Does anyone else feel like Democrats are doing to 'MAGA' what Republicans did to 'socialism'?
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« on: July 05, 2023, 07:49:40 AM »

Republicans call everything socialism now to the point where it's become a meaningless term. They call Biden socialist, they call the FBI socialist they call everything socialist even when it's clearly not and it's just dumb. Even in conservative circles online it's become a running joke how awful of a campaign strategy it is (outside of Florida) and how overused the word is

I feel like Democrats are doing a similar thing with the word 'MAGA' now (they don't bother saying what it actually stands for now lol).
Democratic campaigns are using 'MAGA' as often as DeSantis says "woke". According to them Asa Hutchinson is MAGA, Don Bacon is MAGA, Francis Suarez (who has basically voted democratic since 2015) is MAGA, everything is MAGA.
It's become so overused and has basically destroyed any meaning of the word. By now I think just calling literally everything MAGA is not a very smart strategy and is a sign they don't really know what to do.

I think most of it started in 2020 actually. I remember ads from the Lincoln Project saying Susan Collins is an "extremist" and not like classic old-school Republicans because she voted for Trump's Supreme Court justices (which used to be passed bipartisanly) and she voted for the Trump tax cuts (literally standard Republican policy for a hundred years). Democrats just like calling everything far-right and MAGA now and it's made people not care about that anymore and honestly ripped them of an effective campaign tactic. It's like how SJWs online called basically everyone racist so much a few years back that people just shrug off being called racist or Hitler online nowadays as a part of the internet.
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2023, 08:01:12 AM »
« Edited: July 05, 2023, 08:04:16 AM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

No because we are going thru a Great Recession like we did in 2008 and Rs pass massive tax cuts for the wealthy and entitlement and the war is taking up up all the revenue, the War in Ukraine is just like in Iraq about oil rich people aren't paying 90% of taxes they are paying low taxes compared to what they should

Poor people taxes aren't gonna be raised we pay 1K yr or the bottom 40% the rich pay high property taxes anyways and pay the top 60% so Rs argument that raise taxes is null and void because Rich people taxes will be going up in 25

Who paid for ALITO, Thomas and DeSantis law school Harlen Crow whom can pay 50 a yr to go to school without Pell grants or scholarships no one

Kim Kardashian isn't even going to regular Law school she is going to Concord 10K a yr
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2023, 08:03:43 AM »

Spare me.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2023, 08:25:07 AM »

The term pay for the oil war just like after 911 Rich people taxes were cut and we ran into Bush W deficits and it was Afghanistan and Iraq and now it's Ukraine the rich people taxes need to be raised their money comes from oil, Ds want their Taxes raised but it's Rs that don't, and whom are gonna turn from R to D like in 2008 stock brokers in the Stock Market they vote R but on a Great Recession time they will vote D

They are tired of Rs deficit spending they said it on CNBC you don't get that on Fox business news


OH was leaning red but in 2006/08 it flipped D just like Brown is ahead after Vance won in 22 OH is leaning D
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2023, 09:57:25 AM »

The difference is democrats are using MAGA accurately
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2023, 10:06:28 AM »

Have Democrats elected a self-proclaimed socialist as president, done complete 180s on their opinions of said socialist the moment they clinched the nomination, aligned their party around them and socialist ideology, supported them every step of the way (except a Tweet or two about how a particularly egregious action is “deeply concerning”, and then still not doing anything to stop it), claimed that any attempt to look in to illegal actions by the socialist president is a “witch hunt”, allowed said socialist to become a kingmaker in primaries, claimed to be moderate while voting with them 95% of the time or more, and dismissed any criticism of the president as “(Socialist President) Derangement Syndrome”?

Then no. And whether or not you think Democrats hypothetically would do all of this is nothing but speculation and is not proof of any equivalency.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2023, 01:16:52 PM »

No, the Republican Party has twice nominated a "man" who campaigned with the slogan "MAGA" and will most likely nominate him for a third time in a row.

The Democratic Party has NEVER nominated an actual "socialist" to be president. FDR wasn't a socialist and he hated being called one.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2023, 01:25:02 PM »

Not really? MAGA in my mind is synonymous with "trump", which is the most unpopular, despised name in American politics. 99% of republicans when asked would not be able to provide you with a correct definition of socialism, but I think the overwhelming majority of democrats would generally describe MAGA as shorthand for trump policies, ie family separation, the trump tax scam, election denialism, violence against those who stand between trump's mob trying to steal elections, etc
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2023, 02:29:48 PM »

Have Democrats elected a self-proclaimed socialist as president, done complete 180s on their opinions of said socialist the moment they clinched the nomination, aligned their party around them and socialist ideology, supported them every step of the way (except a Tweet or two about how a particularly egregious action is “deeply concerning”, and then still not doing anything to stop it), claimed that any attempt to look in to illegal actions by the socialist president is a “witch hunt”, allowed said socialist to become a kingmaker in primaries, claimed to be moderate while voting with them 95% of the time or more, and dismissed any criticism of the president as “(Socialist President) Derangement Syndrome”?

Then no. And whether or not you think Democrats hypothetically would do all of this is nothing but speculation and is not proof of any equivalency.

Here is your answer (above) Shaula.
Of course you won't like it, because there is too much truth attached to "your side" and their cultish behavior for trump. But you will need to accept it regardless.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2023, 03:10:16 PM »

Democrats aren’t causing this, you dramatically overestimate how much voters listen to political parties. Voters are recognizing that the GOP has completely and fully embraced Trumpism, and are willing to snuff out American democracy to get their way. They have also noticed that, beyond a couple of marginalized ideologues, Democrats are not socialists.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2023, 03:21:18 PM »

This is the first I'm hearing of it, so I'm going to say probably not.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2023, 03:41:24 PM »

I mean Biden specifically went out of his way to give a speech where he explicitly stated the difference between "normal" Republicans and MAGA Republicans, so no.
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2023, 04:41:42 PM »

I mean Biden specifically went out of his way to give a speech where he explicitly stated the difference between "normal" Republicans and MAGA Republicans, so no.

Basically the same thing Hillary said in September 16 but much more articulate and accurate.
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2023, 05:57:03 PM »

The difference is democrats are using MAGA accurately

Should Republicans have said, "People who would probably be A-okay with implementing actual socialism if they had the political capital to do so but for now will settle for as much as they can reasonably get passed via legislation"?
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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2023, 06:00:25 PM »

The difference is democrats are using MAGA accurately

Should Republicans have said, "People who would probably be A-okay with implementing actual socialism if they had the political capital to do so but for now will settle for as much as they can reasonably get passed via legislation"?

Show me a democrat in leadership or the White House that’d do that
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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2023, 06:49:27 PM »

I mean Biden specifically went out of his way to give a speech where he explicitly stated the difference between "normal" Republicans and MAGA Republicans, so no.

Well look at Chuck Schumer. The guy literally refers to any republican as MAGA. He calls the supreme count, the "Maga Supreme Court" even when a ruling is 9-0.
I do agree with the OP, that the Dems really do love using the term now, and take any chance they can to use it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2023, 06:50:25 PM »

Democrats aren’t causing this, you dramatically overestimate how much voters listen to political parties. Voters are recognizing that the GOP has completely and fully embraced Trumpism, and are willing to snuff out American democracy to get their way. They have also noticed that, beyond a couple of marginalized ideologues, Democrats are not socialists.

Chuck Schumer the sensate majority leader used the term "MAGA" more than probably any current republican.
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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2023, 08:52:40 PM »

The difference is democrats are using MAGA accurately

Should Republicans have said, "People who would probably be A-okay with implementing actual socialism if they had the political capital to do so but for now will settle for as much as they can reasonably get passed via legislation"?

Show me a democrat in leadership or the White House that’d do that

Pretty much as soon as public opinion “catches up,” every left-leaning party tries to enact as much change as possible - including Democrats.  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”  And that will prove my point.  The vast majority are at the very least incredibly sympathetic to making our currently significantly more socialist than it currently is, and I have to laugh that a left-leaning party would take that win with a chill “We did it!” and rest easy.
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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2023, 09:15:51 PM »

...  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”
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I would like to hear what are YOUR top three things that would be "really horrible" for the US, if we actually structured ourselves more like a "Nordic country."
And if you are going to disclose those top three things, also give us your thought on the top three things that YOU would be willing to admit that might/would be better.
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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2023, 09:17:36 PM »

...  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”
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I would like to hear what are YOUR top three things that would be "really horrible" for the US, if we actually structured ourselves more like a "Nordic country."
For one, Nordic countries treat Muslims and people with my skin color like second class citizens.
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2023, 09:28:40 PM »

...  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”
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I would like to hear what are YOUR top three things that would be "really horrible" for the US, if we actually structured ourselves more like a "Nordic country."
For one, Nordic countries treat Muslims and people with my skin color like second class citizens.

Yeah, they are all very ethnically homogenous and also just small. Sweden is the most populous and it's less populous than Ohio.
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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2023, 09:31:57 PM »

The way Democrats use the term Fascism is the better comparison
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2023, 09:39:16 PM »

...  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”
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I would like to hear what are YOUR top three things that would be "really horrible" for the US, if we actually structured ourselves more like a "Nordic country."

For one, Nordic countries treat Muslims and people with my skin color like second class citizens.

Oh yes.
We never do that here in the US. Most especially from MAGA Republicans.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2023, 09:40:50 PM »

The way Democrats use the term Fascism is the better comparison

Oh stop it OSR.
That's just mainly us here in Atlas.
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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2023, 09:46:42 PM »

...  I’ll maintain people are gullible if they don’t think most leaders on the left in America would prefer our economy was structured more like a Nordic country than what it currently is … and I’m sure I’ll be met with, “And what’s wrong with that?!”
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I would like to hear what are YOUR top three things that would be "really horrible" for the US, if we actually structured ourselves more like a "Nordic country."

For one, Nordic countries treat Muslims and people with my skin color like second class citizens.

Oh yes.
We never do that here in the US. Most especially from MAGA Republicans.

He's not saying racism is nonexistent in the US but on the whole, it is a far more tolerant country than most others. Someone who became a citizen yesterday is considered just as American as someone whose ancestors came here on the Mayflower.

If you are, say a non-Norwegian person who lives in Norway, you'll never really be seen as a true Norwegian.
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