CPAC speaker calls for genocide of trans people

[OSR stands with Israel]

Well Fuzzy recommended it but seems like Mr R didn’t so I was wrong on that one , but keep in mind Fuzzy has been attacked as being someone who would be for what Knowles is advocating for before .

So those people were clearly wrong about Fuzzy

You are not required to take what everyone says at face value.

Translation: “I can lie about other posters beliefs if I feel like it “

How am I lying? I'm just saying that I don't believe him.

You are lying about his beliefs by saying he’d be a guard at a trans concentration camp . It was a complete lie , just like it turned out you saying he made his granddaughter go back into the closet was a lie .

If you are accusing a poster of being pro genocidal than you better have concrete evidence backing it up or you are a liar .

[Ferguson97]

You are lying about his beliefs by saying he’d be a guard at a trans concentration camp . It was a complete lie , just like it turned out you saying he made his granddaughter go back into the closet was a lie .

If you are accusing a poster of being pro genocidal than you better have concrete evidence backing it up or you are a liar .

Why are you bringing up stuff from more than half a year ago? Please try to stay on-topic.

Also an accusation like that can, by definition, not be a lie, because we cannot know what goes on inside someone's head. If I had made a post, "He said he wants to be a prison guard an at internment camp" then that would be a lie, since I am falsely claiming that he said something very specific.

Again, it is not a "lie" to accuse someone of being dishonest about their beliefs. Distrusting someone is not "lying" about them.

You do not know what the word "lie" means. A personal attack is not a lie.

Are you "lying" when you say Ilhan Omar hates America? No, you're just saying that she's being dishonest about her feelings towards her country.

[OSR stands with Israel]

You are lying about his beliefs by saying he’d be a guard at a trans concentration camp . It was a complete lie , just like it turned out you saying he made his granddaughter go back into the closet was a lie .

If you are accusing a poster of being pro genocidal than you better have concrete evidence backing it up or you are a liar .

Why are you bringing up stuff from more than half a year ago? Please try to stay on-topic.

Also an accusation like that can, by definition, not be a lie, because we cannot know what goes on inside someone's head. If I had made a post, "He said he wants to be a prison guard an at internment camp" then that would be a lie, since I am falsely claiming that he said something very specific.

Again, it is not a "lie" to accuse someone of being dishonest about their beliefs. Distrusting someone is not "lying" about them.

You do not know what the word "lie" means. A personal attack is not a lie.

Are you "lying" when you say Ilhan Omar hates America? No, you're just saying that she's being dishonest about her feelings towards her country.

Omar called our troops in Somalia murderers so yes she hates our nation and then minimized  9/11

[Badger]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

[7,052,770]

Let's not derail the thread into discussing what 2 random message board posters think. The focus should be what this Republican thought leader said at the largest and most influential gathering of conservatives in America.

[Badger]

Another threaf about a trans topic that's at 7 pages because some random dude on the internet made a bigoted remark.

Trying to write off a very prominent conservative commentator speaking to one of the most powerful conservative organizations in the country and getting raucous Applause in response, as merely " some random dude on the internet", is beyond disingenuous.

[Badger]

If you even bothered to listen to what he actually said, he was referring to transgenderism (an ideology), not transgender people. He's clearly not even close to proposing genocide.

But of course like every other red/maroon av on this forum that frequently posts about trans issues, it's much easier to push your existing beliefs than actually listen to what is being said or reason what is actually being proposed from the source itself.

You people keep saying this but it doesn't make any sense. It's like calling homosexuality an ideology.

It's like calling "whiteness" an ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies

Exactly! Just the way that whiteness study advocates for white power and white rights. Oh wait.....

[Badger]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

Ah, so Saudi Arabians and the Taliban would consider it sinful and not bigoted, so my unapologetically prejudiced buddies who will join me in my penultimate goal of getting DeSantis elected president are still A-OK as part of my coalition.

Your argument has now degenerated from ridiculous to downright spineless.

[Torie]

Another threaf about a trans topic that's at 7 pages because some random dude on the internet made a bigoted remark.

Whatever the significance of the guy who makes his living being a shock jock, in front of an audience that was lapping it all up, not so easily marginalized is that anything related to trans has now become the Pub culture war flavor of the season. It may be because gays have just become too mainstream now to have much traction anymore, it may be a sign a desperation, it may be that it is a sign of sinking deeper into King Lear like madness, but whatever it is, it is the now the hot public square cleavage point. You can see how it has consumed this site.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

This is supposed to be a politics forum, but whenever conservatives try to discuss policy regarding LGBTQ they often get moderated or labled as fascists or genociders. How is it possible for atlas conservatives to talk about those issues without being constantly attacked? Criticism regarding the policy is okay (thats how politics works!) but what I'm seeing here is attacks are being applied to the individual posters themselves rather than people simply discussing the issues.

[OSR stands with Israel]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

Ah, so Saudi Arabians and the Taliban would consider it sinful and not bigoted, so my unapologetically prejudiced buddies who will join me in my penultimate goal of getting DeSantis elected president are still A-OK as part of my coalition.

Your argument has now degenerated from ridiculous to downright spineless.

1. You used the worst humans not me so you made this dumb argument. Also the vast majority of Indians , South Koreans , Chinese , Japanese probably would agree what Mr R said wasnt bigoted and they aren’t majority Abrahamic religion countries .

I’m also sure a majority of Americans would think what Mr R said wasnt bigoted either

2. Mr R was considered moderate on these issues 6-7 years ago , yet now he’s considered far right despite the fact that 1. His views haven’t changed since then 2. Public opinion has gotten more conservative on this issue Since then

[Ferguson97]

Omar called our troops in Somalia murderers so yes she hates our nation and then minimized  9/11

So you used her previous statements to make a judgement about how she really feels about a subject... Dude, that's literally what I was doing lmao

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

Ah, so Saudi Arabians and the Taliban would consider it sinful and not bigoted, so my unapologetically prejudiced buddies who will join me in my penultimate goal of getting DeSantis elected president are still A-OK as part of my coalition.

Your argument has now degenerated from ridiculous to downright spineless.

1. You used the worst humans not me so you made this dumb argument. Also the vast majority of Indians , South Koreans , Chinese , Japanese probably would agree what Mr R said wasnt bigoted and they aren’t majority Abrahamic religion countries .

I’m also sure a majority of Americans would think what Mr R said wasnt bigoted either

The countries you listed have almost 3 billion people between them. Throw in all of non-Abrhamaic Southeast Asia and you get over 200 million more people. Throw in Indonesia, Phillipines, Pakistan, and Bangladesh...you have a majority of the world.
So yeah.
That's the global majority, pretty much. A majority of the world is Asian. Who knew?

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Another threaf about a trans topic that's at 7 pages because some random dude on the internet made a bigoted remark and the same handful of posters refuse to back down from a flame war

Fixed that for you

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/PabloReports/status/1632872800854716416

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

If you even bothered to listen to what he actually said, he was referring to transgenderism (an ideology), not transgender people. He's clearly not even close to proposing genocide.

But of course like every other red/maroon av on this forum that frequently posts about trans issues, it's much easier to push your existing beliefs than actually listen to what is being said or reason what is actually being proposed from the source itself.

You people keep saying this but it doesn't make any sense. It's like calling homosexuality an ideology.

It's like calling "whiteness" an ideology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiteness_studies

Exactly! Just the way that whiteness study advocates for white power and white rights. Oh wait.....

Huh?  No, it advocates for ending whiteness.

[T'Chenka]

https://twitter.com/PabloReports/status/1632872800854716416

Absolutely disgusting. Wow. Holy s__t.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Its like they expect us to take their dumb, alarmist claims seriously.


Case in point, from the chronic wolf crier:

I comment on your post because you're still young and could still repent, while the fantastic trio who recommended it are already old, they're beyond saving from the hatred in their hearts.

The above poster once reported a post I made in a fantasy game for "anti-semitism" because I wrote a pretend law that merely stated practitioners of Old Testament ritual purity rules about menstruation were allowed to do so. The same poster threatened to report a different pretend law I wrote in the fantasy game because apparently its bigoted to try and stop monkeypox spread in the month of June. Looks like more wolf crying to me.

I don't even remember if I reported this. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Who cares? You were exploiting Judaism to make your stupid bigoted trolling. And now you're supporting eradicating transgender"ism". Want us to think you're not? Maybe instead of excusing this comment you should condemn it or shut up. But you don't care because you support this. It's absolutely pathetic - you people will keep making excuses even when someone states it very explicitly. Stop hating people for what they are, maybe you can still do it at your age.

[T'Chenka]

The only people ever saying anything about genocide are those who have been falsely claiming people they don't like are calling for it, with no evidence to support it.

I remember a right wing user that I won't name being heavily infracted for calling puberty blockers (and genital surgery on 17 and a half year olds) a mass sterilization and/or genocide comparable to the Tuskegee Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male.

You must have conveniently forgotten about that one.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This is supposed to be a politics forum, but whenever conservatives try to discuss policy regarding LGBTQ they often get moderated or labled as fascists or genociders. How is it possible for atlas conservatives to talk about those issues without being constantly attacked? Criticism regarding the policy is okay (thats how politics works!) but what I'm seeing here is attacks are being applied to the individual posters themselves rather than people simply discussing the issues.

Because treating people decently is not "debating the issues", and wanting to argue about whether or not people should be treated decently is not engaging a policy debate, it's screaming "I'm an abusive bigot, I really mean it!!!" at the top of your lungs and then getting upset that people think you might not be a very nice person.

To me, the general tenor of Republican whines (as Trump promised everyone, the whining never stops) about "why aren't we allowed to debate this" comes across as a repellent and frightening echo of the the 1930s, like members of a certain German party getting upset that people think ill of them when they just want to "debate the Jewish Question".

In the end, it seems quite simple to me. The end goal of Republicans is to be terrible people. No amount of "but we're being reasonable right now, right here" should be allowed to distract from that.

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/PabloReports/status/1632872800854716416

Absolutely disgusting. Wow. Holy s__t.

It's just one senator! Just one random unknown senator from the second largest state in the country refusing to comment about whether transgenderism - 08, they went right out and said transgender people this time. Nothing to see here!

[Badger]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

Ah, so Saudi Arabians and the Taliban would consider it sinful and not bigoted, so my unapologetically prejudiced buddies who will join me in my penultimate goal of getting DeSantis elected president are still A-OK as part of my coalition.

Your argument has now degenerated from ridiculous to downright spineless.

1. You used the worst humans not me so you made this dumb argument. Also the vast majority of Indians , South Koreans , Chinese , Japanese probably would agree what Mr R said wasnt bigoted and they aren’t majority Abrahamic religion countries .

I’m also sure a majority of Americans would think what Mr R said wasnt bigoted either

2. Mr R was considered moderate on these issues 6-7 years ago , yet now he’s considered far right despite the fact that 1. His views haven’t changed since then 2. Public opinion has gotten more conservative on this issue Since then

No you nincompoop. This would have been bigoted six or seven years ago as well, and one would not have to be a far left extremist to believe so, just not an asshole, as this issue has nothing to do with politics, or at least it shouldn't if conservatives could just learn to play nice and get along with people different than them

So possible worldwide disapproval of transgenderism means it's okay to feel that way? Do you really not understand how stupid an argument that is? Interracial marriage was overwhelmingly disapproved of until maybe a couple decades ago, so it must have been okay to oppose it up until then. Jim Crow laws were overwhelmingly supported by Southerners up until the mid-60s soon after the Civil Rights Act banned separate accommodations, so I guess Southerners supporting Jim Crow was fine and dandy unto that point because it was common.

If you had any moral courage in your arguments you would acknowledge that mere popularity or unpopularity of you just not begin to determine whether or not it is right or wrong. Whether you like it or not transgender rights is in fact supported by and large in america, and that doesn't make its opposition here any less bigoted, and your right wing friends make it very clear is rooted on a bigotry. You just don't have the courage to stand up to them because at the end of the day to you it's merely about sticking with your blue Avatar teammates.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No, we should force all the threads I don't like into a megathread because this forum exists to cater to my preferences alone!!!1

Abortion/overturning Roe gets a megathread, COVID gets a megathread, Jan 6th gets a megathread

but somehow LGBT issues that are spammed in USGD just as often aren't worthy of a megathread? lmao

Ok? Quit reading the trans threads if you don't like them. There are lots of threads here that don't interest me, so I don't read them. I don't cry about it and try to get them shut down.

Requesting they be condensed into a megathread =/= shutting it down.

What valid reason is there to have almost 30 threads in a month saying basically the same thing? There is no rational argument to be made that keeping these threads separate accomplishes anything that a megathread cannot.

No one is fooled into thinking the two most vociferously transphobic bigots on the Forum are making this demand in anything resembling good faith. Presumably - hopefully - that includes the mod cave.

The mods infract posts that are in the mainstream of public debate. They should stop doing that then and stop taking the left wing side of this debate

Bigotry is never mainstream, child.

What Mr R posts is not bigoted unless you take a left wing interpretation of the word bigot

I take a human being interpretation of the word bigot. Hopefully someday you will grow to do likewise.

The vast majority of humans would not think what Mr R said was bigoted .

Ah, so Saudi Arabians and the Taliban would consider it sinful and not bigoted, so my unapologetically prejudiced buddies who will join me in my penultimate goal of getting DeSantis elected president are still A-OK as part of my coalition.

Your argument has now degenerated from ridiculous to downright spineless.

1. You used the worst humans not me so you made this dumb argument. Also the vast majority of Indians , South Koreans , Chinese , Japanese probably would agree what Mr R said wasnt bigoted and they aren’t majority Abrahamic religion countries .

I’m also sure a majority of Americans would think what Mr R said wasnt bigoted either

2. Mr R was considered moderate on these issues 6-7 years ago , yet now he’s considered far right despite the fact that 1. His views haven’t changed since then 2. Public opinion has gotten more conservative on this issue Since then

No you nincompoop. This would have been bigoted six or seven years ago as well, and one would not have to be a far left extremist to believe so, just not an asshole, as this issue has nothing to do with politics, or at least it shouldn't if conservatives could just learn to play nice and get along with people different than them

So possible worldwide disapproval of transgenderism means it's okay to feel that way? Do you really not understand how stupid an argument that is? Interracial marriage was overwhelmingly disapproved of until maybe a couple decades ago, so it must have been okay to oppose it up until then. Jim Crow laws were overwhelmingly supported by Southerners up until the mid-60s soon after the Civil Rights Act banned separate accommodations, so I guess Southerners supporting Jim Crow was fine and dandy unto that point because it was common.

If you had any moral courage in your arguments you would acknowledge that mere popularity or unpopularity of you just not begin to determine whether or not it is right or wrong. Whether you like it or not transgender rights is in fact supported by and large in america, and that doesn't make its opposition here any less bigoted, and your right wing friends make it very clear is rooted on a bigotry. You just don't have the courage to stand up to them because at the end of the day to you it's merely about sticking with your blue Avatar teammates.

Just not true to say that transgenderism is supported "by and large" in America. 60% of Americans, up 6% from 2017, say that gender is determined by sex at birth. A plurality, 38%, also say that society's acceptance of transgender people has gone too far. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/americans-complex-views-on-gender-identity-and-transgender-issues/

But I agree with you! Regardless of public polling, our views on the acceptability of this action should be the same (although it can be helpful to realize when you are in a bubble.) And in that regard, there is nothing bigoted about believing that gender is determined by sex at birth and that castrating or halting the development of children is bad, and I have yet to find a convincing argument to the contrary.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The only people ever saying anything about genocide are those who have been falsely claiming people they don't like are calling for it, with no evidence to support it.

I remember a right wing user that I won't name being heavily infracted for calling puberty blockers (and genital surgery on 17 and a half year olds) a mass sterilization and/or genocide comparable to the Tuskegee Study Of Untreated Syphilis In The Negro Male.

You must have conveniently forgotten about that one.

Sounds like I was expressing concern for Trans and gender nonconforming kids rather than calling for their eradication. If I wanted to eradicate them wouldnt I have viewed their mass sterilization favorably rather than with alarm?