppressed by the two major religions for centuries and then for decades both India and Israel have been attacked over and over by radical Islamists

Yes, we know how oppressive it is for you when a Hindu woman chooses to marry a Muslim man.

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Then again, some people can’t seem to grasp why it would be important to many Jews that there be a majority-Jewish country somewhere in the world, so I’m not sure that everyone is capable of learning from such an exercise.

The whole thing where Hindus are somehow constantly in danger of being oppressed by a neo-Mughal Empire is extremely pathetic.

Many Hindus hate the Mughals more than the Raj

Case in point!

The history of the Pakistan Movement suggests many Muslims hated the alternative more than they hated the Raj, too. Pre-British Indian history, for many centuries, was bleak.

[Vosem]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

Sure it did? The goals of eastern conquest, genocide, and enslavement of peoples were abandoned, and today Germany literally celebrates the Allied victory and maintains monuments to the Red Army. No reason that the same attitude could not in theory be inculcated in Palestine; the biggest obstacle is the existence of foreign groups that find Palestinian liberation sympathetic. To destroy Hamas it may be necessary to destroy Amnesty International, along with similar organizations.

Germany denazified in spite of the Allies' efforts, not because of them.

No, Germany would never have denazified if not for the Allied victory in the Second World War.

[Velasco]

They have lost any trace of decency. Their absolute disregard of human lives is appalling.

https://twitter.com/YairWallach/status/1713911949358948637?t=xFsV-y5DzAinS8Fl6Iu...

Again--they care more about killing Palestinians than saving Israeli (or American, or Nepali) hostages. There was also an Israeli public television interview where a survivor of one of the Hamas kibbutz attacks claims that some of the Israelis killed were shot by the IDF--which was likely accidental but would also fit with the Hannibal directive.

Harassing the parents of captive people is vile and despicable.  These things can only happen in countries with fascist governments. I think everything is about dehumanization. Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government give value to human lives, since they are devoid of any sense of humanity

[Ferguson97]

This is moronic . Gaza will have to be occupied and denazified first

Denazification didn't work in Germany, what makes you think it will work in Palestine?

Sure it did? The goals of eastern conquest, genocide, and enslavement of peoples were abandoned, and today Germany literally celebrates the Allied victory and maintains monuments to the Red Army. No reason that the same attitude could not in theory be inculcated in Palestine; the biggest obstacle is the existence of foreign groups that find Palestinian liberation sympathetic. To destroy Hamas it may be necessary to destroy Amnesty International, along with similar organizations.

Germany denazified in spite of the Allies' efforts, not because of them.

No, Germany would never have denazified if not for the Allied victory in the Second World War.

Of course, but I never claimed otherwise.

[jaichind]

IDF Merkava tanks install anti-drone visors which are very similar to those that Russians have installed on their tanks.

[Mopsus]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

Muslim men are permitted to marry non-Muslim women, while Muslim women are forbidden to marry non-Muslim men, because (among other reasons) it’s assumed that the children of an interfaith marriage will inherit the religion of their father. So, if you’re a native population trying to maintain its identity in the face of centuries of colonization by an alien power, you might want to minimize such marriages.

[jaichind]

https://news.yahoo.com/media-israel-refuses-zelensky-visit-140611433.html

"Media: Israel refuses Zelensky’s visit, says 'time not right'"

Israel turned down Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky's request to make a solidarity visit to the country in the wake of Hamas' attack, telling him that the "time is not right," the Israeli news portal Ynet reported on Oct. 16, citing undisclosed sources.

[Ferguson97]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

Muslim men are permitted to marry non-Muslim women, while Muslim women are forbidden to marry non-Muslim men, because (among other reasons) it’s assumed that the children of an interfaith marriage will inherit the religion of their father. So, if you’re a native population trying to maintain its identity in the face of centuries of colonization by an alien power, you might want to minimize such marriages.

How is this line of thinking any different from the people who think the same about interracial marriage "diluting" the white race?

[OSR stands with Israel]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

This line of thinking isn’t surprising coming from people who think religion is nothing more than a social club that meets once a week or a super vague label . It is not surprising that parents would be very much against their kids marrying someone whose religion would require their kid to convert in order to get married

[OSR stands with Israel]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

Muslim men are permitted to marry non-Muslim women, while Muslim women are forbidden to marry non-Muslim men, because (among other reasons) it’s assumed that the children of an interfaith marriage will inherit the religion of their father. So, if you’re a native population trying to maintain its identity in the face of centuries of colonization by an alien power, you might want to minimize such marriages.

How is this line of thinking any different from the people who think the same about interracial marriage "diluting" the white race?

Race and religion isn’t the same thing

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OK I do dump on Catholic hierarchy all the time, but definite credit where it's due here:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1713962466445504790

Hamas will never accept the offer of course.

[Continential]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

95+% of Indians marry within their own religion and a 3/4ths of Muslims think that it is more important to stop inter religious marriages in addition to 2/3rds of Hindus.

[Ferguson97]

This line of thinking isn’t surprising coming from people who think religion is nothing more than a social club that meets once a week or a super vague label . It is not surprising that parents would be very much against their kids marrying someone whose religion would require their kid to convert in order to get married

Of course it's not surprising, but guess what? It's not the parents' marriage. Their adult child can marry whomever they want.

Race and religion isn’t the same thing

Okay, then don't marry a non-Hindui if you don't want to.

Socially pressuring people to marry someone of the same religion when they don't necessarily want to do that is fundamentally wrong.

Your way of thinking is backwards and outdated.

Live your life how you want, but don't try and tell other people how to live theirs.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

This line of thinking isn’t surprising coming from people who think religion is nothing more than a social club that meets once a week or a super vague label . It is not surprising that parents would be very much against their kids marrying someone whose religion would require their kid to convert in order to get married

The issue is the scale of the conspiracy, and the extent to which it's become pervasive both as a claim and as a motivator for anti-Muslim violence.

[Meclazine for Israel]

You might consider the historical and cultural reasons why a Hindu wouldn’t want Hindu women to marry Muslim men.

Enlighten us.

Fergusonz, consider yourself enlightened with Hindu marriage techniques.

Why Hindu's Don't Marry Muslims

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyMWLzHPRy0/

I like the deal where you get your back rubbed. I knew I should have gone Hindu in that opium den in Calcutta in the 1990's.

[NOVA Green]

This thread officially still remains a dumpster fire, with 90% of posts almost completely tangential to contemporary events, with a significant quantity going so far as to be completely irrelevant, much of which are driven by one particular poster, and various responses and discussions spinning out of these posts.

However, I digress...

Let me briefly provide a few updates for those perhaps looking at this thread for some real information:

A.) Exhibit A US Foreign Policy

1.) US shuttle boat diplomacy is in 100% active mode, combined with that of various allies within the region.

"Calling in chips" is something the US is very capable of doing, although naturally this might come with a little bit of "quid pro quo", especially in the likely event of an Israeli full-scape invasion, at a minimum a partial temporary occupation of parts of Northern Gaza will likely result in massive demonstrations throughout the "Arab Street", as well as even possibly in places such as Turkey and Iran, depending upon how State Media frames current events/

Should be noted that obviously Iranian public opinion might not be particularly favorable towards regime narratives in light of recent massive uprisings.

2.) In addition to the 2nd Carrier Group moving within range, we now have a US Marine Rapid Response force arriving here.

Although they are not envisioned as a "Gaza Invasion Force", they could help evacuate American citizens from Israel, according to Senior American officials.

Naturally in theory they could serve as a deterrent to Hezbollah as well, in the event s**T really hits the fan in terms of escalation on the Israeli-Lebanon border.

3.) Biden showing up in Israel, at the invitation of Bibi, sends a clear message to the world that the US will continue to support Israel on key issues, regardless of the various posturing on both major American political parties over the years on the nuances, with ultimately the American Presidential Legacy "Holy Grail" being an ever elusive Palestinian-Israeli "permanent solution", with Oslo Accords obviously and arguably punting the ball down the road.

4.) It is clear with Blinken's non-stop flights that he is doing a full-court press with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Jordan, etc...

[NOVA Green]

Exhibit B. ) Hostage Crisis

1.) Israeli Government now states that Hamas holds (199) Israeli Citizens hostage (Much larger than earlier numbers).

It does not state how many are IDF versus Civilians, but the word "citizens" stands out here.

2.) Meanwhile it sounds like there are many dozens more hostages being held by either Palestinian Political-Military formations (Which jives with some of my earlier posts regarding IJ jumping into the mix at the last moment).

Haven't heard anything about PFLP or other smaller Marxist-Leninist formations holding any hostages, but since it isn't West Bank or Lebanon, or Syrian, would not expect that to be the case.

3.) We are starting to get a better number regarding the "Foreign National" hostages, but these are still yet a bit elusive.

Might be wrong, but something like (13) Americans, (6) UK, (3-4) French obviously stand out when it comes to the UN Security Council members.

Anybody got updates on that???