West African Crisis

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686413125610885127?s=20

[Silent Hunter]

Ah yes the West's governments famously doesn't invest in infrastructure and technology in Africa, that old trope. God forbid it actually wants to improve the lives of ordinary citizens there, even if by a slither compared to the PRC and Russia, who mainly are concerned about the dictator in place and stabilising such a regime, to a higher degree than the West..

They did invest, in stuff like railways that made getting the resources out easier.

[Red Velvet]

Ah yes the West's governments famously doesn't invest in infrastructure and technology in Africa, that old trope. God forbid it actually wants to improve the lives of ordinary citizens there, even if by a slither compared to the PRC and Russia, who mainly are concerned about the dictator in place and stabilising such a regime, to a higher degree than the West..

They did invest, in stuff like railways that made getting the resources out easier.

Not only railways and roads, but also hospitals and schools! China, at least.

Russia’s current move is forgiving $23 Billion of debt for African countries. And that’s while Russia is at war against other country, not like they don’t need the money.

The Western world otoh doesn’t offer them anything. They still make Africa pay colonial tax as cost for its independence while only going there to give lectures about embracing LGBT and Carbon emissions that were caused by their own consumption - while Africa simply isn’t the continent responsible for global warming.

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Ah yes the West's governments famously doesn't invest in infrastructure and technology in Africa, that old trope. God forbid it actually wants to improve the lives of ordinary citizens there, even if by a slither compared to the PRC and Russia, who mainly are concerned about the dictator in place and stabilising such a regime, to a higher degree than the West.

What the PRC is doing there is more toxic than anything the West has done in the last 30 years there, and I don't think the West has clean hands either. But all these human rights programs that went with the ACP-EU trade deal weren't always just fluff, they helped a lot of people. The PRC won't care because it has no interest in the ordinary livelihood of Africans, as opposed to the slither of interest we show.

It is also significant that not only is FOCAC ignoring Niger, but also local supporters of the Global China South are stubbornly ignoring my question about it.

[Cassius]

Have there been any actual demonstrations of support within the country for Bazoum? Haven’t seen anything but I could be wrong. If not, surely that should give some pause for thought regarding intervention (not that I believe intervention to be a particularly likely scenario).

[Lord Halifax]

Have there been any actual demonstrations of support within the country for Bazoum? Haven’t seen anything but I could be wrong. If not, surely that should give some pause for thought regarding intervention (not that I believe intervention to be a particularly likely scenario).

there were big demonstrations in the capital in the days immediately after the coup

[CumbrianLefty]

Have there been any actual demonstrations of support within the country for Bazoum? Haven’t seen anything but I could be wrong. If not, surely that should give some pause for thought regarding intervention (not that I believe intervention to be a particularly likely scenario).

there were big demonstrations in the capital in the days immediately after the coup

Yes, he definitely does have local support (though of course hard to quantify just how much)

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/faytuks/status/1686715178694438912?s=12

[It’s so Joever]

Given that Mali AND Niger now are turning from the US, could we someday see the west supporting Tuareg separatism?

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686739082452340736?s=20

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686739082452340736?s=20

Of course.

[PSOL]

Have there been any actual demonstrations of support within the country for Bazoum? Haven’t seen anything but I could be wrong. If not, surely that should give some pause for thought regarding intervention (not that I believe intervention to be a particularly likely scenario).

there were big demonstrations in the capital in the days immediately after the coup

Specifically, 55%+ of the voters in the prior election along with tacit support of some voters of the main opposition party whose prior presidential nominee also tried to reverse the coup.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686886184193048576?s=20

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686886184193048576?s=20

Damn seriously looks like were about to see a big war in west Africa 🙁

[Oleg 🇰🇿🤝🇺🇦]

Under of Chinese soft power and Russian hard power, ECOWAS is melting like snow, so only one or two countries may remain in it before the start of hostilities.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Things move fast in Africa. In just one day:

* Côte d'Ivoire announced their support for a military intervention by ECOWAS

* Nigerian orders deploying troops to Sokoto were leaked

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https://twitter.com/anonymouswave1/status/1686764416766013445

* Guinea joined Mali and Burkhina Faso in offering military support in defense of the CNSP

* Mass riots escalated in Senegal

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https://twitter.com/mansam00sa/status/1686777337218502656

* An attempted coup plot was thwarted by the authorities in Sierra Leone

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https://twitter.com/DavidHundeyin/status/1686403856266117120

Also, it's been revealed that the CNSP had made contact with the regimes in Burkina Faso and Mali even before the coup. The question then arises, could there be more military leaders in ECOWAS countries with connections to the juntas?

If there isn't an agreement in the next week we might need an entire West African Crisis thread

[PSOL]

The arrest of Ousmane Sonko should highlight how there are no sides here for democracy or security, but of self-interested elites garnering their power from guns brandished in and with caveats of implicit payment from colonial authorities.

The thread shall reflect that shift.

[TheReckoning]

West Africa has been in crisis for its entire existence, lmao.

[Battista Minola 1616]

The arrest of Ousmane Sonko should highlight how there are no sides here for democracy or security, but of self-interested elites garnering their power from guns brandished in and with caveats of implicit payment from colonial authorities.

The thread shall reflect that shift.

Not the first time Sonko has been arrested, but I read that the government also dissolved PASTEF, which is a pretty troubling sign.

[Zinneke]

West Africa has been in crisis for its entire existence, lmao.

"lmao"

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France's neocolonialism isn't going well.

[Zinneke]

France's neocolonialism isn't going well.

Again such a lazy trope.

Of course the origin of these issues is France and the UK and their horrible neo-colonial legacy.

But there's a very effective spotlight being shone on the West while Russia having a PMC there is apprently...ah-OK?

Maoist-Lin Biaoist rhetoric from people who aren't even on the ground there or have never been to an African country. Y'all need to stop listening to Radio War Nerd and masturbating to Jason Unruhe videos.

[Red Velvet]

France's neocolonialism isn't going well.

Again such a lazy trope.

Of course the origin of these issues is France and the UK and their horrible neo-colonial legacy.

But there's a very effective spotlight being shone on the West while Russia having a PMC there is apprently...ah-OK?

Maoist-Lin Biaoist rhetoric from people who aren't even on the ground there or have never been to an African country. Y'all need to stop listening to Radio War Nerd and masturbating to Jason Unruhe videos.

You’re making a LOT of assumptions about that poster thoughts when they simply only said one simple phrase about French neocolonialism being on a downward trend. Which is simply a FACT regardless of feelings about it.

Even before this coup, just look at Macron reception while touring this year around Africa by African leaderships, you’ve NEVER seen Africa be as assertive and hostile towards France like they’re being now.

It’s the complete opposite logic that has always existed, in 2017 it was Macron going to African countries to mock and humiliate their leaders, now it’s the other way around. Something has changed and I don’t think just in Africa but that’s where you 100% see the strongest reactions.

[Hindsight was 2020]

France's neocolonialism isn't going well.

Again such a lazy trope.

Of course the origin of these issues is France and the UK and their horrible neo-colonial legacy.

But there's a very effective spotlight being shone on the West while Russia having a PMC there is apprently...ah-OK?

Maoist-Lin Biaoist rhetoric from people who aren't even on the ground there or have never been to an African country. Y'all need to stop listening to Radio War Nerd and masturbating to Jason Unruhe videos.

Asking Jfern not to be a red-brown tankie is asking a fish not to swim

[Red Velvet]

Calling France neocolonialist in Africa is also “tankie” now?



It’s really becoming the Western scapegoat word for any criticism towards any Western country. Poor innocent French who only ever wanted to help Africa!