Papal Conclave - 2007 Info Center

[Flying Dog]

Ah, its to late to join,  isnt it?

[12th Doctor]

Ah, its to late to join,  isnt it?

Eh... I am well into creating the senario for this one, but if you want to participate in the next one, you are mor ethan welcome and I will remember to remind you.

[12th Doctor]

Sorry for the delay everyone, I have had some personal stuff to deal with for the past couple days, but I promise I will get this all out soon.  I hope no one is losing interest... either way, thanks. 

[Gabu]

Sorry for the delay everyone, I have had some personal stuff to deal with for the past couple days, but I promise I will get this all out soon.  I hope no one is losing interest... either way, thanks. 

Losing interest?  I'm waiting with bated breath for this to begin.   It sounds very interesting.

[J. J.]

Sorry for the delay everyone, I have had some personal stuff to deal with for the past couple days, but I promise I will get this all out soon.  I hope no one is losing interest... either way, thanks. 

Losing interest?  I'm waiting with bated breath for this to begin.   It sounds very interesting.

So am I.

[Keystone Phil]

Sorry for the delay everyone, I have had some personal stuff to deal with for the past couple days, but I promise I will get this all out soon.  I hope no one is losing interest... either way, thanks. 

Losing interest?  I'm waiting with bated breath for this to begin.   It sounds very interesting.

So am I.

Same 

[MAS117]

I finally have free time! Life is good! Let me know if I can still participate in this!

[bullmoose88]

I finally have free time! Life is good! Let me know if I can still participate in this!

Did you bother going to class in this sh**tty weather MAS?

[MAS117]

I finally have free time! Life is good! Let me know if I can still participate in this!

Did you bother going to class in this sh**tty weather MAS?

3 fing weeks before Summer break and its snowing! Yeah I went to class today, but I also skipped a few lol.

[12th Doctor]

Let me think about this for a bit.  Now that there are three of you who want in, it might be enough for me to reformulate things and maintain balance.  I like the balance I had before, but *grumble grumble*....


Anyway, yeah, I suppose you can all join, the only thing is I am gonna need to make some changes to the gameplay, the non=player Cardinals and such... also, I would REALLY like to see at least one more conservative player join up.

[Akno21]

And Finally... the Questions

Some of these questions might sound a bit repetetive, but each one has a different focus.

Check the one that is closest to your view:

Theological

1) The clearest path to Salvation is through

[ ] The Sacraments

[ ] Good works

[ ] Simple faith, like that of a child

[X ] Having a complex and  intimate understanding of one's faith

2) Marian Devotion and the Saints

[ ] Mary should be seen in the role of "co-redemptrix".  Not equal to Christ,
    but still playing an essential role in salvation.

[ ] Mary should be adored as the Mother of God and a powerful advocate
    for sinners, but lets not get carried away.

[ ] Catholics aren't supposed to "worship" Mary and the saints, but there
    are plenty who don't seem to know that.  We should place less
    emphasis on them, less people get confused and begin to pray someone
    other than God.

[ X] In the modern age it is fitting for us to stress a more personal relationship with God.
    Mary should be adored and the saints should be praised and looked up to, but people
    should be more willing to simply “take their problems” directly to God.

3) The mass

[ ] The mass should adhere to a strict protocol.  Things are done a certain way for a reason.
     We should go back to a Latin format.

[ X] Keep the mass as is.

[ ] The mass should be less formal.  More a celebration than a ritual.

4) The Modern Church has a responsibility to
[ ] Ensure social and economic justice.

[ X] Ensure the spiritual well being of its members.

5) The Church should work harder to reinforce the faith of

[ ] The community

[ X] The individual

6) Christian Reconciliation

[ ] All non-Catholics are heretics, to be damned in the eternal fires of Hell.  Why should we care
    about reconciliation?

[X ] Reconciliation with other Christian groups, particularly Orthodox groups, is desirable.
    As the one true faith, it should be on our terms, however.

[ ] The Church needs to breath with two lungs again.  We should work out our differences with
     the Orthodox faiths, and also seek to reincorporate the Church of England into the fold.

[ ] We should not actively seek reconciliation, as it is not necessary.  All Christians are brothers of
     one faith, even if we don’t agree on all the specifics.

Political

1) Which should be a higher priority for the Church?

[ ] To promote a message that emphasizes protecting life and condemning modern societies trend
     towards devaluing it.

[ ] To promote a sense of economic justice and basic equality for people all over the world,
     condemning those who exploit the labor of others.

[X ] I prefer an approach that balances the two.

2) View of globalization

[ ] Globalization is an important force for promoting basic rights and economic opportunity for all
     people.

[ X] Globalization exploits the weaker and poorer to the benefit of the stronger and wealthier.

3) What is your view on separation of Church and State

[ ] It is the duty of any good Catholic, whether a member of the clergy or a layperson, to make
    sure that the laws of their country uphold at least the most basic moral standards.  The Vatican
    should be vigorously involved in promoting moral standards for governments all over the world

[ X] Morality is a matter of individual choice.  The clergy should work to instill high moral
    standards in their parishioners, but the Church should not be involved in controlling the laws of
    world governments.

4) The “West” and the “Rest”

[ ] The West is the home of Christianity and is still the base of the Christian world.  The
     deterioration of Christian devotion in Europe is very worrisome.  How can Christianity
     continue to spread if the area that fostered it is no longer Christian?  We must focus on
     revitalizing Christianity in the West, especially in Europe.

[X ] Catholicism is blossoming in many countries that are not traditionally Christian.  While we
     Should not place the majority of attention on Africa and Asia, we should change are thinking
     to a moral global mind set.

[ ] The West must learn to be more responsible with its power, especially the United States.  All
     to often, Third World countries, where many poor Christians live, are exploited by these
    Westerners who have clearly lost their way to greed and materialism.  Maybe we should send      missionaries from the rest of the World to remind the West of what they have become.  Either
    way, the Church’s focus should be on the Developing World.

5)Are other faiths "valid"?

[ ] No.  Catholicism is the only valid faith.  Salvation can only be found
    through the sacraments.

[ X] Validation comes through belief in Christ.  All Christian faiths are valid.

[ ] Christianity, Islam and Judaism are valid, as they all believe in the one
    God variously called Yahweh, Allah or simply "Lord".

[ ] Any faith that holds true to the spirit of love and brotherhood expressed
    by Jesus Christ is valid.  All good people will know Christ is death, if not in
    life.

Structure

1) Which most closely matches your view?

[ ] Many of the changes made by Vatican II seem to have robbed the Church of much of its moral
    authority.  The striping of power away from the hands of the clergy and into the hands of lay      people has been, on the whole, bad for the theological and structural cohesion of the Church.       It is hard for the Church to say anything without being challenged, and people have only
    become more bold with their challenges.  In the mean time, it hasn’t done much for Church
    attendance, as many people have started to think that if “it isn’t that important, then why
    bother”.  Clergy, bishops and the Pope need to take back the moral authority to tell people how
    it is.  People need discipline and direction in faith.

[ X] Vatican II was a good step towards further devolution of the Church.  Faith can’t be a “one-      size-fits-all” matter.  People are different.  Would we rather have more people feel included, or      turn more people away.  Lay organizations such as Parish councils also give people more stake in their parish community and helps them feel more involved in their parish and their own faith.  I don’t want a Church with no authority, just one that isn’t so strictly institutionalized, one that feels less like an organization and more like a faith community.

[12th Doctor]

I also want to say that the people I am adding now are much less likely to get exactly what they want in terms of character background that the other players, but I will do my best to keep as close to your wants as possible.

[MAS117]

I'm just going to sit this one out, I don't think I have enough time to keep up with this and Super is putting in alot of hard work so I don't want to mess this up. Good luck!

[12th Doctor]

I'm just going to sit this one out, I don't think I have enough time to keep up with this and Super is putting in alot of hard work so I don't want to mess this up. Good luck!

Don't worry about it... if you honestly can't, then fine, but if you are staying out to not mess things up, then please don't, because I already had to make adjustments based on three new players.

[MAS117]

I'm just going to sit this one out, I don't think I have enough time to keep up with this and Super is putting in alot of hard work so I don't want to mess this up. Good luck!

Don't worry about it... if you honestly can't, then fine, but if you are staying out to not mess things up, then please don't, because I already had to make adjustments based on three new players.

Alright well if you already made adjustments for the game, then I'm in! I'll fill out the stuff now.

[MAS117]

Personal Profiles

Name: Nicholas Cardinal Alexander

1) Are you a member of the Roman Curia, or a pastoral bishop.

[ ] The Curia:  Members of the Curia are well known, and will start out with
                       an early advantage.  They will also be more platable to other
                       members of the Curia, at least at first.  They might have a
                       hard time winning over Cardinals who are from outside of
                       Rome, however.
[X] Pastoral Bishop:  Many will be lesser known, and not quite as well
                       connected, but they could pick up significant support as
                       the conclave proceeds.

2) Do you come from a wealthy or poor country.

[X] Wealthy:   Chances are you will start out in higher standing, but will be
                      unlikely to garner support from those who orginate in the 3rd
                      World.

[ ] Poor:         You will arive with a lower profile, but have the potential to
                      win over considerable support, due to your background.

Note:  Members of the Curia may also be from the poorer regions of the world.  Also, some countries with significant regional income differences might be divided into seperate classes (such as Nothern and Southern Italy).

3) Are you European or non-European? (no explanation required)

[ ] European

[X] non-European

Note:  For the Purpose of the game, Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc, are not classified as Europeans.  This group is for people who are strictly European.

4) Are you a Scholar or a "Man-of-the-people"?

[ ] Scholar:      Some groups and individuals prefer a more scholarly Pope

[ X] Man-of-the-People:  Where as some prefer one who is easier for the
                       average person to relate to.

5) Older or Younger?

[ ] Older

[X ] Younger

6) What's your ego like?

[ ] Humble and Quiet: People will preceive you as being more spiritual and
                        nurturing

[X] Bombastic and Outspoke: People will precieve you as being more of a
                        "champion" and strong-willed

[MAS117]

Theological

1) The clearest path to Salvation is through

[ ] The Sacraments

[X ] Good works

[ ] Simple faith, like that of a child

[ ] Having a complex and  intimate understanding of one's faith

2) Marian Devotion and the Saints

[X] Mary should be seen in the role of "co-redemptrix".  Not equal to Christ,
    but still playing an essential role in salvation.

[ ] Mary should be adored as the Mother of God and a powerful advocate
    for sinners, but lets not get carried away.

[ ] Catholics aren't supposed to "worship" Mary and the saints, but there
    are plenty who don't seem to know that.  We should place less
    emphasis on them, less people get confused and begin to pray someone
    other than God.

[ ] In the modern age it is fitting for us to stress a more personal relationship with God. Mary should be adored and the saints should be praised and looked up to, but people should be more willing to simply “take their problems” directly to God.

3) The mass

[ ] The mass should adhere to a strict protocol.  Things are done a certain way for a reason.
     We should go back to a Latin format.

[X] Keep the mass as is.

[ ] The mass should be less formal.  More a celebration than a ritual.

4) The Modern Church has a responsibility to
[ ] Ensure social and economic justice.

[X ] Ensure the spiritual well being of its members.

5) The Church should work harder to reinforce the faith of

[ ] The community

[X ] The individual

6) Christian Reconciliation

[ ] All non-Catholics are heretics, to be damned in the eternal fires of Hell.  Why should we care
    about reconciliation?

[X ] Reconciliation with other Christian groups, particularly Orthodox groups, is desirable.
    As the one true faith, it should be on our terms, however.

[ ] The Church needs to breath with two lungs again.  We should work out our differences with
     the Orthodox faiths, and also seek to reincorporate the Church of England into the fold.

[ ] We should not actively seek reconciliation, as it is not necessary.  All Christians are brothers of
     one faith, even if we don’t agree on all the specifics.

Political

1) Which should be a higher priority for the Church?

[ ] To promote a message that emphasizes protecting life and condemning modern societies trend
     towards devaluing it.

[ ] To promote a sense of economic justice and basic equality for people all over the world,
     condemning those who exploit the labor of others.

[X ] I prefer an approach that balances the two.

2) View of globalization

[ X] Globalization is an important force for promoting basic rights and economic opportunity for all
     people.

[ ] Globalization exploits the weaker and poorer to the benefit of the stronger and wealthier.

3) What is your view on separation of Church and State

[ ] It is the duty of any good Catholic, whether a member of the clergy or a layperson, to make
    sure that the laws of their country uphold at least the most basic moral standards.  The Vatican
    should be vigorously involved in promoting moral standards for governments all over the world

[X ] Morality is a matter of individual choice.  The clergy should work to instill high moral
    standards in their parishioners, but the Church should not be involved in controlling the laws of
    world governments.

4) The “West” and the “Rest”

[ X] The West is the home of Christianity and is still the base of the Christian world.  The
     deterioration of Christian devotion in Europe is very worrisome.  How can Christianity
     continue to spread if the area that fostered it is no longer Christian?  We must focus on
     revitalizing Christianity in the West, especially in Europe.

[ ] Catholicism is blossoming in many countries that are not traditionally Christian.  While we
     Should not place the majority of attention on Africa and Asia, we should change are thinking
     to a moral global mind set.

[ ] The West must learn to be more responsible with its power, especially the United States.  All
     to often, Third World countries, where many poor Christians live, are exploited by these
    Westerners who have clearly lost their way to greed and materialism.  Maybe we should send      missionaries from the rest of the World to remind the West of what they have become.  Either
    way, the Church’s focus should be on the Developing World.

5)Are other faiths "valid"?

[ ] No.  Catholicism is the only valid faith.  Salvation can only be found
    through the sacraments.

[X ] Validation comes through belief in Christ.  All Christian faiths are valid.

[ ] Christianity, Islam and Judaism are valid, as they all believe in the one
    God variously called Yahweh, Allah or simply "Lord".

[ ] Any faith that holds true to the spirit of love and brotherhood expressed
    by Jesus Christ is valid.  All good people will know Christ is death, if not in
    life.

Structure

1) Which most closely matches your view?

[ ] Many of the changes made by Vatican II seem to have robbed the Church of much of its moral
    authority.  The striping of power away from the hands of the clergy and into the hands of lay      people has been, on the whole, bad for the theological and structural cohesion of the Church.       It is hard for the Church to say anything without being challenged, and people have only
    become more bold with their challenges.  In the mean time, it hasn’t done much for Church
    attendance, as many people have started to think that if “it isn’t that important, then why
    bother”.  Clergy, bishops and the Pope need to take back the moral authority to tell people how
    it is.  People need discipline and direction in faith.

[ X] Vatican II was a good step towards further devolution of the Church.  Faith can’t be a “one-      size-fits-all” matter.  People are different.  Would we rather have more people feel included, or      turn more people away.  Lay organizations such as Parish councils also give people more stake in their parish community and helps them feel more involved in their parish and their own faith.  I don’t want a Church with no authority, just one that isn’t so strictly institutionalized, one that feels less like an organization and more like a faith community.

[Colin]

Any updates on this Soulty?

[12th Doctor]

Any updates on this Soulty?

Yeah... given the fact that I am making a few changes, I still need to nail down the particulars of scoring (which turned out to be a bit harder than I figured) and I have a Stats test tomorrow and Friday, I am think we should be opperational by Sunday.

[Flying Dog]

Personal Profiles

Name: Antony Miller

1) Are you a member of the Roman Curia, or a pastoral bishop.

[ ] The Curia:  Members of the Curia are well known, and will start out with
                       an early advantage.  They will also be more platable to other
                       members of the Curia, at least at first.  They might have a
                       hard time winning over Cardinals who are from outside of
                       Rome, however.
[X] Pastoral Bishop:  Many will be lesser known, and not quite as well
                       connected, but they could pick up significant support as
                       the conclave proceeds.

2) Do you come from a wealthy or poor country.

[X] Wealthy:   Chances are you will start out in higher standing, but will be
                      unlikely to garner support from those who orginate in the 3rd
                      World.

[ ] Poor:         You will arive with a lower profile, but have the potential to
                      win over considerable support, due to your background.

Note:  Members of the Curia may also be from the poorer regions of the world.  Also, some countries with significant regional income differences might be divided into seperate classes (such as Nothern and Southern Italy).

3) Are you European or non-European? (no explanation required)

[ ] European

[X] non-European

Note:  For the Purpose of the game, Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc, are not classified as Europeans.  This group is for people who are strictly European.

4) Are you a Scholar or a "Man-of-the-people"?

[ ] Scholar:      Some groups and individuals prefer a more scholarly Pope

[X] Man-of-the-People:  Where as some prefer one who is easier for the
                       average person to relate to.

5) Older or Younger?

[X] Older

[ ] Younger

6) What's your ego like?

[ ] Humble and Quiet: People will preceive you as being more spiritual and
                        nurturing

[X] Bombastic and Outspoke: People will precieve you as being more of a
                        "champion" and strong-willed

[Flying Dog]

Theological

1) The clearest path to Salvation is through

[ ] The Sacraments

[X] Good works

[ ] Simple faith, like that of a child

[ ] Having a complex and  intimate understanding of one's faith

2) Marian Devotion and the Saints

[ ] Mary should be seen in the role of "co-redemptrix".  Not equal to Christ,
    but still playing an essential role in salvation.

[X] Mary should be adored as the Mother of God and a powerful advocate
    for sinners, but lets not get carried away.

[ ] Catholics aren't supposed to "worship" Mary and the saints, but there
    are plenty who don't seem to know that.  We should place less
    emphasis on them, less people get confused and begin to pray someone
    other than God.

[ ] In the modern age it is fitting for us to stress a more personal relationship with God.
    Mary should be adored and the saints should be praised and looked up to, but people
    should be more willing to simply “take their problems” directly to God.

3) The mass

[ ] The mass should adhere to a strict protocol.  Things are done a certain way for a reason.
     We should go back to a Latin format.

[X] Keep the mass as is.

[ ] The mass should be less formal.  More a celebration than a ritual.

4) The Modern Church has a responsibility to
[X] Ensure social and economic justice.

[ ] Ensure the spiritual well being of its members.

5) The Church should work harder to reinforce the faith of

[ ] The community

[X] The individual

6) Christian Reconciliation

[ ] All non-Catholics are heretics, to be damned in the eternal fires of Hell.  Why should we care
    about reconciliation?

[ ] Reconciliation with other Christian groups, particularly Orthodox groups, is desirable.
    As the one true faith, it should be on our terms, however.

[X] The Church needs to breath with two lungs again.  We should work out our differences with
     the Orthodox faiths, and also seek to reincorporate the Church of England into the fold.

[ ] We should not actively seek reconciliation, as it is not necessary.  All Christians are brothers of
     one faith, even if we don’t agree on all the specifics.

Political

1) Which should be a higher priority for the Church?

[ ] To promote a message that emphasizes protecting life and condemning modern societies trend
     towards devaluing it.

[ ] To promote a sense of economic justice and basic equality for people all over the world,
     condemning those who exploit the labor of others.

[X] I prefer an approach that balances the two.

2) View of globalization

[ ] Globalization is an important force for promoting basic rights and economic opportunity for all
     people.

[X] Globalization exploits the weaker and poorer to the benefit of the stronger and wealthier.

3) What is your view on separation of Church and State

[ ] It is the duty of any good Catholic, whether a member of the clergy or a layperson, to make
    sure that the laws of their country uphold at least the most basic moral standards.  The Vatican
    should be vigorously involved in promoting moral standards for governments all over the world

[X] Morality is a matter of individual choice.  The clergy should work to instill high moral
    standards in their parishioners, but the Church should not be involved in controlling the laws of
    world governments.

4) The “West” and the “Rest”

[ ] The West is the home of Christianity and is still the base of the Christian world.  The
     deterioration of Christian devotion in Europe is very worrisome.  How can Christianity
     continue to spread if the area that fostered it is no longer Christian?  We must focus on
     revitalizing Christianity in the West, especially in Europe.

[X] Catholicism is blossoming in many countries that are not traditionally Christian.  While we
     Should not place the majority of attention on Africa and Asia, we should change are thinking
     to a moral global mind set.

[ ] The West must learn to be more responsible with its power, especially the United States.  All
     to often, Third World countries, where many poor Christians live, are exploited by these
    Westerners who have clearly lost their way to greed and materialism.  Maybe we should send      missionaries from the rest of the World to remind the West of what they have become.  Either
    way, the Church’s focus should be on the Developing World.

5)Are other faiths "valid"?

[ ] No.  Catholicism is the only valid faith.  Salvation can only be found
    through the sacraments.

[X] Validation comes through belief in Christ.  All Christian faiths are valid.

[ ] Christianity, Islam and Judaism are valid, as they all believe in the one
    God variously called Yahweh, Allah or simply "Lord".

[ ] Any faith that holds true to the spirit of love and brotherhood expressed
    by Jesus Christ is valid.  All good people will know Christ is death, if not in
    life.

Structure

1) Which most closely matches your view?

[ ] Many of the changes made by Vatican II seem to have robbed the Church of much of its moral
    authority.  The striping of power away from the hands of the clergy and into the hands of lay      people has been, on the whole, bad for the theological and structural cohesion of the Church.       It is hard for the Church to say anything without being challenged, and people have only
    become more bold with their challenges.  In the mean time, it hasn’t done much for Church
    attendance, as many people have started to think that if “it isn’t that important, then why
    bother”.  Clergy, bishops and the Pope need to take back the moral authority to tell people how
    it is.  People need discipline and direction in faith.

[X] Vatican II was a good step towards further devolution of the Church.  Faith can’t be a “one-      size-fits-all” matter.  People are different.  Would we rather have more people feel included, or      turn more people away.  Lay organizations such as Parish councils also give people more stake in their parish community and helps them feel more involved in their parish and their own faith.  I don’t want a Church with no authority, just one that isn’t so strictly institutionalized, one that feels less like an organization and more like a faith community.

[12th Doctor]

Alright fellas, this game will happen.  I had two birthdays to go out for this weekend and a test tomorrow, because it got moved back a day, so I won't be able to finish it now.  However, after Monday, I will have literally nothing to do for almost two weeks, so it won't be long.  Thanks again for your patience.


Enjoy the weather.

[Flying Dog]

Alright fellas, this game will happen.  I had two birthdays to go out for this weekend and a test tomorrow, because it got moved back a day, so I won't be able to finish it now.  However, after Monday, I will have literally nothing to do for almost two weeks, so it won't be long.  Thanks again for your patience.


Enjoy the weather.

Thats ok, I know what its like.
Cant wait though.

[12th Doctor]

Alright everyone, I will have all the player profiles up by the close of business tonight.  All the other information should be up by Monday at the latest.  Thanks for your patience everyone.  If you have not been sent your profile yet, then please tell me so, either through PM, here, or AIM.

That being said, I have to appologize to the three people who signed up later than everyone else.  I can include one of you, but I tried to work all three and the math doesn't work.   I figure I woudl need at least 2 more on top of you guys to keep it blanced and give everyone at least a shot.  I found that if I added all three of you, it would massively destabalize the game in favor of one contentent or the other, or it would cause a grid-lock that would be unlikely to break... it also gave too much power to the conservatives by spliting up the liberal factions.

As such, I have decided to keep Jtfdem in the game.  Sorry Akon and MAS... but Jtfdem just seemed more into it.  I'll send you your profile soon, Jtfdem.  Akon, MAS, please sign-up for the next game, as I welcome your participation.

[MAS117]

Sounds good, I don't think I can be very active at this time anyway. I look forward to playing in the future.