NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

[mjba257]

Re: the friendly juror. First of all I really doubt s/he is doing that to **** with the defense. But a friendly juror doesn't mean it's going to hang. Maybe this person starts out with not guilty or I don't know but it doesn't mean they'll be stubborn about it when confronted. Of course s/he might also convince others to come to their side.

Or maybe they're making eye contact to be polite and think he's guilty lol.

I've just been thinking about this question generally, but what if he's actually convicted here? I don't  think anyone's really appreciated that question to the full extent.

It's uncharted territory. But I lean towards a ton of media coverage and outrage on social media, his polls go down 5 points for a few weeks and then bounce back like it didn't happen. I hope it has some lasting effect though, if it happens.

Question is, who is the "friendly juror"? I saw someone tweet (don't have the link but would be appreciated) that one juror looked visibly uninterested and bored during the prosecution's closing. Could it be the same person?

Possibly- but you never know with these things. It's just as possible that the person looked bored b/c they already knew how they were going to decide and just wanted to get it over with. I think Trump team trying to really make something out of nothing just kind of shows how desperate they really are here

Update: I was unaware of this, but apparently one of the jurors said he (or she) gets their news from Truth Social. This came out during voir dire. First off, I'm amazed the prosecution let this guy on the panel, and second, I'd bet good money that is the "friendly juror" we keep hearing about. Possibly the same one who looked bored during closing arguments, though possible it could've been someone who was just tired and wanted to go home.

[wbrocks67]

Key point - it will come down the corroborating evidence, which there is quite a bit of

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1795832902929850566

[brucejoel99]

Re: the friendly juror. First of all I really doubt s/he is doing that to **** with the defense. But a friendly juror doesn't mean it's going to hang. Maybe this person starts out with not guilty or I don't know but it doesn't mean they'll be stubborn about it when confronted. Of course s/he might also convince others to come to their side.

Or maybe they're making eye contact to be polite and think he's guilty lol.

I've just been thinking about this question generally, but what if he's actually convicted here? I don't  think anyone's really appreciated that question to the full extent.

It's uncharted territory. But I lean towards a ton of media coverage and outrage on social media, his polls go down 5 points for a few weeks and then bounce back like it didn't happen. I hope it has some lasting effect though, if it happens.

Question is, who is the "friendly juror"? I saw someone tweet (don't have the link but would be appreciated) that one juror looked visibly uninterested and bored during the prosecution's closing. Could it be the same person?

Possibly- but you never know with these things. It's just as possible that the person looked bored b/c they already knew how they were going to decide and just wanted to get it over with. I think Trump team trying to really make something out of nothing just kind of shows how desperate they really are here

Update: I was unaware of this, but apparently one of the jurors said he (or she) gets their news from Truth Social. This came out during voir dire. First off, I'm amazed the prosecution let this guy on the panel, and second, I'd bet good money that is the "friendly juror" we keep hearing about. Possibly the same one who looked bored during closing arguments, though possible it could've been someone who was just tired and wanted to go home.

Bad game of telephone, that one juror's news doesn't come from Truth Social, Juror 2 isn't even on Truth Social, they said "I read basically everything. I follow Truth Social posts from Trump on Twitter. I do follow Michael Cohen, Mueller She Wrote, and some more." Juror 1 watches Fox News in addition to MSNBC & reads both the NYT & DailyMail. No big deal

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Merchan specifies New York State law 17-152 as the election law jurors can consider.

[brucejoel99]

Instructions are finished, jury's about to receive the case for deliberations

[Gass3268]

Most hold out jurors are not Henry Fonda, most will break under peer pressure in the jury room, especially when most of them just want it to be done.

[emailking]

After the instructions Trump was seen shaking his head and said I can't believe this is happening.

[brucejoel99]

Instructions are finished, jury's about to receive the case for deliberations

The jury has been sent to begin deliberating & Merchan will soon dismiss the alternates

[Hindsight was 2020]

Most hold out jurors are not Henry Fonda, most will break under peer pressure in the jury room, especially when most of them just want it to be done.

It’s not even an issue if “pressure” as the judge just instructed the jury they have to weigh on the paper trial evidence left so any hold outs are going to have a difficult time dismissing that stuff

[emailking]

Key point - it will come down the corroborating evidence, which there is quite a bit of

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1795832902929850566

Yeah from the instructions it basically sounds like they need to find evidence that corroborates him and then they can believe him and use his testimony to (maybe) convict.

I actually didn't know this and was surprised by it. I thought you could use any witness testimony as evidence if you found them credible, but I guess it's different if they admit they were part of the crime.

[emailking]

In jury instructions, the jury can use an election interference violation as the secondary crime trump was trying to cover, but they're also allowed to use tax fraud, which seems like an easier lift since they grossed up Cohen's payments for taxes. Also they don't have to agree on which crime he was trying to cover if they all agree he was trying to cover some crime.

[DC732]

Trump team increasingly sees acquittal as unlikely, sees their only path through hung jury.

They seem to think 1 juror may be on their side. Hard to tell if it's just desperate spin at this point though

https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1795563214308082144

Having your ”face light up” at the sight of JD Vance is not something a normal person does. Also “reacting favorably” to seeing Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, a first term Congresswoman literally no one knows? IF this reporting is accurate, it’s going to be a hung jury.

[wbrocks67]

In jury instructions, the jury can use an election interference violation as the secondary crime trump was trying to cover, but they're also allowed to use tax fraud, which seems like an easier lift since they grossed up Cohen's payments for taxes. Also they don't have to agree on which crime he was trying to cover if they all agree he was trying to cover some crime.

all of these things seem very bad for Trump

[wbrocks67]

Trump team increasingly sees acquittal as unlikely, sees their only path through hung jury.

They seem to think 1 juror may be on their side. Hard to tell if it's just desperate spin at this point though

https://twitter.com/MarcACaputo/status/1795563214308082144

Having your ”face light up” at the sight of JD Vance is not something a normal person does. Also “reacting favorably” to see Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, a first term Congresswoman literally no one knows? IF this reporting is accurate, it’s going to be a hung jury.

Possibly, if that's the truth. But it also could just be spin, given it's coming from a Trump ally who may see what they want to see.

[mjba257]

Most hold out jurors are not Henry Fonda, most will break under peer pressure in the jury room, especially when most of them just want it to be done.

It’s not even an issue if “pressure” as the judge just instructed the jury they have to weigh on the paper trial evidence left so any hold outs are going to have a difficult time dismissing that stuff

If it's a case of jury nullification, it doesn't matter what the judge's instructions were. A MAGA holdout is not going to convict regardless of the facts and evidence, or whatever "peer pressure" there is. They will hang the jury.

[emailking]

Trump just said the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe. lol

[wbrocks67]

Trump just said the judge is so conflicted he can't breathe. lol

yeah Trump seems to be spinning out more than usual today

[emailking]

If it's a case of jury nullification, it doesn't matter what the judge's instructions were. A MAGA holdout is not going to convict regardless of the facts and evidence, or whatever "peer pressure" there is. They will hang the jury.

Yes if somebody's determined to hang the jury then the jury will probably hang. But we don't know that somebody is determined to hang the jury and liking far right Republicans doesn't mean this person will refuse to deliberate in good faith.

[wbrocks67]

Lmao what even?? It's really too bad the jury can't see how Trump reacts outside of the courtroom. In situations like these, they deserve to see how and what he's saying in the context of this trial.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1795843818061000716

[dspNY]

The NYT reported that the first thing the jurors asked for was the paralegal’s computer with all the evidence on it. They specifically wanted the checks trump signed

[wbrocks67]

The NYT reported that the first thing the jurors asked for was the paralegal’s computer with all the evidence on it. They specifically wanted the checks trump signed

Jurors four and six, a man and a woman, are gathered around a laptop with a paralegal for the prosecution. Todd Blanche stands behind the computer looking on. Everyone nods. The male juror prepares to take the computer and the paralegal seems hesitant. “He can take it,” the judge says. He does and the two jurors leave the room.

All the trial exhibits are on that laptop, which could help speed up the deliberations: the jurors will not have to request specific documentary evidence they wish to review. Nor will they have to view it in the courtroom, which always takes awhile.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Lowkey amused by the CNN countup timer on the jury deliberation.  You don't see too many countups lol.  

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All the trial exhibits are on that laptop, which could help speed up the deliberations: the jurors will not have to request specific documentary evidence they wish to review. Nor will they have to view it in the courtroom, which always takes awhile.

Gotta assume one of the lawyers on the jury suggested that move.

[emailking]

Just subscribed to sling so I can keep msnbc up muted on laptop while watching movies if a late verdict comes in after hours.

[King Brandon I]

Just subscribed to sling so I can keep msnbc up muted on laptop while watching movies if a late verdict comes in after hours.

I’ve just been bingewatching modern family while having CNN in the background muted.