Georgia grand jury investigating Trump returns indictments

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Nothingburger

Yes and no.  Let’s assume all this is true for a moment and tbf, it sounds like this was filed by a pretty well-respected lawyer rather than one of the clowns Trump normally hires (although he also has a real lawyer in Georgia) and Willis hasn’t exactly denied the allegations.  The RICO case is still almost certainly not in any jeopardy and even in the unlikely event that some charges do end up getting tossed, it would only be those against Mr. Roman as he’s the only one you could credibly argue was prejudiced by all this.  Then again, Judge Mr. X would be leaning toward tossing the charges against Mr. Roman (although, again, I doubt this happens) pending arguments from the State, so maybe he caught a lucky break.

What is far more likely is that Willis, Wade, and maybe (but not a given like the other two) the entire Fulton County District Attorney’s office get conflicted out of the Roman case (which almost certainly gets tried separately) and a special prosecutor is appointed.  I don’t think Willis or her office get conflicted out on the rest of the case because unless I missed anything, there are no allegations of anything that would have prejudiced or created a conflict regarding any defendants other than Michael Roman.  An embarrassing unforced error for sure, but unlikely to be a game changer or anything to worry too much about unless you think Michael Roman is mission-critical.  

Of course, if it turns out not to be true or is unsupported then that’s moot.  My question is, assuming this is true, how did Mr. Roman’s attorney gain access to sealed divorce records.  If Mr. Roman’s lawyer sought an unredacted copy of sealed records from Mr. Wade’s wife/ex or her attorney (or worse, got a courthouse employee to leak her an unredacted copy), then that’s obviously a serious potential ethics violation by Mr. Roman’s attorney.  

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745163680629559372https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745164906884710869https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745167432350568658https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745166435259674657

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745163680629559372https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745164906884710869https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745167432350568658https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745166435259674657

Yeah, those Billings stink to high heaven.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I don't think that necessarily means he billed 24 hours in one day.  It shows the date each line item was completed, so parts of that line item could have been performed earlier (though it should be noted that some other line items do show a range of dates).  Having said that, the billings do seem absurdly high.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

IDK, $250 an hour actually seems like a pretty low rate for a serious lawyer to be billing.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745434722707104124https://twitter.com/asfleischman/status/1745459372325785601

[Birdish]

Well, we know how Andrew Fleischman feels about it.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/TamarHallerman/status/1744807751321018462https://twitter.com/GsuGrinding/status/1745230532554715463https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1745256197295661326https://twitter.com/ShaneyBeeBack/status/1745409947947381204https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1745448930400157697https://twitter.com/AnthonyMKreis/status/1745448937291747539

Well, we know how Andrew Fleischman feels about it.

https://twitter.com/ASFleischman/status/1745216373033259399

[Birdish]

I imagine a former judge like Wade would be quite an expensive lawyer, so the $250 doesn't sound all that ridiculous. And Wade has been practicing law for over 20 years so you'd presume he'd be quite wealthy.

The optics suck but it's hard for me to buy the "Wade was billing the county and using the proceeds to go on cruises with Willis" when he's a partner at a prestigious law firm and probably a millionaire.

[Badger]

I imagine a former judge like Wade would be quite an expensive lawyer, so the $250 doesn't sound all that ridiculous. And Wade has been practicing law for over 20 years so you'd presume he'd be quite wealthy.

The optics suck but it's hard for me to buy the "Wade was billing the county and using the proceeds to go on cruises with Willis" when he's a partner at a prestigious law firm and probably a millionaire.

250 an hour with those kind of credentials is entirely reasonable. But the hours he's been billing, unless this has been some very sloppy bill into cover the work of multiple Associates working with him on the project- which absolutely should have been denoted in the billing as well - is out and out fraud

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/tamarhallerman/status/1746592879437320414

[emailking]

Seems like a nothing burger as far as Trump's case is concerned. A true bill has already been obtained.

[Neo-Malthusian Misanthrope]

Ga. judge in Trump case orders hearing on accusations of Willis misconduct

If Willis fumbles what should have been the strongest case against Trump due to her own poor personal conduct, it will go down as one of history's great failures.

[Pres Mike]

I suspect the entire case will be thrown out

[Ferguson97]

I suspect the entire case will be thrown out

What do you base this on?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I suspect the entire case will be thrown out

[emailking]

We don't even know if there's a relationship between them beyond friendship. That's just a suspicion. And if there is, at most it needs a special prosecutor. It's not going to be thrown out.

[Landslide Lyndon]

If Willis and her team broke no rules and/or laws while collecting evidence and building their case then what the hell does it matter if she was fooling around with the other guy?

[Alben Barkley]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

[GoTfan]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

His end goal has always been to win the public opinion battle, not the courtroom battle. I don't think it's a stretch to say the odds have tipped towards him on that front.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

His end goal has always been to win the public opinion battle, not the courtroom battle. I don't think it's a stretch to say the odds have tipped towards him on that front.

I mean, how much does that really matter when you’re spending at least the next few years in prison

[Badger]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

His end goal has always been to win the public opinion battle, not the courtroom battle. I don't think it's a stretch to say the odds have tipped towards him on that front.

I mean, how much does that really matter when you’re spending at least the next few years in prison

Everything. His primary purpose for running for president again, in addition to raw unbridled narcissism and a virulent streak of revenge, is to be able to dismiss all counts against him the minute he's elected. He may have trouble doing so in state courts, but being elected president will go a long way towards shielding him even there I'm sure

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

His end goal has always been to win the public opinion battle, not the courtroom battle. I don't think it's a stretch to say the odds have tipped towards him on that front.

I mean, how much does that really matter when you’re spending at least the next few years in prison

Everything. His primary purpose for running for president again, in addition to Roth unbridled narcissism and a virulent streak of revenge, is to be able to dismiss all counts against him the minute he's elected. He may have trouble doing so in state courts, but being elected president will go a long way towards shielding him even there I'm sure

He’ll be a broke, failed presidential candidate come 2025 with nothing awaiting him but prison time.

[Badger]

Yeah this is objectively bad. Not a "nothingburger" at all. It shouldn't derail the actual case, which I always thought was perhaps the strongest against Trump (I mean he's literally on tape telling Raffensperger to "find" him votes), but will give Trump plenty of ammo to attack the prosecution politically. Not good.

His end goal has always been to win the public opinion battle, not the courtroom battle. I don't think it's a stretch to say the odds have tipped towards him on that front.

I mean, how much does that really matter when you’re spending at least the next few years in prison

Everything. His primary purpose for running for president again, in addition to Roth unbridled narcissism and a virulent streak of revenge, is to be able to dismiss all counts against him the minute he's elected. He may have trouble doing so in state courts, but being elected president will go a long way towards shielding him even there I'm sure

He’ll be a broke, failed presidential candidate come 2025 with nothing awaiting him but prison time.

Inshalla

[Farmlands]

For all of the questions of "where are all the blue avatars" in other cases, there's a distinct lack of interest here too. Same thing in r/conservative, in regard to this story, and I wouldn't have known if not for checking this thread.

The story is getting basically no traction in general media, which I assume is a mix of most journalists realizing the case won't get thrown out wholesale because of this, and the GOP primaries being in full motion.