NJ-SEN 2024: Draggin' The Line (3/24: Murphy OUT)

[brucejoel99]

I don't really have anything against Tammy Murphy herself, but using corrupt antiquated mechanisms to distort the playing field is pretty awful. If she felt she was the best candidate, she should have disavowed the machine elements and called for a fair process. Andy Kim is awesome though. I see so many places offer the worst of America, but sending Andy Kim to the Senate offers some of the very best.

I don't even know exactly what this county line thing is (apart from a strange-looking ballot), but it needs to be abolished or struck down.

There's federal litigation challenging the Line rn: Conforti v. Hanlon, filed by several losing 2020 primary candidates & the NJWFP, survived the motion to dismiss & remains pending in discovery now nearly 44 months after it was initially filed, but unfortunately isn't on-track for trial in Judge Quraishi's courtroom anytime soon, let alone by this year's Jun. 4th primary.

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[Atlas Force]

I don't really have anything against Tammy Murphy herself, but using corrupt antiquated mechanisms to distort the playing field is pretty awful. If she felt she was the best candidate, she should have disavowed the machine elements and called for a fair process. Andy Kim is awesome though. I see so many places offer the worst of America, but sending Andy Kim to the Senate offers some of the very best.

I don't even know exactly what this county line thing is (apart from a strange-looking ballot), but it needs to be abolished or struck down.

There's federal litigation challenging the Line rn: Conforti v. Hanlon, filed by several losing 2020 primary candidates & the NJWFP, survived the motion to dismiss & remains pending in discovery now nearly 44 months after it was initially filed, but unfortunately isn't on-track for trial in Judge Quraishi's courtroom anytime soon, let alone by this year's Jun. 4th primary.

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[brucejoel99]

Speaking of lawsuits!

https://twitter.com/AndyKimNJ/status/1762190602920178142

https://twitter.com/MonkeeBread/status/1762220517484793893https://twitter.com/lawliberg/status/1762216484116336954https://twitter.com/ECaliberSeven/status/1762219286511141258

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

The county line system gives NJ among the better and less polarized state legislatures in the country. It'd be a shame to see it go.

If indifference to corruption counts as better, sure.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The county line system gives NJ among the better and less polarized state legislatures in the country. It'd be a shame to see it go.

If indifference to corruption counts as better, sure.

Machine politics is in fact an effective way to shave off the worst edges of hyper-ideologicalized politics. It's generally an important element in a functional political system.

[Oryxslayer]

I mean the "original sin" as it were for the County Line system is that it's not free or fair in the largest and most democratic counties. We have seen throughout the week that if a endorsement is open to a convention, the whole thing becomes a glorified presidential caucus. Candidates are doing normal campaign stuff, just indirectly. But there's a cycle of corruption that occurs in the big counties. A handful of insiders control the line where it matters most, allowing them to pick candidates,  meaning those candidates when they win repay the local elites and entrench elite power, and on and on it goes.

[wbrocks67]

It's refreshing to see that voters seem to be pushing back on Tammy's schtick. I go back to again: Tammy and the Murphy's are not popular enough for her to just win the primary based on her name, and given that Andy Kim is an actual representative while she has no actual experience, it's not surprising to see voters seeing right through her act. She also doesn't seem trustworthy at all, given that she just seems to be on the side of whatever she thinks is popular among the base.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

The county line system gives NJ among the better and less polarized state legislatures in the country. It'd be a shame to see it go.

If indifference to corruption counts as better, sure.

Machine politics is in fact an effective way to shave off the worst edges of hyper-ideologicalized politics. It's generally an important element in a functional political system.

While that's quite an interesting way to put lipstick on a pig, political machines are simply cronyism and patronage by a different name. The county line system's continued existence is mere evidence of complacency from an unengaged and cynical electorate.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I would not share such a negative view towards political machines. If anything the delivering of things to communities is plainly more concrete of a way to proceed than an amorphous ideology-based qualification. There's nothing "cynical" about supporting someone because they've fixed a school or a road in your community. And those are tangible things. Wouldn't it be more cynical to use ideological purism as a way to climb the ladder?

[President Johnson]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

[wbrocks67]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

This is it, 100%. I think Tammy thought she would skate through based off of her name and connections and is now getting annoyed that Kim actually is very well liked, not just among progressives but normie Dem voters.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

This is it, 100%. I think Tammy thought she would skate through based off of her name and connections and is now getting annoyed that Kim actually is very well liked, not just among progressives but normie Dem voters.

The bitterness started more with Tammy, I'd agree. But now Kim is as fully in it as well. It's quite unfortunate but c'est la vie.

[wbrocks67]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

This is it, 100%. I think Tammy thought she would skate through based off of her name and connections and is now getting annoyed that Kim actually is very well liked, not just among progressives but normie Dem voters.

The bitterness started more with Tammy, I'd agree. But now Kim is as fully in it as well. It's quite unfortunate but c'est la vie.

I mean Kim's seems more just frustration with the system, which I completely get where he's coming from, especially when he's been winning voters in these conventions.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

This is it, 100%. I think Tammy thought she would skate through based off of her name and connections and is now getting annoyed that Kim actually is very well liked, not just among progressives but normie Dem voters.

The bitterness started more with Tammy, I'd agree. But now Kim is as fully in it as well. It's quite unfortunate but c'est la vie.

I mean Kim's seems more just frustration with the system, which I completely get where he's coming from, especially when he's been winning voters in these conventions.

Well, I'm not anti-system in an NJ context so I can't emphatize with him there.
In fact I endorsed him right out of the gate and I've dumped my endorsement of him because of this.

[Ferguson97]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

I think the backlash would be virtually non-existent if the establishment had coalesced around say, Mikie Sherrill, or some random state legislator. The fact that it's Murphy's wife, who has no political experience, really rubbed everyone the wrong way.

[Tekken_Guy]

Really wasn't expecting the bitterness of this primary.
Here's to hoping that there's less collateral damage and not more.
In general Tammy Murphy trying to win the primary off just the County Line alone is not the best thing to see.

I guess the bitterness comes from Murphy believing she was entitled to the be the Democratic candidate as the governor's wife with a lot of financial ressources and institutional backing. Yet Kim seems to have connected with Democratic voters and well beyond the progressive wing.

I think the backlash would be virtually non-existent if the establishment had coalesced around say, Mikie Sherrill, or some random state legislator. The fact that it's Murphy's wife, who has no political experience, really rubbed everyone the wrong way.

I think if Sherrill had ran Kim might have seen the writing on the wall and gone back to NJ-03.

[gerritcole]

Asian men are an underrepresented group in the senate and their invaluable voice needs to be heard via Kim, he needs to hit north jersey hard for desi and Asian votes

[CookieDamage]

I would not share such a negative view towards political machines. If anything the delivering of things to communities is plainly more concrete of a way to proceed than an amorphous ideology-based qualification. There's nothing "cynical" about supporting someone because they've fixed a school or a road in your community. And those are tangible things. Wouldn't it be more cynical to use ideological purism as a way to climb the ladder?

Machine politics is in fact an effective way to shave off the worst edges of hyper-ideologicalized politics. It's generally an important element in a functional political system.

Me making things up

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I would not share such a negative view towards political machines. If anything the delivering of things to communities is plainly more concrete of a way to proceed than an amorphous ideology-based qualification. There's nothing "cynical" about supporting someone because they've fixed a school or a road in your community. And those are tangible things. Wouldn't it be more cynical to use ideological purism as a way to climb the ladder?

Machine politics is in fact an effective way to shave off the worst edges of hyper-ideologicalized politics. It's generally an important element in a functional political system.

Me making things up

I'm sorry that you wasted 70 or so seconds of your life on a post that was, to put it kindly, utterly silly, and disrespects legitimate differences in political opinion.

[wbrocks67]

Honestly I'm more convinced than ever that Murphy is going to lose this. She's just not a good candidate.

What she's saying here isn't even necessarily wrong - but saying it about the *Kushners* in particular is... nonsensical

https://twitter.com/amysrosenberg/status/1762584967576486230?s=20

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/LizzieKFoley/status/1762869362170437741?t=-_fpDxFrqpoJKWrU7l...

https://twitter.com/LizzieKFoley/status/1762880690641580175?t=0ddut0cKv-9aoruClR...

Uhhh...what? Good campaigns don't let this happen.

And in this case it's not a sign of dropping out, cause Tammy was at a big fundraiser and launched a new ad campaign yesterday.

[wbrocks67]

It's wild that Tammy's campaign is such a mess given that she has access to presumably most of the Murphy/NJ machine

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

That clip of her talking about the photo with Jared and Ivanka was just priceless. The panicked, stammering, nonsense response about PPE and reaching across the aisle...just wow. It's pretty shocking how unprepared and ill-equipped she is for a race that was going to be high stakes and closely watched because the incumbent Senator is currently under indictment. This was very clearly a power move and she expected no resistance on her way to the nomination.

[pikachu]

I would not share such a negative view towards political machines. If anything the delivering of things to communities is plainly more concrete of a way to proceed than an amorphous ideology-based qualification. There's nothing "cynical" about supporting someone because they've fixed a school or a road in your community. And those are tangible things. Wouldn't it be more cynical to use ideological purism as a way to climb the ladder?

Machine politics is in fact an effective way to shave off the worst edges of hyper-ideologicalized politics. It's generally an important element in a functional political system.

Me making things up

I'm sorry that you wasted 70 or so seconds of your life on a post that was, to put it kindly, utterly silly, and disrespects legitimate differences in political opinion.

Your defense of New Jersey political culture is totally in theory and doesn’t actually deal with what the results in the state government actually look like. The legislature’s historically been on the more dysfunctional side (the state’s had two shutdowns this century + a lot of near misses), some of the highest corruption in the US, and among the worst public finances of any state. Not really sure what about it (and other states with similarly corrupt and machine-heavy  political cultures) makes it good.