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« Reply #350 on: October 03, 2023, 03:13:38 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

The responsibility is on McCarthy for making a deal with Gaetz and the Qanon caucus to begin the legislative term.
Not completely his fault although I agree to an extent. No one anticipated these people to go insane and try to destroy the government. I supported them in January but this is unacceptable.

If you failed to anticipate this then that is a skill issue on your part.

The only surprising thing about all of this is how long the crazies actually waited until they did this.

I remember once McCarthy was elected texting my best friend "I give him six months" so yeah I undershot a little bit.
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« Reply #351 on: October 03, 2023, 03:13:43 PM »

Biggs, Buck, Burchett, Crane. Then Gaetz.

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« Reply #352 on: October 03, 2023, 03:13:52 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

The responsibility is on McCarthy for making a deal with Gaetz and the Qanon caucus to begin the legislative term.
Not completely his fault although I agree to an extent. No one anticipated these people to go insane and try to destroy the government. I supported them in January but this is unacceptable.

If you didn't expect this to happen after what happened in January then you really don't know how to read a room.
Pelosi was able to calm down the squad in Jan 2018 and they never tried to snatch power from her.
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« Reply #353 on: October 03, 2023, 03:14:04 PM »

Counting the R votes against McCarthy so far:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Gaetz
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« Reply #354 on: October 03, 2023, 03:14:39 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

The responsibility is on McCarthy for making a deal with Gaetz and the Qanon caucus to begin the legislative term.
Not completely his fault although I agree to an extent. No one anticipated these people to go insane and try to destroy the government. I supported them in January but this is unacceptable.

If you didn't expect this to happen after what happened in January then you really don't know how to read a room.
Pelosi was able to calm down the squad in Jan 2018 and they never tried to snatch power from her.

Progressives actually want to pass laws. The Qanon caucus does not actually care about legislating.
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« Reply #355 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:00 PM »

McCarthy has to be the most dysfunctional speaker in US history by this point.
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« Reply #356 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:04 PM »

We're at four Republican yeas, right? So it's pretty much a done deal.

Five now.  Yeah, unless the last second appeals to moderate Dems worked or someone in the gang of GOP dissenters had a sudden change of heart. 
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« Reply #357 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:39 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

Lol, why on earth would they be responsible?

Dems have no reason to save McCarthy and help the GOP avoid this embarassment. McCarthy bent over backwards to appease Gaetz by running with the false impeachment inquiry, but it did nothing to save his job.
Honestly I think Jeffries should've perhaps offered to have the Democrats vote Present as long as McCarthy met some demands (like dropping impeachment completely and additional Ukraine aid for a certain period), but they're under no obligation to bail him out if he doesn't give them anything in return.

All of this plus DC statehood and AOC's PR status bill would have been the level of commitment needed for Dems to even consider this. A high price, but doable if McCarthy wants it bad enough.

DC Statehood couldn't pass the Senate even if the House passed it. Never going to happen. Deranged idea made particularly more deranged by the current state of DC governance (BLM riots 2020, crime 2023). Cuellar got carjacked yesterday!
With that logic Mississippi shouldn’t exist.
Anyways you don’t speak for the people of DC, stay the f**k outta our business and give us our American rights you edgelord.
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« Reply #358 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:43 PM »

The fact is republicans don’t really have a house majority. It’s effectively a minority government situation where they are reliant on the “supply and confidence” of the tea party to have a house majority .


The main issue is there are no Snap House elections here

The contrast between this and the last congress couldn't be sharper. Nancy Pelosi had exactly the same number of seats and was pretty effective in getting stuff done. The Democrats should run on that in 2024 and make the case for retaking the majority in a second Biden term.
AOC and Omar where only 2, not enough to cause trouble.

Holding the WH also helps as the President can make concessions to individual members through favorable EO’s or letting them have influence over certain appointments
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« Reply #359 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:54 PM »

Special shout-out to CraneHusband for voting to remove McKuckthy
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« Reply #360 on: October 03, 2023, 03:15:58 PM »

Counting the R votes against McCarthy so far:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Gaetz

Good

(Gosar votes Nay.)
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« Reply #361 on: October 03, 2023, 03:16:55 PM »

KEVIN IS GONE

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« Reply #362 on: October 03, 2023, 03:17:12 PM »



is a yea.
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« Reply #363 on: October 03, 2023, 03:18:07 PM »


Yeah barring an unexpected development, we've just witnessed a first in American political history: the Speaker of the House being dismissed. 
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« Reply #364 on: October 03, 2023, 03:18:15 PM »

McCarthy has to be the most dysfunctional speaker in US history by this point.

There might be a couple of 1850s Speakers that have him beat. Pre-Civil War Congress probably was a nightmare.
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« Reply #365 on: October 03, 2023, 03:18:22 PM »

Counting the R votes against McCarthy so far:

Biggs
Buck
Burchett
Crane
Gaetz

Good

(Gosar votes Nay.)

So far all those on the list of 11 have voted Yeah.
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« Reply #366 on: October 03, 2023, 03:18:22 PM »

Partisanship aside...McCarthy really isn't a great speaker anyway.   Not even a fraction as effective as Pelosi but that goes without saying.   Even compared to John Boehner and Paul Ryan he's very subpar.

All he really knows how to manage his caucus is cave to demands by making up promises to be fulfilled down the road, and eventually all the promises seem to add up and become worthless.   That's how he got elected in January and that's how he got here.
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« Reply #367 on: October 03, 2023, 03:18:37 PM »

Fyi, so far all Democrats in attendance have voted Yea.
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« Reply #368 on: October 03, 2023, 03:19:06 PM »

Why would Joe Biden do this?

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« Reply #369 on: October 03, 2023, 03:19:16 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

Lol, why on earth would they be responsible?

Dems have no reason to save McCarthy and help the GOP avoid this embarassment. McCarthy bent over backwards to appease Gaetz by running with the false impeachment inquiry, but it did nothing to save his job.
Honestly I think Jeffries should've perhaps offered to have the Democrats vote Present as long as McCarthy met some demands (like dropping impeachment completely and additional Ukraine aid for a certain period), but they're under no obligation to bail him out if he doesn't give them anything in return.

All of this plus DC statehood and AOC's PR status bill would have been the level of commitment needed for Dems to even consider this. A high price, but doable if McCarthy wants it bad enough.

DC Statehood couldn't pass the Senate even if the House passed it. Never going to happen. Deranged idea made particularly more deranged by the current state of DC governance (BLM riots 2020, crime 2023). Cuellar got carjacked yesterday!
With that logic Mississippi shouldn’t exist.
Anyways you don’t speak for the people of DC, stay the f**k outta our business and give us our American rights you edgelord.

MS homicide rate: 20.5
DC homicide rate: 32.78

Also, the federal capital is located in DC and not in Mississippi for a reason. DC was created as a independent seat of power for the federal capital, and making it a state as a sop to partisans and swamp creatures would defeat that whole purpose.

Just 40% of Americans want to make DC a state: it's hardly edgy to be opposed.

Demanding to make the federal capital a state is the business of all Americans.
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« Reply #370 on: October 03, 2023, 03:19:35 PM »

Wouldn't be a roll call for the Speakership without an Al Green filibuster:
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« Reply #371 on: October 03, 2023, 03:19:58 PM »

Andy Harris also voted for McCarthy again. He was one of the last rebels that flipped in January.
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« Reply #372 on: October 03, 2023, 03:21:21 PM »

"ABSOLUTELY NOT!"  (in a Shakespearean play type voice) from Mike Kelly of PA
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« Reply #373 on: October 03, 2023, 03:21:40 PM »


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« Reply #374 on: October 03, 2023, 03:21:52 PM »

Every Democrat who votes yes is just as responsible for Gaetz reign of terror as the freedom caucus

Lol, why on earth would they be responsible?

Dems have no reason to save McCarthy and help the GOP avoid this embarassment. McCarthy bent over backwards to appease Gaetz by running with the false impeachment inquiry, but it did nothing to save his job.
Honestly I think Jeffries should've perhaps offered to have the Democrats vote Present as long as McCarthy met some demands (like dropping impeachment completely and additional Ukraine aid for a certain period), but they're under no obligation to bail him out if he doesn't give them anything in return.

All of this plus DC statehood and AOC's PR status bill would have been the level of commitment needed for Dems to even consider this. A high price, but doable if McCarthy wants it bad enough.

DC Statehood couldn't pass the Senate even if the House passed it. Never going to happen. Deranged idea made particularly more deranged by the current state of DC governance (BLM riots 2020, crime 2023). Cuellar got carjacked yesterday!
With that logic Mississippi shouldn’t exist.
Anyways you don’t speak for the people of DC, stay the f**k outta our business and give us our American rights you edgelord.

MS homicide rate: 20.5
DC homicide rate: 32.78

Also, the federal capital is located in DC and not in Mississippi for a reason. DC was created as a independent seat of power for the federal capital, and making it a state as a sop to partisans and swamp creatures would defeat that whole purpose.
That’s cute, now do income and life expectancy!

And when DC was created it was an uninhabited swamp, now it has more people than some other us states. Back in the 19th century we also didn’t have most of our states today, but then they grew enough to be viable states. Give us our rights or stay the f**k outta the city.

I don’t give a s**t what Oklahomans have to say, they don’t live here but we do. Our human rights are not a negotiable.
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