Georgia grand jury investigating Trump returns indictments

[emailking]

MSNBC has had a couple segments on the Willis issue that I've seen so they're at least not ignoring it (nothing until the last few days though). But it's definitely not getting coverage there in proportion to what every other minor development in the case has gotten.

[Dan the Roman]

Realistically I think Trump gets a bunch of pardons if he loses. Whether he accepts them is a different matter, but I always suspected Biden might just want to move on at that point and Trump accepting guilt or rejecting a pardon = finality.

For all it pleases red avatars the argument that an 80 year old former president should serve time in prison was always optically problematic and a deal whereby he agrees to go away ideal. He might be ready to take that deal post loss.

[emailking]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Realistically I think Trump gets a bunch of pardons if he loses. Whether he accepts them is a different matter, but I always suspected Biden might just want to move on at that point and Trump accepting guilt or rejecting a pardon = finality.

For all it pleases red avatars the argument that an 80 year old former president should serve time in prison was always optically problematic and a deal whereby he agrees to go away ideal. He might be ready to take that deal post loss.

There is no universe where this happens nor should it

[President Johnson]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

I don't think Biden would pardon him on anything at the federal level. However, the next Republican president almost certainly will. So hopefully it takes a very long time before that happens.

[emailking]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

I don't think Biden would pardon him on anything at the federal level. However, the next Republican president almost certainly will. So hopefully it takes a very long time before that happens.

Unfortunately, if Biden wins then the issue of pardoning Trump might be a big campaign issue in the next Republican primary. (Assuming he's convicted.)

[GeorgiaModerate]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

It should also be noted that the governor of Georgia has no power to pardon (long story involving a corrupt former governor; google E. D. Rivers if you're interested).  Restoring the power to the governor would require a state constitutional amendment, which has zero chance of occurring.  The pardon power resides in the five-member Board of Pardons and Paroles -- and a person is not eligible for a pardon until five years after completing their sentence.

[Ferguson97]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

I don't think Biden would pardon him on anything at the federal level. However, the next Republican president almost certainly will. So hopefully it takes a very long time before that happens.

Unfortunately, if Biden wins then the issue of pardoning Trump might be a big campaign issue in the next Republican primary. (Assuming he's convicted.)

Well just have to make sure that there are no more Republican presidents in Trump’s lifetime.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Well Biden can't pardon him for the Georgia case. He's going to have to win this one on his own.

I don't think Biden would pardon him on anything at the federal level. However, the next Republican president almost certainly will. So hopefully it takes a very long time before that happens.

Unfortunately, if Biden wins then the issue of pardoning Trump might be a big campaign issue in the next Republican primary. (Assuming he's convicted.)

Well just have to make sure that there are no more Republican presidents in Trump’s lifetime.

This reminds me of an apocryphal quote after the 1983 UK election by a member of Thatcher's cabinet that "our job is to keep Labor away from power until they get in their right mind again".

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Realistically I think Trump gets a bunch of pardons if he loses. Whether he accepts them is a different matter, but I always suspected Biden might just want to move on at that point and Trump accepting guilt or rejecting a pardon = finality.

For all it pleases red avatars the argument that an 80 year old former president should serve time in prison was always optically problematic and a deal whereby he agrees to go away ideal. He might be ready to take that deal post loss.

Aside from the fact that such a "deal" would be blatant corruption, there's no reason to expect Trump to abide by it.

[Pres Mike]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/22/trump-jan-6-trial-polls-00136688

Just as I predicted. Willis was hoping for an August trial, which was unrealistic. With the accusations against her and no wanting to appear interfering with the election, the Georgia case probably won't go to trial before the election

[wbrocks67]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/22/trump-jan-6-trial-polls-00136688

Just as I predicted. Willis was hoping for an August trial, which was unrealistic. With the accusations against her and no wanting to appear interfering with the election, the Georgia case probably won't go to trial before the election

This is all getting frankly ridiculous.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/22/trump-jan-6-trial-polls-00136688

Just as I predicted. Willis was hoping for an August trial, which was unrealistic. With the accusations against her and no wanting to appear interfering with the election, the Georgia case probably won't go to trial before the election

They’re wrong about the Georgia case.  August is not unrealistic and the idea that the allegations against Willis will “upend the case” is doesn’t pass the laugh test.  I mean, it’s just silly and the product of either ignorance by the author of the article or dishonest doomerism.  It’s entirely possible the Georgia stuff gets kicked to after the election, but if so, this won’t be why.  And it’s also entirely possible that it will go ahead before the election.

[emailking]

Probably all that happens is the Special Prosecutor has to leave the case.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1749474900178247681https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1749476818141196564https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1749479388238815238https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1749482375510167941

[wbrocks67]

Literally all of this over unsubstantiated allegations. It's very clear what's going on here.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/fulton-county-subpoenas-willis-wade-election-subversion/index.html

Willis, Wade and others expected to be subpoenaed for hearing on Fulton County DA affair allegations

A current and former law partner to Nathan Wade, the special prosecutor leading the 2020 election subversion case in Georgia, have been told to expect a subpoena to testify at a hearing next month on whether he and the district attorney who brought the case should be disqualified over their alleged affair and financial ties, sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

The district attorney, Fani Willis, also is expected to be subpoenaed, sources say, and possibly others in her office.
...

The Fulton County judge overseeing the criminal case against former President Donald Trump and his allies called for the hearing to address claims from one of Trump’s co-defendants that Willis and Wade have a conflict of interest. Citing financial statements turned up in Wade’s current divorce proceeding, lawyers for Trump’s co-defendant, Mike Roman, argue that Willis financially benefited when Wade took her on lavish vacations after she hired him as special prosecutor.

No surprise, won’t amount to anything though regarding the case

[kwabbit]

Literally all of this over unsubstantiated allegations. It's very clear what's going on here.

Willis hasn't denied a romantic relationship with Wade. It's quite simple to do that if you're not having a romantic relationship, but hard to do so if you are and a brief investigation will reveal that.

Not that this really affects the merits of the case, as it's pretty obvious that the charges leveled against Trump are true, but if there's evidence Willis is profiting via Wade, who has received $600k thus far, then they both need to be canned. If Trump is trying to discredit his prosecution as attention-seeking and corrupt, then this becoming true will help him greatly. It's obvious that prosecuting him is a great career move but it cannot be enriching the prosecution as well.

[Epaminondas]

Realistically I think Trump gets a bunch of pardons if he loses. Whether he accepts them is a different matter, but I always suspected Biden might just want to move on at that point and Trump accepting guilt or rejecting a pardon = finality.

For all it pleases red avatars the argument that an 80 year old former president should serve time in prison was always optically problematic and a deal whereby he agrees to go away ideal. He might be ready to take that deal post loss.

Pardoning Nixon just legitimized his vicious and criminal political strategies, which survive to this day in the GOP thanks to it.

Trump should in no circumstance get off so easily, after so recklessly undermining US democracy.

[Redban]

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/trump-lawyers-move-to-dismiss-fani-willis/

Trump lawyers move to dismiss DA Fani Willis from election fraud case, accusing her of ‘racial prejudice

Lawyers defending Trump against the 13 felony counts [claim] DA Fani Willis has made “extrajudicial public statements falsely and intentionally injecting race into this case.”
…
Willis … made a speech at a historically black church Martin Luther King Jr. celebration in which she claimed her critics were attacking her and Wade because they are people of color.
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Trump’s lawyers referenced the speech in court filings Thursday, saying she had “violated her special responsibilities of a prosecutor under the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct.”

“Her attempt to foment racial animus and prejudice against the defendants in order to divert and deflect attention away from her alleged improprieties calls out for the sanctions of dismissal and disqualification,” Steve Sadow, lead defense counsel for President Trump in the Georgia case, wrote.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/trump-lawyers-move-to-dismiss-fani-willis/

Trump lawyers move to dismiss DA Fani Willis from election fraud case, accusing her of ‘racial prejudice

Lawyers defending Trump against the 13 felony counts [claim] DA Fani Willis has made “extrajudicial public statements falsely and intentionally injecting race into this case.”
…
Willis … made a speech at a historically black church Martin Luther King Jr. celebration in which she claimed her critics were attacking her and Wade because they are people of color.
…
Trump’s lawyers referenced the speech in court filings Thursday, saying she had “violated her special responsibilities of a prosecutor under the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct.”

“Her attempt to foment racial animus and prejudice against the defendants in order to divert and deflect attention away from her alleged improprieties calls out for the sanctions of dismissal and disqualification,” Steve Sadow, lead defense counsel for President Trump in the Georgia case, wrote.

LMAO this is dumb as

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/trump-lawyers-move-to-dismiss-fani-willis/

Trump lawyers move to dismiss DA Fani Willis from election fraud case, accusing her of ‘racial prejudice

Lawyers defending Trump against the 13 felony counts [claim] DA Fani Willis has made “extrajudicial public statements falsely and intentionally injecting race into this case.”
…
Willis … made a speech at a historically black church Martin Luther King Jr. celebration in which she claimed her critics were attacking her and Wade because they are people of color.
…
Trump’s lawyers referenced the speech in court filings Thursday, saying she had “violated her special responsibilities of a prosecutor under the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct.”

“Her attempt to foment racial animus and prejudice against the defendants in order to divert and deflect attention away from her alleged improprieties calls out for the sanctions of dismissal and disqualification,” Steve Sadow, lead defense counsel for President Trump in the Georgia case, wrote.

LMAO this is dumb as

You don’t think a DA’s labeling defendants as racist can  poison the jury pool ?

Trump is a racist

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://nypost.com/2024/01/25/news/trump-lawyers-move-to-dismiss-fani-willis/

Trump lawyers move to dismiss DA Fani Willis from election fraud case, accusing her of ‘racial prejudice

Lawyers defending Trump against the 13 felony counts [claim] DA Fani Willis has made “extrajudicial public statements falsely and intentionally injecting race into this case.”
…
Willis … made a speech at a historically black church Martin Luther King Jr. celebration in which she claimed her critics were attacking her and Wade because they are people of color.
…
Trump’s lawyers referenced the speech in court filings Thursday, saying she had “violated her special responsibilities of a prosecutor under the Georgia Rules of Professional Conduct.”

“Her attempt to foment racial animus and prejudice against the defendants in order to divert and deflect attention away from her alleged improprieties calls out for the sanctions of dismissal and disqualification,” Steve Sadow, lead defense counsel for President Trump in the Georgia case, wrote.

IT'S ALWAYS PROJECTION

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Cyberattack hits Georgia county where Trump faces election interference charges

A cyberattack that hit government systems in Fulton County, Georgia, over the weekend affected the offices of the district attorney who is prosecuting former President Donald Trump on election interference charges, local officials said Monday.

All desktop phones, intranet and devices using county servers are down for all departments, including District Attorney Fani Willis' office, said a county official with knowledge of the situation.

County employees received an email notification about the outage Monday, the official said.

Fulton County Board of Commissioners Chairman Robb Pitts confirmed at a news briefing Monday afternoon that the outage, which he said affected the county’s phones, courts and tax systems, "was a result of a cybersecurity incident" and that law enforcement was investigating.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Wade takes an 11th hour deal to avoid testifying about his affair with Fani. He probably had to give his wife whatever she wanted, all to avoid admitting publicly that he had an affair with Fani

https://nypost.com/2024/01/30/news/da-fani-willis-alleged-lover-nathan-wade-reaches-divorce-settlement/

The Atlanta special prosecutor who brought election interference charges against Donald Trump reached a temporary divorce settlement with his estranged wife Tuesday — meaning he likely won’t have to testify in court about his alleged affair with his district attorney boss.

The settlement automatically canceled a hearing scheduled for Wednesday in which Nathan Wade was expected to answer about his relationship with Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution

That's a bit overstating the case.  Here's a clarification from one of the best reporters on the Fulton County cases:

https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1752476021117366508
https://twitter.com/AnnaBower/status/1752483388332658852