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« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2023, 09:53:59 AM »

What do you mean by this "And secondly, the student can make a case for violation of this act by breaching entering the room in less than 10 minutes"?

I agree that the 10-minute rule weakens the enforcement of the rule but I was trying to compromise.

I would rather see the age limit at 15-16 at least in public schools and my concern about health emergencies still stands.

Health emergencies can also happen if someone is in the bathroom. I mean they can always happen. And if a school is from the opinion that there is a risk to the students health (most likely mental health) staff supervision is allowed under how i've written my amendment. Maybe that can be clarified in the act just to be clear that if there's a risk to the students mental health that staff supervision can be required by the schools.

I'm willing to raise the age of what I proposed from 13 to 15 too. (below 15, requirement of staff supervision, above not unless the school is from the opinion that it is necessary for health reasons).



As I said, lunch periods are longer than bathroom breaks and even if a student finishes lunch early typically students are expected to have a place to be and to not roam the halls.

Many bathroom breaks also occur when there are others in the bathroom, e.g., during class changes.
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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2023, 09:54:50 AM »

I have changed my amendment to only apply to public schools.

What is the difference between public and private schools? Why should staff supervision be applied / required in public schools and not private schools?

Parents could agree to lax supervision in a private school in a way that may not be legal for a public school in coordination with its school board's policies.

I have amended my amendment to allow non-supervision as long as students are checked on every 10 minutes.

I don't want a distinction between private and public schools here.

Secondly, allowing non-supervision in 10 minutes is non-practical. How can one proof a violation of this act if what they have to proof whether a student was unsupervised for less than 10 minutes or longer than 10 minutes in particular for public liability.

And secondly, the student can make a case for violation of this act by breaching entering the room in less than 10 minutes.

I'm okay with an age distinction, requiring staff supervision for students in elementary schools and up to and including the age of 12. While adding "allowing supervision" but not requiring it for high schools, and students aged 13 years and older.

I removed the distinction btwn private and public schools and while the 10 minute rule is impractical you were the one who suggested that as a possible (non-mandatory) tool of schools.

I have said that allowing for supervision as opposed to requiring staff supervision, still meant that if a school judges that staff supervision is necessary, that nothing stops them from doing that, incl. checking in once every 10 minutes.

Requiring staff supervision would mean that the latter even isn't possible, because essentially the law requires that there is always someone there, 24 hour on 24 hours (depending on how you interpret the law: loosely or strictly).

I know what you meant originally since I said "as a possible (non-mandatory) tool of schools."

Also, what do you mean by your second paragraph?

Well that one is not sure how one can interpret staff supervision. Staff supervision can mean that one always need to be guarded, even on the toilet, and can never be left unguarded. How is staff supervision interpreted by the law, as in the school is at fault if the student is unguarded even for thirty seconds?

Now you are being hyperbolic.
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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2023, 09:56:29 AM »

The requirement to "check on" students every 10 minutes during individual lunch doesn't nearly seem to require constant supervision, nor in the bathroom, for every minute.

Have you read my recent revisions?
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2023, 09:58:02 AM »

What do you mean by this "And secondly, the student can make a case for violation of this act by breaching entering the room in less than 10 minutes"?

I agree that the 10-minute rule weakens the enforcement of the rule but I was trying to compromise.

I would rather see the age limit at 15-16 at least in public schools and my concern about health emergencies still stands.

Health emergencies can also happen if someone is in the bathroom. I mean they can always happen. And if a school is from the opinion that there is a risk to the students health (most likely mental health) staff supervision is allowed under how i've written my amendment. Maybe that can be clarified in the act just to be clear that if there's a risk to the students mental health that staff supervision can be required by the schools.

I'm willing to raise the age of what I proposed from 13 to 15 too. (below 15, requirement of staff supervision, above not unless the school is from the opinion that it is necessary for health reasons).



As I said, lunch periods are longer than bathroom breaks and even if a student finishes lunch early typically students are expected to have a place to be and to not roam the halls.

Many bathroom breaks also occur when there are others in the bathroom, e.g., during class changes.

From my experience, what happened often during a bathroom break is that some people would just stand there for the entire break, and technically one is not supervised in a bathroom. You can be entirely alone.

You can also be allowed during a class or lesson to have a bathroom stop. If you ask the teacher if you can go to the bathroom (as long you don't do it all the time), you can. For example in the case a student doesn't feel well, they should still be allowed to go to the bathroom, which can always happen, even if you make use of the bathroom stops during breaks.

There is something to say that some students indeed also will be hesitant to go to the bathroom during breaks, simply because a lot of people are standing there, or because the bathrooms are poorly maintained and not attracting or inviting to go to them or stand there for a long time (while if it's not too bad, you often get a gathering in a school toilet/bathroom).
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2023, 09:59:14 AM »

The requirement to "check on" students every 10 minutes during individual lunch doesn't nearly seem to require constant supervision, nor in the bathroom, for every minute.

Have you read my recent revisions?

Yes, and i still object to 4c.
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2023, 10:03:59 AM »

The very existence of

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4b. Students may be under staff supervision while eating alone in schools, for example in a teacher's classroom while a teacher has a planning period.

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4c. Students may eat unsupervised in an empty classroom so long as they are checked on by a staff member every 10 minutes for the duration of their lunch.

obsolete, because 4b allows for all of 4c, except for the 10 min requirement in 4c and the 10 min requirement is not practical to execute for reasons i explained.
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2023, 10:13:43 AM »

I have reworded 4b and 4c.
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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2023, 10:14:46 AM »

Also, how about if we push it to a 15-minute threshold, once at the beginning of the individual lunch period and once halfway through?

I have amendment my amendment thusly.
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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2023, 10:17:41 AM »

Can you include at the end of 4c. "up to and including the age of 14."

In that case, i'll drop the objection.

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« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2023, 10:18:29 AM »

I amended to one check-in at or over age 15. Is that acceptable?
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« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2023, 10:20:05 AM »

I amended to one check-in at or over age 15. Is that acceptable?

Ok that is acceptable. I'll drop the objection.
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« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2023, 08:47:03 AM »

So I believe the amendments are now approved.
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« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2023, 09:15:27 PM »

So is everyone in agreement now?
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« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2023, 09:30:48 PM »

What does the act look like now after the amendments?
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« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2023, 09:38:12 PM »

I believe this is the current text.


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1. It shall be unlawful for any person, or the officers, employees, or agents thereof, who operates in Atlasian commerce by selling food, beverages, or other groceries at retail to customers, to sell or share customer purchase data unless such data is entirely anonymized or masked to protect the identity of the customer or if presented with a valid warrant.

2. A violation of this act shall be a misdemeanor punishable by disgorgement of any profits, imprisonment for no more than one (1) year, and a fine of $10,000.00 per individual person whose data was sold. Any data collected in violation of this paragraph shall be subject to forfeiture.

3. A customer whose location was unlawfully shared or sold pursuant to this act may maintain a civil action to recover actual damages, punitive damages of up to $10,000, reasonable legal costs, and any equitable relief necessary to enforce this act.

4. Schools should provide the possibility for students to eat outside of the school cafeteria. Schools shall not force students to eat with other students if the student has a concern about mental health, bullying, or loneliness. Forcing a student with concerns to eat lunch with other students will be seen as an act of emotional abuse. For the purposes of this provision, eating school lunch in a bathroom is not protected under this act.

4a. Violation of a student's request to eat alone will be punishable by a fine of up to 1,000 dollars.

4b. Should a student request to eat alone, a student may decide to eat lunch in a nearby classroom or other area allowed for this purpose.

4c. Students may be under staff supervision while eating alone in schools, for example in a teacher's classroom while a teacher has a planning period. Alternatively, students may eat unsupervised in an empty classroom so long as they are checked on by a staff member every 15 minutes for the duration of their lunch, e.g., once at the beginning of the individual lunch period and once halfway through. For students at or over the age of 15, this requirement will be limited to one check-in halfway through the individual lunch period.

5. This act shall take effect 30 days from the date of passage.
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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2023, 06:10:05 PM »

I move for a final vote. 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2023, 06:04:26 PM »

Motion passes. I will open the final vote tomorrow or Saturday for the next vote a rama.
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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2023, 06:23:19 AM »

A final vote is now open on this bill lasting until Wednesday Eastern at noon (102 Hours) or until everyone has voted, whichever occurs soonest. Please Vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

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ANONYMOUS EATING ACT

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1. It shall be unlawful for any person, or the officers, employees, or agents thereof, who operates in Atlasian commerce by selling food, beverages, or other groceries at retail to customers, to sell or share customer purchase data unless such data is entirely anonymized or masked to protect the identity of the customer or if presented with a valid warrant.

2. A violation of this act shall be a misdemeanor punishable by disgorgement of any profits, imprisonment for no more than one (1) year, and a fine of $10,000.00 per individual person whose data was sold. Any data collected in violation of this paragraph shall be subject to forfeiture.

3. A customer whose location was unlawfully shared or sold pursuant to this act may maintain a civil action to recover actual damages, punitive damages of up to $10,000, reasonable legal costs, and any equitable relief necessary to enforce this act.

4. Schools should provide the possibility for students to eat outside of the school cafeteria. Schools shall not force students to eat with other students if the student has a concern about mental health, bullying, or loneliness. Forcing a student with concerns to eat lunch with other students will be seen as an act of emotional abuse. For the purposes of this provision, eating school lunch in a bathroom is not protected under this act.

4a. Violation of a student's request to eat alone will be punishable by a fine of up to 1,000 dollars.

4b. Should a student request to eat alone, a student may decide to eat lunch in a nearby classroom or other area allowed for this purpose.

4c. Students may be under staff supervision while eating alone in schools, for example in a teacher's classroom while a teacher has a planning period. Alternatively, students may eat unsupervised in an empty classroom so long as they are checked on by a staff member every 15 minutes for the duration of their lunch, e.g., once at the beginning of the individual lunch period and once halfway through. For students at or over the age of 15, this requirement will be limited to one check-in halfway through the individual lunch period.

5. This act shall take effect 30 days from the date of passage.
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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2023, 06:34:35 AM »

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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2023, 07:13:10 AM »

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« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2023, 07:41:11 AM »

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« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2023, 07:53:51 AM »

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« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2023, 08:07:10 AM »

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« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2023, 01:50:01 PM »

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« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2023, 02:35:05 PM »

Abstain
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