NY: Trump on Trial!

[Redban]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

[DaleCooper]

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

YES!!!

God, I can't stand it when people complain about how bad American politics is but then they get all misty-eyed whenever a politician might get held accountable. I would love it if every corrupt politician got indicted.

[OSR stands with Israel]

First of all , neither of my parents voted for Trump and second of all how the heck couldn’t you see I was using Trump supporter language to try to convince them to not vote for Trump in the primary .

I'd like to apologize for the unreasonableness from many fellow red avatars. The inability to see things from a blue avatar perspective is too common in us, taken as a whole.

*Makes wanking gesture*

If you don't see the value in talking to the other side using their own talking point style to get an outcome you want, you don't have the guts to defend our political order. Sorry, not sorry.

Feeding their delusions of persecution is not building bridges with people who will come around on America when its put in terms they can understand. "You're correct that this is a massive conspiracy by your enemies" is not defusing the situation and defending our political order.

We don't want the lunatics lured back into the attic and kept in a lie-fueled rage. Republicans are sick, twisted people for putting their coalition's need for this poison above America's wellbeing.

The people whose talking style is objective lies need to confront realities - legal and numerical. If they can't accept criminals going to jail or their ideas being outnumbered, they need psychological help. If they turn to violence, they are criminals. Suggesting OSR has guts for lying to get what he wants - the same lies destroying our country - is ludicrous.

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

YES!!!

God, I can't stand it when people complain about how bad American politics is but then they get all misty-eyed whenever a politician might get held accountable. I would love it if every corrupt politician got indicted.

So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

[Ferguson97]

Well I’m talking about the people who still voted for Republicans downballot and not the ones who are straight D now . 2020 downballot results and 2022 Georgia shows their are many voters who are willing to vote Republican if it’s not Trump or someone who beat other republicans in the primary with his endorsement.

Not even these people like George Bush anymore lmao

[wbrocks67]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

[GP270watch]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

 
 What is the DOJ waiting for then?

[Landslide Lyndon]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

If anything they should thank Bragg for taking all the heat from them. Next time Trump will get indicted there won't be the same feeding frenzy as now because the novelty of the "first time this happens to an ex-president" will be gone.

[wbrocks67]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

 
 What is the DOJ waiting for then?

Building their case maybe? I would assume they want to make sure all of their checks and balances are correct before they go ahead with it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

Sorry you find anti-corruption laws an unreasonable, burdensome regulation. Our politicians are not a nobility and our politics should not be for sale.

I don't want America to emulate a country where people like you feed lies to dangerous fanatics to rally them behind a preferred candidate. Damn shame.

Look at India , where politicians get charged all the time for “Corruption charges”.  The result of that has not been good and has undermined people faith in the judicial system .

Is that the judicial system we want to emulate because I certainly do not .

Or heck look at Israel where politicians are constantly afraid of the judicial system , and arguably more so than they are afraid of the voters . That’s not the system we want to emulate

[emailking]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

The story wouldn't surprise me if true. But it's not their call. Maybe they shouldn't have avoided taking a hard look at Trump's actions on/around J6 for a year, and then they could have gone first here.

[Tekken_Guy]

Top minds of Atlas

This story died off quick as can be. 

Might’ve been a fundraising ploy. Doesn’t seem this is happening.

Just as I suspect. Trump will never be arrested. He’ll never be charged. It’s been fantasy talk since 2016

The grand jury keeps getting more an more incompetent, yet an indictment is supposed to "hurt" him.

Don't get your hopes up for next week either.

If I had to bet money, I don't think Trump will be indicted. I'll believe it when I see it. Its been 8 years of investigations.

I was wrong, I'm surprised Bragg decided to end Dems' 2024 hopes by indicting Trump for paying off a porn star.

What states that you had Biden winning do you now think Trump wins?

Not just Trump. Any republicans will now win WI/AZ/PA.

How about Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia?

Michigan - Harder. 2016 was lighting striking. It can strike twice but VBM laws make it tough. A populist can win but it’s hard.
Nevada - I’ve been fooled by this one too many times, and I think non-Cuban hispanics trend left with a Dem incumbent.
Georgia - If republicans win this they have over 300 EVs already. It’s a nonfactor.

Why do you think Arizona flips now? Kari Lake couldn’t win it, so why can Trump? Where will he make those gains?

She wins with presidential turnout. Would’ve won in 2022 if not for Blake Masters dragging down the ballot.

Just a week ago in the 2024 margins thread you said Biden will win Arizona by 2, which is more than you had him up by in Michigan and Nevada. Why would he suddenly now lose Arizona and yet MI and NV don’t flip either?

[OSR stands with Israel]

So you want a candidate investigated every time a PAC of theirs puts out an effective ad to see if they had any direct coordination in it . Is this the precedent we want set because that’s not one I want set.

 I also prefer the politics of America over any other nation on earth so no I don’t want us to emulate other nations .

Sorry you find anti-corruption laws an unreasonable, burdensome regulation. Our politicians are not a nobility and our politics should not be for sale.

I don't want America to emulate a country where people like you feed lies to dangerous fanatics to rally them behind a preferred candidate. Damn shame.

Look at India , where politicians get charged all the time for “Corruption charges”.  The result of that has not been good and has undermined people faith in the judicial system .

Is that the judicial system we want to emulate because I certainly do not S

 

You are undermining faith in the judicial system spreading lies about it.

You need to vote for DeSantis to ensure democrats don’t get what they want from this witch-hunt

You are lying that this is a witch hunt because you want Trumpists to support DeSantis. You are aware those lies have caused people to attack American democracy and to threaten violence against law enforcement, politicians, and civilians. You are aware and are repeating them anyway because the delusional people have something you want.

That is sick. It's evil. And it means your preferences have negative value to me.

People call investigations witch hunts all the time . Democrats attacked Comey in 2016: https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-fbi-james-comey-230491?_amp=true

Also it’s better for the nation for Trump not to get the nomination and the job of his opponents is to try to do their best to convince his voters not to vote for him .

[Pheurton Skeurto]

OSR rushing to Trump's defense after pretending to not like him? What a shock.

[OSR stands with Israel]

OSR rushing to Trump's defense after pretending to not like him? What a shock.

I support his prosecution for January 6th and will not defend him from those charges . I am so certain that I won’t that I’ll make a deal with a mod on here which is if I do then you can mute me from this board for 72 hours .

[ProudModerate2]

I don’t think charging candidates for campaign finance violations is a good precedent to have given how much Grey areas candidates already fall into when it comes to campaign finance . Do we want a to start a trend where pretty much every candidate starts to get indicated over this as that’s not something I want started at all .

The responsible thing to do is not charge Trump

We don't know the full extent of the, over 30 charges yet.
It more than likely going to extend to other "business fraud" charges, and not just dealing with "campaign finance violations," as you are so concerned.
So we need to wait and see.

[Spectator]

OSR rushing to Trump's defense after pretending to not like him? What a shock.

I support his prosecution for January 6th and will not defend him from those charges . I am so certain that I won’t that I’ll make a deal with a mod on here which is if I do then you can mute me from this board for 72 hours .

What a bold deal. You get muted from a relatively anonymous board for 3 whole days!!?

[GeneralMacArthur]

There is literally nothing Trump could have done for OSR to not call his subsequent indictment a witch hunt.

The official position of the Republican Party, which OSR repeats like the GOP NPC he is, is that Republican presidents should be able to commit whatever crimes they want and never be prosecuted for them.

Thus Trump could literally do anything, and the Republican Party / OSR position would be "he should not be indicted for it because [litany of transparently malarkey reasons]".  It's very obvious and predictable.  There's no point in his posting it, or anyone else replying to it.  We all know how the conversation will go.

The most you'll ever get out of a Republican is a hypothetical notion that "well, if Trump were to cross some line, then I think his indictment would maybe be ok, but I'd have to see about it when that actually happens."  For instance, if Trump were to murder a bunch of orphans, then his indictment would probably be ok.  Republicans are sometimes willing to grant that concession.

However, we know that this is just a lie.  Because there have been about a dozen different instances where Republicans have pretended to draw a line in the sand, Trump has crossed that line, and then Republicans just pretended it never happened and leaned on Fox News to give them new talking points to rationalize their "position."  The most obvious being when Trump attacked the United States Capitol to try and stop the ascension of Joe Biden to the presidency.

My point is, just don't waste your breath talking to Republicans.  We all know what their position is.  We all know what they're going to say.  We all know how the conversation will go.  We've repeated this little dance over and over again over the past eight years.  They have all sacrificed their personalities to the empire of Fox News and conservative talk radio, and by hook or by crook, they will find a way to get their core beliefs in alignment with whatever the talking points of the day happen to be.  They are nothing more than NPCs at this point, stop treating them like people you can have a real conversation with.  You can try and argue about the seriousness of these charges, or the precedent this sets, or Bragg's political motivation, or whatever.  But you're basically just selecting options from a menu to get a pre-rendered response string saved in some Fox News database.  It's not a real conversation.

[ProudModerate2]

Judge signs off on DA request to publicly disclose Trump indictment that was returned, records show.

The judge overseeing the case against former President Donald Trump signed off on an order Thursday which granted Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's request to publicly disclose an indictment — currently under seal — that was returned by a grand jury earlier in the day against former President Donald Trump.

Live Updates per CNN.

[Ferguson97]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

Yeah I don't know why so many people, including a lot on the left, are saying stuff like "Democrats are fools for doing the NY charges first"... what does that even mean? The DOJ, Georgia, and NY aren't coordinating stuff lol, the investigations have nothing to do with each other.

[OSR stands with Israel]

There is literally nothing Trump could have done for OSR to not call his subsequent indictment a witch hunt.

The official position of the Republican Party, which OSR repeats like the GOP NPC he is, is that Republican presidents should be able to commit whatever crimes they want and never be prosecuted for them.

Thus Trump could literally do anything, and the Republican Party / OSR position would be "he should not be indicted for it because [litany of transparently malarkey reasons]".  It's very obvious and predictable.  There's no point in his posting it, or anyone else replying to it.  We all know how the conversation will go.

The most you'll ever get out of a Republican is a hypothetical notion that "well, if Trump were to cross some line, then I think his indictment would maybe be ok, but I'd have to see about it when that actually happens."  For instance, if Trump were to murder a bunch of orphans, then his indictment would probably be ok.  Republicans are sometimes willing to grant that concession.

However, we know that this is just a lie.  Because there have been about a dozen different instances where Republicans have pretended to draw a line in the sand, Trump has crossed that line, and then Republicans just pretended it never happened and leaned on Fox News to give them new talking points to rationalize their "position."  The most obvious being when Trump attacked the United States Capitol to try and stop the ascension of Joe Biden to the presidency.

My point is, just don't waste your breath talking to Republicans.  We all know what their position is.  We all know what they're going to say.  We all know how the conversation will go.  We've repeated this little dance over and over again over the past eight years.  They have all sacrificed their personalities to the empire of Fox News and conservative talk radio, and by hook or by crook, they will find a way to get their core beliefs in alignment with whatever the talking points of the day happen to be.  They are nothing more than NPCs at this point, stop treating them like people you can have a real conversation with.  You can try and argue about the seriousness of these charges, or the precedent this sets, or Bragg's political motivation, or whatever.  But you're basically just selecting options from a menu to get a pre-rendered response string saved in some Fox News database.  It's not a real conversation.

I was literally using the language of Trump supporters to get them not to support Trump but you guys have no ability to read it seems like .

You guys care more about some dumb buzzword I used then the content of my post which was “don’t vote for Trump”


You also know that I supported Trump impeachment for Jan 6th , support his prosecution for it so please stop lying about my views

[soundchaser]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

Yeah I don't know why so many people, including a lot on the left, are saying stuff like "Democrats are fools for doing the NY charges first"... what does that even mean? The DOJ, Georgia, and NY aren't coordinating stuff lol, the investigations have nothing to do with each other.

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You're niave if you believe the bolded.

Even Democrat Andrew Cuomo said: "It’s a coincidence that Bragg goes after Trump and Tish James goes after Trump and Georgia goes after Trump? That’s all a coincidence? I think it feeds the cynicism and that’s the cancer in our body politic right now."

The opposite of "coincidence" is not "conspiracy."

[GeorgiaModerate]

DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

Yeah I don't know why so many people, including a lot on the left, are saying stuff like "Democrats are fools for doing the NY charges first"... what does that even mean? The DOJ, Georgia, and NY aren't coordinating stuff lol, the investigations have nothing to do with each other.

''

You're niave if you believe the bolded.

Even Democrat Andrew Cuomo said: "It’s a coincidence that Bragg goes after Trump and Tish James goes after Trump and Georgia goes after Trump? That’s all a coincidence? I think it feeds the cynicism and that’s the cancer in our body politic right now."

No, it's not a coincidence, but that's simply because Trump is a multijurisdictional criminal.  This argument is as silly as saying it's something coordinated if multiple states prosecute a bank robber who robbed banks in each of them.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

To all these RS that still think they are gonna win next Nov all we have to do is donate and see what happens in WI next week and what happens o KY, MS and LA in Nov 23 Biden is not at 38/61 Approvals all lies, Trump is at in that same poll 34/70 Bush W 2008 number

[emailking]

I don't see any reason to disbelieve someone who supports charges for J6 but not this. They're very different cases.

[Ferguson97]

I don't see any reason to disbelieve someone who supports charges for J6 but not this. They're very different cases.

It's just incredibly stupid to say that Trump should be immune from prosecution for certain crimes but not others.