Donald Trump says immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country"

[pantsaregood]

Can we all acknowledge that the comments of "rugged individualism" and "cheap guns" being pillars of American culture pretty directly implies that mass shootings are fine and an acceptable consequence of "culture?"

[pantsaregood]

not sure why y'all kept arguing when the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

I'm genuinely jealous of this. I am terrible at "agree to disagree" in cases like this.

I do find it curious that the proud, America loving white nationalist won't just overtly identify as such. If there's nothing to be ashamed of, they should own it.

[It’s so Joever]

1. Vietnamese People are not East Asian. They're South East Asian.



But okay; let's put it this way, the reason why some Asian groups assimilate better is because their cultural values are ironically not American. This allows them to blend in greater than say people from other places.

The Emphasis on Communitarianism, Tradition, family, work ethic, education, obedience, this ( especially the Communitarisn part ) runs counter to the American ideas of individualism, liberty,


And yet it allows them to assimilate faster into American Society. Learning English for example is paradoxically a communitarian virtue, to blend in, to remove that individualistic streak, to be like everyone else.

Yeah, there's a lot more to assimilation than just speaking English. As you yourself have pointed out, American culture is defined by individualism and a love of liberty, not communitarianism, and I do not want greater communitarianism in this country. If immigration from X group means those arrivals learn to speak English but otherwise make American society less freedom-loving than I view that as a severe negative, even if it can be cancelled out by other factors.

And I do not want you in society.

Sucks for you.

Right back at you with the based immigrants. Stop complaining and savor the kebab!

I love kebab. I would let in tons of Turkish and Israeli immigrants. Should I post my immigration plan here again?

You literally were just worried about Tajiks because they are Muslim…but you are good with Turks? Help me understand your stupidity please.

Did you not catch the part where I talked about cultural Westernization and specifically listed Turkey as a Westernized country?

Turkey is hardly a “westernized” country, the people there are rapidly turning away from liberal democracy and the country is slowly turning into an Islamist state. Now I am genuinely curious which countries you define as “westernized”, either way I’m having trouble deciding whether you actually believe all this or if you are too prideful to admit you’re wrong.

[Ferguson97]

If Terrorists and Fentnyl Dealers come in then it is deadly for our country which is what he means by saying this. Again he should not be as crude as he is but thats what he means by saying this if you look at the context.

To be clear, what you are alleging is that Trump literally meant poisoning people’s blood with drugs?

[Mr. Smith]

Immigrants are the only ones ensuring the country even has a population down the road at all.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

not sure why y'all kept arguing with the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

Who is a white nationalist here?

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

Ftr Haley/Ryan, I am not a Tajik, I am a Muhajir.

Now, based on on earlier statements of being skeptical of people coming from predominantly Muslim countries and telling jojoju that communitarian values are a net negative for this country, can you tell me straight to my face that my family shouldn't have been allowed to immigrate here?

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

Heartless ghoul

[Ferguson97]

not sure why y'all kept arguing with the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

Who is a white nationalist here?

There's quite a few of them on Atlas, but I figure he's probably talking about the guy who said this:

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

Ftr Haley/Ryan, I am not a Tajik, I am a Muhajir.

Now, based on on earlier statements of being skeptical of people coming from predominantly Muslim countries and telling jojoju that communitarian values are a net negative for this country, can you tell me straight to my face that my family shouldn't have been allowed to immigrate here?

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

Kindly, go f**k yourself 

I don't say this to be rude. You asked me a question, and I answered honestly and in line with what I believe to be best policy, and with a response that I think is congruent with my previous statements. It is in no way a jab at you personally and if you want to argue in disagreement you are more than welcome to.

Dude are you even human? You literally just told someone that you wouldn't have let their family in and you expect a cold and dispassionate response to that. You've let ideology warp your basic sense of empathy but maybe you never even had a ing shread of it to begin with.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

not sure why y'all kept arguing with the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

Who is a white nationalist here?

There's quite a few of them on Atlas, but I figure he's probably talking about the guy who said this:

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

Me? I'm not a white nationalist. I'm confused about why you think that comment indicates white nationalism -- do you think that anything other than letting everyone in is white nationalism?

[Sol]

Me? I'm not a white nationalist. I'm confused about why you think that comment indicates white nationalism -- do you think that anything other than letting everyone in is white nationalism?

Well if your comments here weren't convincing enough you'd just have to take a gander over at the Australian Voice referendum thread to make your views pretty obvious.

[Ferguson97]

not sure why y'all kept arguing with the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

Who is a white nationalist here?

There's quite a few of them on Atlas, but I figure he's probably talking about the guy who said this:

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

Me? I'm not a white nationalist. I'm confused about why you think that comment indicates white nationalism -- do you think that anything other than letting everyone in is white nationalism?

No, but your specific reasoning is motivated by white nationalism.

[OSR stands with Israel]

not sure why y'all kept arguing with the white nationalist after he implicitly admitted to being one, that would not have struck me as a productive activity and reading through these messages I do not think it was a productive activity. Like, a few years ago when the south african I used to play planetary annihilation with said he thought the end of apartheid was a mistake I simply did not say another word to him again

Who is a white nationalist here?

There's quite a few of them on Atlas, but I figure he's probably talking about the guy who said this:

Unless there is some other reason to let your family in (ie being really skilled in some particular field), no, I would probably not allow your family to immigrate here.

Me? I'm not a white nationalist. I'm confused about why you think that comment indicates white nationalism -- do you think that anything other than letting everyone in is white nationalism?

No, but your specific reasoning is motivated by white nationalism.

I think what he said to AFE was horrible but Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

[Badger]

Ferguson is taking this out of context just like red avatars took the animals quote out of context back in 2018.

1 - What is the "right" context?

2 - What evidence or reasoning do you have to demonstrate that your interpretation of the context is the correct interpretation, other than "it fits my narrative" and "it's just what I think"?

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Given how insanely high this number is, we have zero idea which types of illegal immigrants are coming in

So depending on which ethnicities are coming in, Trump's comments about the blood being poisoned could be considered accurate? That's your defense?! Which ethnicities would poison America's blood, OSR?

Or maybe you are you trying to say (without saying) "oh, the part about the BLOOD being poisoned isn't important, because I said so, because it would be inconvenient for Republican narratives, even though there's no logical reason why Trump using the word blood wouldn't be extremely relevant".

Either way, you're downplaying the racist connotations here way too much.

He didnt mean it in an ethnic way . A country's blood can mean more than just ethnicity so this is where you are taking it out of context.

Yes , Trump should not be anywhere near as crude as he is and this is another example of Trump being crude but this is taking it out of context.

OSR, if you bend over backwards any further, you're going to pull a muscle.

The context was talking about terrorists coming in so it is you guys who are pulling a muscle not me here. This is exactly like the animals quote you guys all took out of context back in 2018

The context isn't the issue here, the wording is.  Are you not aware that this is literally an echo of something Hitler said? ""All great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning."  If he'd used different wording such as T'Chenka suggested, he'd have made exactly the same point without using Hitler's words.  But with those words, his subtext is as clear as day.  This isn't a dog whistle, it's a fire siren.

Will you at least say "I condemn Trump for using wording reminiscent of Hitler"?  That really is a very low bar.

It isnt using the same phrase as Hitler.

Oh, well then everything's okay.

[Badger]

Either way, you're downplaying the racist connotations here way too much.

He didnt mean it in an ethnic way . A country's blood can mean more than just ethnicity so this is where you are taking it out of context.

Are you allergic to making arguments? I feel like 70% of the things you say on USGD are just you giving your personal opinions and interpretations of things and then not backing it up with any sort of evidence or reasoning or logic or ANYTHING. How are we supposed to properly discuss and debate this kind of stuff if the only thing you're going to give is an opinion and literally nothing else? Everybody has an opinion... but it doesn't hold weight if you can't back it up or support it with anything.

Beep boop is notoriously allergic to critical thinking.

[Ferguson97]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

[Badger]

OSRs comments here, coupled with the fact that he doesn’t want to ban caste descrimination are very telling.

What are you alleging

I don’t have to allege anything, you say the quiet part out loud already.

yet again one of the unhinged gatekeepers of morality on atlas. Get out of here with your BS, punk.

No, you leave.

[Badger]

He's correct

Do tell us all how my family immigrating here somehow "ruins" the blood of this country.

Where is your family from?

Why would that matter?

Because culture is important for immigration.

Wow! GTFO out of here with that storm front nonsense. Thanks for saying that quiet part out loud. If his people were coming from Europe apparently that'd be okay in your eyes, especially Western europe, but Asia or Latin America means oh no shut the gates the non-whites are at the door. Truly and utterly despicable if you had any sense of conscious.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

[It’s so Joever]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

You…you do understand white nationalism is a broad tent and there literally exist Jewish white nationalists (although they aren’t common) right?

[Ferguson97]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

Are you saying that only Christians are capable of being anti-semetic?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

Are you saying that only Christians are capable of being anti-semetic?

No but Haley/Ryan is Jewish and is a pretty strong supporter in Zionism . You could say he's more like the far right parts of Likud in his political views

[Ferguson97]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

Are you saying that only Christians are capable of being anti-semetic?

No but Haley/Ryan is Jewish and is a pretty strong supporter in Zionism .

Then why did you say "given that he is not a Christian" instead of saying "given that he is Jewish"?

Regardless, being Jewish and supporting Zionism does not preclude someone from being a white supremacist.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

White Nationalists are Anti Semitic

Are you saying that only Christians are capable of being anti-semetic?

No but Haley/Ryan is Jewish and is a pretty strong supporter in Zionism .

Then why did you say "given that he is not a Christian" instead of saying "given that he is Jewish"?

Regardless, being Jewish and supporting Zionism does not preclude someone from being a white supremacist.

Is Netanyahu a White Supremacist

[Mr. Smith]

Haley/Ryan is not a White Nationalist given that he is not a Christian.

One has nothing to do with the other. What on earth are you talking about?

I think you mean correlation isn't causation on this one.