NY: Trump on Trial!

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

So from the looks of it, just about everyone in the GOP is pissed about this indictment/indication. Biden really hit the jackpot here: Trump's chances are boosted for the nomination, therefore so are Biden's chances of getting reelected.

My, my, what a gift. I should binge on some more whiskey.

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The guy was given important speaking slots at the DNC more than once, he was elected to governor by massive margins even by NY standards, his Covid-press conferences got aired by major national networks in 2020, people speculated that he might be a VP choice for a Dem candidate

He was a Dem golden boy until Liticia James' harassment probe

The only "golden boy" for Democrats during the 2010s was President Barack Obama.

Cuomo was given national press conferences during COVID because New York State was a major epicenter for COVID and NYC is the most populated city in the country.

He spoke at DNCs in the past to due his role as Governor of NY (the second most populated Democratic state) and previously from his time as HUD Secretary under Bill Clinton.

[Ferguson97]

You're niave if you believe the bolded.

Even Democrat Andrew Cuomo said: "It’s a coincidence that Bragg goes after Trump and Tish James goes after Trump and Georgia goes after Trump? That’s all a coincidence? I think it feeds the cynicism and that’s the cancer in our body politic right now."

As if anyone cares about the opinion of Andrew Cuomo.

Yeah, it's not like he was a golden boy in the Democrat's party for 10 years or so

He never was. You are just making shiite up.

The guy was given important speaking slots at the DNC more than once, he was elected to governor by massive margins even by NY standards, his Covid-press conferences got aired by major national networks in 2020, people speculated that he might be a VP choice for a Dem candidate

He was a Dem golden boy until Liticia James' harassment probe

I don't even know what you think you're arguing.

"You guys all liked Andrew Cuomo until he turned out to be a sex pest!"

Okay? That's a great reason to stop liking someone!

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Of course this is this guy's take:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1641878846654824449?s=19

[FloridaMan1845]

What is gonna happen D's on here that rep CA, IL, NY and NJ are gonna be so anxious to get the Filibuster proof Trifecta it's still 20 mnths away and we are gonna get it

oH, AZ, MT, FL, MO and Tx, NC

Y’all aren’t getting a filibuster-proof trifecta. Heck, for all we know, the Democrats might not control the Senate for decades after 2024.

[emailking]

CNN is still the only outlet reporting 30+ charges. I think we should treat this cautiously.

This in not what I am seeing.

NBC ... "Trump faces about 30 counts in New York grand jury indictment"
NYT ... "Mr. Trump faces more than two dozen counts, according to two people familiar with the matter."

But there are many outlets that are careful reporting the number of charges. This is true.

When I posted that it was true. I think we can consider it good now.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Trump's best approval ratings came during his first impeachment. This could martyrize him and even give him a huge boost if he gets off. Still, the GOP primary is safe Trump now. Fine by me as DeSantis is far more terrifying.

I thought he already got off?  With Stormy Daniels?

I'll show myself out.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

Or maybe he, I don't know, broke the law?

And what do you mean "Democrats" are charging him?  Last I checked it was the Manhattan DA.

Stop being so lazy.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

Much as this is hard for Republicans to grasp, the Justice Department is not at the beck and call of the President, and the Attorney-General is not the President's personal lawyer.

Not even the Justice Department in this case; it's the Manhattan DA.

[South Dakota Democrat]

Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

Much as this is hard for Republicans to grasp, the Justice Department is not at the beck and call of the President, and the Attorney-General is not the President's personal lawyer.

The Manhatten  DA is an elected democrat though and he certainly wants to see the democrats run against Trump .

So it's a Democrat vs. "Democrats."  Got it. 

You know, you really aren't a good poster. 

[Spectator]

Democrats want to run against Trump . Republican voters : You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

Why is this a "witch hunt"?

Democrats are charging him over something like this so he can look like a poltical martyr to republicans as they want to run against Trump in 2024.

Much as this is hard for Republicans to grasp, the Justice Department is not at the beck and call of the President, and the Attorney-General is not the President's personal lawyer.

The Manhatten  DA is an elected democrat though and he certainly wants to see the democrats run against Trump .

So it's a Democrat vs. "Democrats."  Got it. 

You know, you really aren't a good poster. 

Sometimes I wonder if he’s a staffer for the NRSC or NRCC. Almost every political take is the worst possible, and it’s what leads to the establishment’s chosen candidates getting displaced by the likes of Trump, Mastriano, Lake, etc.

[DaleCooper]

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

YES!!!

God, I can't stand it when people complain about how bad American politics is but then they get all misty-eyed whenever a politician might get held accountable. I would love it if every corrupt politician got indicted.

So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

Sure, why not? I don't think that's comparable, but generally speaking yes, I think there should be a lot of oversight on how politicians conduct their campaigns.

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*Republican babble*

Look, calling Andrew Cuomo the Democrats' "golden boy" during the 2010s is like calling Rick Scott the Republicans' "golden boy" during the 2010s lol.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I don't understand how anyone can have a good-faith position on this until we know what the charges are.

If all the charges are tied up in classifying a hush money payment as a campaign finance violation, I would agree this is extremely murky and probably should not be prosecuted.

But hasn't there been a lot of speculation that Bragg has evidence and witnesses that have not been made public?  
For all we know, Trump could have been indicted for armed robbery and animal abuse.

[GeorgiaModerate]

The fact that Andrew Cuomo was once popular in the Democratic Party does not mean that Democarts believe he is automatically correct in everything he says (either in the past or now), nor does it mean that Democrats should agree with him about this case, nor does it mean that Democrats are somehow owned if they happen to disagree with him.

Redban's take on this is one of the weirdest misfires I've seen on the forum lately.

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

The fact that Andrew Cuomo was once popular in the Democratic Party does not mean that Democarts believe he is automatically correct in everything he says...

Redban's take on this is one of the weirdest misfires I've seen on the forum lately.

The reason why Redban thinks this is that the only relation between voters and politicians imaginable to Trump supporters is the same slavish and unconditional devotion that Republicans feel towards Trump. Redban simply can't imagine that anything else besides cult membership could be possible, so surely Democrats must mindlessly support Andrew Cuomo in everything that he ever did or said.

It's all projection.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Actually Cuomo and Biden were students of Bill Clinton Roger Marinis told Bill Clinton  to nix the Filibuster in 1994 prior to Gingrich Revolution to unblock Hillarycare now Obamacare and he like Biden were for the Filibuster and Cuomo was HUD SECRETARY under Clinton and Cuomo's defended Clinton under Lewinsky

Why do you think Jerry Brown got into the primary against Bill Clinton instead of Mario Cuomo because Cuomo promised not to run against CLINTON, that's what I gave to say about Biden and Cuomo and Biden had Tara Reade and pushed Clarence Thomas to floor of Sen with Anita Hill eventhough he was chairman of Judicial Committee but Biden is our Prez now and we can change our nominee in 28 and it doesn't have to be Harris it can be RFK Jr whom is thinking of running

It's called Populist Farm Labor like the Dixiecrats were not Progressive but Populist, which means moderate to Conserv on Civil Rights or Conserv Judge like Clarence Thomas but against Reagan Tax cuts

Robert C Byrd said he was Populist not Progressive and supports Clarence Thomas judge

That's why Cuomo is taking this approach but Trump has other Indictment coming

Some users confuse the two John Edwards said populist means tax hikes only on the rich not everyone in 2004

Cuomo is a Populist a moderate D not a Progressive the way he Governed in NY Governor , WC, populist or Pragmatic means the same not Secularist or Progressive which means socialism

[Crumpets]

Since we probably won't get much new info on this story for the next couple days, anybody want to try their luck with predictions? What will some of the 34 charges be? Will Trump smile in his mugshot or go Blue Steel? What will be his first Truth Social post after surrendering?

[SteveRogers]

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

You don’t think campaign finance laws should ever be applied to… candidates for office? That’s kind of the WHOLE POINT of campaign finance laws.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Video:  Bill Barr offers his detailed analysis of the rumored charges (01:26 - 04:25 has the good stuff)

He talks about how the “intent to defraud” language makes the falsify business records charge hard to apply to Trump because he didn’t take anything of value from someone else. And he talks about the felony charge: that it was a private expense that would have been made outside of the election. Give the video a listen for knowledge

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323736903112

Isn't it great to make money talking about things you have no idea about?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Video:  Bill Barr offers his detailed analysis of the rumored charges (01:26 - 04:25 has the good stuff)

He talks about how the “intent to defraud” language makes the falsify business records charge hard to apply to Trump because he didn’t take anything of value from someone else. And he talks about the felony charge: that it was a private expense that would have been made outside of the election. Give the video a listen for knowledge

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6323736903112

Thanks for the link. It's an interesting data point.

[Meclazine for Israel]

The Phoenix will rise from the Ashes (after being fingerprinted, photographed and held in a holding cell).

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1641929373816086528

[Progressive Pessimist]

Since we probably won't get much new info on this story for the next couple days, anybody want to try their luck with predictions? What will some of the 34 charges be? Will Trump smile in his mugshot or go Blue Steel? What will be his first Truth Social post after surrendering?

Blue steel. That's probably the only thing I am confident in predicting.

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The fact that Andrew Cuomo was once popular in the Democratic Party does not mean that Democarts believe he is automatically correct in everything he says (either in the past or now), nor does it mean that Democrats should agree with him about this case, nor does it mean that Democrats are somehow owned if they happen to disagree with him.

Redban's take on this is one of the weirdest misfires I've seen on the forum lately.

I prefer the term Mario Karts.

*Mario voice* Yahoo!