Israel-Gaza war

[Isaak]

I'll join the fun.

I like Netanyahu/Israel and Biden's response so far. A few more days of continuous bombing in Gaza and targeted killings of Hamas fighters should lead to an end of the conflict within the next few weeks; but part of me does have a feeling that some other Islamic country will try to involve themselves deeper in this - leading to worsened escalation. Let's hope not, but we'll see.

“Islamic Country”?
The only countries which have even a remote possibility of getting involved on behalf of Hamas are Iran and Syria, and neither of those are likely. Unless you think Bosnia and Bangladesh are gonna start funneling money to bus bombs just because they read the same book…

Nobody else in the Arab World wants to touch this lmao. Palestine is probably screwed long term.

Well, there are already rumors Iran orchestrated planning of it. Zelenskyy seems to be under the impression that Ukraine has evidence of Russian participation as well. There's also Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Turkey nearby; all with differing relations to the U.S. and long-term goals. I wouldn't disqualify the possibility that things become much worse internationally.

Why would Iraq, Lebanon or Turkey (a NATO member state?!) get involved in any way? The first two are the epitome of regime dysfunctionality, and the latter has nothing to gain and an incredible amount to lose.

[pppolitics]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

[Vice President Christian Man]

I'm skeptical of the claim that Netanyahu had previous knowledge. It seems reminiscent of the conspiracy that FDR had prior knowledge of Japan invading Pearl Harbor.

[Aurelius2]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

[pppolitics]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

No, because the people in the government aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone.

[Aurelius2]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

No, because the people in the government aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone.

And Torah study being a part of the fabric of life in Israel, which it very is and would remain so even if all state funding and support for it disappeared tomorrow, is the government trying to force its religious beliefs on people how exactly?

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1711502903083434453

[Comrade Funk]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

What are you talking about

[Horus]

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1711502903083434453

I am glad they at least acknowledged that the Palestinian movement as a whole (not Hamas obviously) is legitimate. A Republican president never would've signed onto that.

I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

[pppolitics]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

No, because the people in the government aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone.

And Torah study being a part of the fabric of life in Israel, which it very is and would remain so even if all state funding and support for it disappeared tomorrow, is the government trying to force its religious beliefs on people how exactly?

Who do you think controls the levers and keep Netanyahu in office?

--> the ultra-Orthodox parties

[Aurelius2]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

No, because the people in the government aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone.

And Torah study being a part of the fabric of life in Israel, which it very is and would remain so even if all state funding and support for it disappeared tomorrow, is the government trying to force its religious beliefs on people how exactly?

Who do you think controls the levers and keep Netanyahu in office?

--> the ultra-Orthodox parties

Did you even read my initial post? I'll requote it for your benefit:

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

Where did I say a word in there about any desire to prop up Netanyahu or Shas or UTJ?

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Please stop clogging the thread with one-line non sequiturs. I'm not going to pretend I've been some objective, rational observer of this conflict, and I've had my moments in this thread where I've inadvisedly let my emotions get ahold of me, but some of us are actually trying to discuss the situation and learn from it and you just keep spouting platitudes into the wind with seemingly no engagement with what people are actually saying. At the very least please stop cheering on a hypothetical war between Israel and Iran that no thinking person should hope for.

[lfromnj]

Aurelius: Wants to remove exemption based on religion that Haredim get to not be part of the IDF.
PPPolitics: Why do you want Israel to be a theocracy?

[Ferguson97]

I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

Fortunately, our State Department is well-equipped to focus on more than one thing at once.

[Horus]

I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

Fortunately, our State Department is well-equipped to focus on more than one thing at once.

Supposedly there are ammo shortages. I don't want any bullets wasted on a conflict where both sides are terrible.

All of it should go to Ukraine.

[pppolitics]

In Israel there is talk about RZ and Otzma having to leave the government for the sake of national unity, but I would actually argue it's the Haredim who need to go now. You don't deserve to decide on the (way of) deployment of the army if you fight vehemently to have everyone in the country serve in it except for your own community.

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

So you want Israel to be even more of a theocracy than it already is.

Do you know what the term "theocracy" means? Because Israel is currently light years away from being one.

But, well, this is a board where everything is also a "genocide" or "ethnic cleansing" these days...

Yes.

The traditional definition is a state ruled by priests in the name of god.

The modern definition is a state ruled by a religious group.

Is Brooklyn a theocracy because there are a large number of Orthodox Jews who study Torah in kollel there?

No, because the people in the government aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on everyone.

And Torah study being a part of the fabric of life in Israel, which it very is and would remain so even if all state funding and support for it disappeared tomorrow, is the government trying to force its religious beliefs on people how exactly?

Who do you think controls the levers and keep Netanyahu in office?

--> the ultra-Orthodox parties

Did you even read my initial post? I'll requote it for your benefit:

Yeah, I've been wondering if this will be the moment that would finally force the Haredim to do their fair share to defend and support the country that protects their way of life. I agree with them that Torah study should be part of the fabric of a Jewish state, but certainly not at the expense of literally everything else. Their kollelim don't defend themselves.

Military needs are much higher than they were 3 days ago, and Israel can't afford to have 20% of its Jewish population not contributing.

Where did I say a word in there about any desire to prop up Netanyahu or Shas or UTJ?

I don't even have a clue anymore about whatever you are trying to say.

[Aurelius2]

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1711549801995600316

Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1711549801995600316

Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

What was this? It's deleted.

[Aurelius2]

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1711549801995600316
Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

What was this? It's deleted.

It was something along the lines of "my fellow Lebanese, don't upload and share the video of a rocket launch you're going to record tomorrow. It's best for you and for all of us if it stays in your phone gallery."

[Birdish]

Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

What was this? It's deleted.

It was something along the lines of "my fellow Lebanese, don't upload and share the video of a rocket launch you're going to record tomorrow. It's best for you and for all of us if it stays in your phone gallery."

Probably just a reference to Israel getting hit by missles from southern Lebanon the last two days and Israel retaliating. "If your going to do something, don't post it on social media because Israeli intelligence will certainly see it". Atleast that was my interpretation.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

What was this? It's deleted.

It was something along the lines of "my fellow Lebanese, don't upload and share the video of a rocket launch you're going to record tomorrow. It's best for you and for all of us if it stays in your phone gallery."

Probably just a reference to Israel getting hit by missles from southern Lebanon the last two days and Israel retaliating. "If your going to do something, don't post it on social media because Israeli intelligence will certainly see it". Atleast that was my interpretation.

If you watched the rocket attacks out of Gaza yesterday, these were hit by Israeli missiles within 20-30 minutes.

You can see the Hamas munitions exploding as they are hit, so Israel are clearly hitting active rocket sites.

US and Israeli technology overhead (UAV's) would quickly isolate the rocket launch locations as opposed to social media posts.

[Birdish]

Either this guy knows something and there's going to be a major Hezbollah/PIJ assault tomorrow, or he's stirring shlt for attention.

What was this? It's deleted.

It was something along the lines of "my fellow Lebanese, don't upload and share the video of a rocket launch you're going to record tomorrow. It's best for you and for all of us if it stays in your phone gallery."

Probably just a reference to Israel getting hit by missles from southern Lebanon the last two days and Israel retaliating. "If your going to do something, don't post it on social media because Israeli intelligence will certainly see it". Atleast that was my interpretation.

If you watched the rocket attacks out of Gaza yesterday, these were hit by Israeli missiles within 20-30 minutes.

You can see the Hamas munitions exploding as they are hit, so Israel are clearly hitting active rocket sites.

US and Israeli technology overhead (UAV's) would quickly isolate the rocket launch locations as opposed to social media posts.

Sure, but does War Monitor on Twitter know that? Seeing some of their previous posts, I'm not so sure.

Edit: Also, there's the pre emptive Israeli strike angle.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I am still very worried about the West deprioritizing Ukraine for this.

Fortunately, our State Department is well-equipped to focus on more than one thing at once.

Our State Department will be able to follow the events. Its ability to respond to them is the part that, if one does have concern, they ought to be concerned about.
Too early to fret, though.

[Hollywood]

IDF has now taken full control of the Southern Border after eliminating all positions taken by Hamas soldiers.  They are still looking for terrorists that may be hiding around the community.  Residents have been given the 'green light' to leave their bomb shelters.  

Significant build-up of IDF soldiers on Lebanese Border.  All signs point to a significant attack by Hezbollah, but experts aren't sure whether this will come to fruition.  Large movement of Lebanese Civilians towards Beirut from Southern Lebanon.  

[Aurelius2]

IDF has now taken full control of the Southern Border after eliminating all positions taken by Hamas soldiers.  They are still looking for terrorists that may be hiding around the community.  Residents have been given the 'green light' to leave their bomb shelters.  

Significant build-up of IDF soldiers on Lebanese Border.  All signs point to a significant attack by Hezbollah, but experts aren't sure whether this will come to fruition.  Large movement of Lebanese Civilians towards Beirut from Southern Lebanon.  

Source on the second paragraph? Very concerning if true.

[kwabbit]

IDF has now taken full control of the Southern Border after eliminating all positions taken by Hamas soldiers.  They are still looking for terrorists that may be hiding around the community.  Residents have been given the 'green light' to leave their bomb shelters.  

Significant build-up of IDF soldiers on Lebanese Border.  All signs point to a significant attack by Hezbollah, but experts aren't sure whether this will come to fruition.  Large movement of Lebanese Civilians towards Beirut from Southern Lebanon.  

Source on the second paragraph? Very concerning if true.

I'd take it with a grain of salt, given that Hollywood also casually pinned the initial invasion on Egypt earlier in the thread.