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« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2023, 08:34:00 PM »

14 days to election:
2021: 269k (D+44.3, 65.6 - 21.3)
2022: 319k (D+45.1, 65.6 - 20.5)
2023: 279k (D+44.4, 65.8 - 21.4)

Where are you getting the 2021 numbers? I’ve been looking but haven’t been able to find a point of comparison.

TargetSmart has registered voter totals for comparison-
https://targetearly.targetsmart.com/g2023?demo_filters=%5B%7B%22key%22%3A%22registeredParty%22%2C%22value%22%3A%22All%22%7D%5D

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« Reply #101 on: October 25, 2023, 09:11:04 PM »

14 days to election:
2021: 269k (D+44.3, 65.6 - 21.3)
2022: 319k (D+45.1, 65.6 - 20.5)
2023: 279k (D+44.4, 65.8 - 21.4)

so we are slightly above 2021. I don't think Republicans are going to get a majority in either chamber.

Maybe that Danny DeVito ad helped after all.
What Danny devito ad
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« Reply #102 on: October 25, 2023, 09:53:53 PM »

14 days to election:
2021: 269k (D+44.3, 65.6 - 21.3)
2022: 319k (D+45.1, 65.6 - 20.5)
2023: 279k (D+44.4, 65.8 - 21.4)

so we are slightly above 2021. I don't think Republicans are going to get a majority in either chamber.

Maybe that Danny DeVito ad helped after all.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuTL6__xlLk&pp=ygURRGFubnkgZGV2aXRvIHZvdGU%3D
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« Reply #103 on: October 25, 2023, 10:03:46 PM »

14 days to election:
2021: 269k (D+44.3, 65.6 - 21.3)
2022: 319k (D+45.1, 65.6 - 20.5)
2023: 279k (D+44.4, 65.8 - 21.4)

so we are slightly above 2021. I don't think Republicans are going to get a majority in either chamber.

Maybe that Danny DeVito ad helped after all.
What Danny devito ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuTL6__xlLk&pp=ygURRGFubnkgZGV2aXRvIHZvdGU%3D

lol of course the comments are bots insinuating that VBM is fraudulent
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« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2023, 09:34:23 AM »

https://newjerseyglobe.com/campaigns/biden-underwater-in-new-jersey-poll-people-still-like-cory-booker/

Per Stockton, Biden’s approval in NJ is underwater by 16 points, including 29 with independents.
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« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2023, 09:39:48 AM »

Total ballots requested: 928,611
Dem: 530,618 (57.1%)
Rep: 173,022 (18.6%)

Total ballots returned: 302,173
Dem: 198,342 (65.6%)
Rep: 64,589 (21.3%)

Dem return rate: 37.4%
Rep return rate: 37.3%
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« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2023, 10:21:49 AM »
« Edited: October 26, 2023, 11:27:46 AM by Senator Incitatus »


Not sure how much impact this will have, but as the article notes, it’s in line with Obama 2011, which also points to a 2021-esque result with changes possible to due to redistricting and partisan shifts.

Menendez is also at -64, which is the sort of thing that usually requires an actual conviction.
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« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2023, 10:42:02 AM »

To me, it seems like we're likely on track for a basically redux of 2021 in terms of seats won, outside of a few shifts. I do think Durr is likely headed for defeat, but outside of that, it seems mostly business as usual.
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« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2023, 10:57:23 AM »

To me, it seems like we're likely on track for a basically redux of 2021 in terms of seats won, outside of a few shifts. I do think Durr is likely headed for defeat, but outside of that, it seems mostly business as usual.

I think this is reasonable.

Why do you believe Durr will lose?
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« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2023, 11:02:56 AM »

To me, it seems like we're likely on track for a basically redux of 2021 in terms of seats won, outside of a few shifts. I do think Durr is likely headed for defeat, but outside of that, it seems mostly business as usual.

If Durr loses (I still don’t think he does), that means Dems almost certainly hold SD-04 and it’s assembly seats, meaning Dems probably have small gains in both chambers.
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« Reply #110 on: October 26, 2023, 11:08:22 AM »

To me, it seems like we're likely on track for a basically redux of 2021 in terms of seats won, outside of a few shifts. I do think Durr is likely headed for defeat, but outside of that, it seems mostly business as usual.

I think this is reasonable.

Why do you believe Durr will lose?

Personally I think Durr's win in 2021 was a major fluke, especially with a lot of negativity towards Sweeney, even among Dems. This year, Ds have massively outspent Rs in that district, and the VBM returns also look way more healthy.
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« Reply #111 on: October 26, 2023, 11:29:23 AM »

To me, it seems like we're likely on track for a basically redux of 2021 in terms of seats won, outside of a few shifts. I do think Durr is likely headed for defeat, but outside of that, it seems mostly business as usual.

If Durr loses (I still don’t think he does), that means Dems almost certainly hold SD-04 and it’s assembly seats, meaning Dems probably have small gains in both chambers.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Durr is being attacked in a specifically directed campaign that is reminiscent of the Norcross campaign against Lee Laskin. I don’t think Republicans lose either seat, but I wouldn’t bank on trends favoring Durr versus Del Borrello.
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« Reply #112 on: October 26, 2023, 12:32:39 PM »
« Edited: October 26, 2023, 12:41:53 PM by Roll Roons »

If Durr loses, I don’t think it would be accurate to call his 2021 victory a fluke. If anything, we could say his initial victory was indicative of a long-term rightward trend in the region that just happened to be interrupted because of his unique vulnerabilities. Rod Blum is the best parallel I can think of.
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« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2023, 07:31:30 PM »

12 days to election:
2021: 296k — 65.7% D, 20.9% R; D+44.8
2022: 347k — 65.5% D, 20.3% R; D+45.2
2023: 302k — 65.6% D, 21.3% R; D+44.3
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« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2023, 07:40:41 PM »

Hot take for a (Dem) upset: LD-39
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« Reply #115 on: October 26, 2023, 08:15:01 PM »


I'm not seeing it. Even when the Bergen GOP nominated Bridgegate Bridget Kelly for Clerk in 2021, she still won the new LD-39 by over 4 points (while losing countywide by 9). Even last year, Jim Tedesco only won LD-39 in the County Executive race by 0.2%. Northern Bergen is clearly trending Dem, but it still has a ways to go in downballot races.
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« Reply #116 on: October 27, 2023, 11:30:55 AM »

Total ballots requested: 929,716
Dem: 531,041 (57.1%)
Rep: 173,321 (18.6%)

Total ballots returned: 310,786
Dem: 203,870 (65.6%)
Rep: 66,277 (21.3%)

Dem return rate: 38.4%
Rep return rate: 38.2%
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« Reply #117 on: October 27, 2023, 01:48:00 PM »

If Durr loses, I don’t think it would be accurate to call his 2021 victory a fluke. If anything, we could say his initial victory was indicative of a long-term rightward trend in the region that just happened to be interrupted because of his unique vulnerabilities. Rod Blum is the best parallel I can think of.

I think this would definitely be the case if Durr loses but the assembly seats stay R.
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« Reply #118 on: October 27, 2023, 07:45:13 PM »

11 days to election:
2021: 324k — 65.6% D, 20.7% R; D+44.9
2022: 373k — 65.2% D, 20.3% R; D+44.9
2023: 311k — 65.6% D, 21.3% R; D+44.3
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« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2023, 02:48:31 PM »


I'm not seeing it. Even when the Bergen GOP nominated Bridgegate Bridget Kelly for Clerk in 2021, she still won the new LD-39 by over 4 points (while losing countywide by 9). Even last year, Jim Tedesco only won LD-39 in the County Executive race by 0.2%. Northern Bergen is clearly trending Dem, but it still has a ways to go in downballot races.

These are new districts though. The new LD-39 is somewhat more Democratic. The Democrats collectively got more primary votes than Republicans as well.
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« Reply #120 on: October 28, 2023, 03:45:01 PM »

These are new districts though. The new LD-39 is somewhat more Democratic. The Democrats collectively got more primary votes than Republicans as well.

Those numbers are for the new district; the old LD-39 extended into Passaic County, so data from county races would not be applicable. And I doubt the number of primary votes signifies anything. In 2021 and especially 2017, the Democratic primary vote was higher than that of the GOP in several LDs that nonetheless stayed red in November.

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« Reply #121 on: October 28, 2023, 05:35:29 PM »

These are new districts though. The new LD-39 is somewhat more Democratic. The Democrats collectively got more primary votes than Republicans as well.

Those numbers are for the new district; the old LD-39 extended into Passaic County, so data from county races would not be applicable. And I doubt the number of primary votes signifies anything. In 2021 and especially 2017, the Democratic primary vote was higher than that of the GOP in several LDs that nonetheless stayed red in November.

Primary turnout (on a district-by-district level) means next to nothing in NJ because there are non-partisan local races that skew turnout and very few contested primaries due to the county system, which causes a few races to skew them as well, usually both in favor of the Democrats.
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« Reply #122 on: October 29, 2023, 06:15:32 PM »

13,268 early voters on Saturday; they were D+18 --- 51% D, 33% R.

Pretty much the exact same as last year; the first day of in-person early voting in 2022 was D+19, 50-31.
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« Reply #123 on: October 30, 2023, 11:24:52 AM »

VBM returned: 328,843
Dem: 215,747 (65.6%)
Rep: 69,519 (21.1%)

Early in-person: 23,710
Dem: 11,493 (48.5%)
Rep: 8,151 (34.4%)
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« Reply #124 on: October 30, 2023, 11:26:55 AM »

Early in-person: 23,710
Dem: 11,493 (48.5%)
Rep: 8,151 (34.4%)

Wonder how much more this gap will close.
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