Neil Gorsuch puts foot in mouth at argument, compares UNC’s affirmative action to antisemitism

[Greedo punched first]

He actually made that insensitive comment to attack a UNC policy that is perfectly reasonable. What he said makes me wanna puke!

https://twitter.com/MikeSacksEsq/status/1587100256365412352

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

[gerritcole]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

Unfortunately Asians don’t have the social or political capital like Jewish Americans to act on this

[It’s so Joever]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

[jojoju1998]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

Or perhaps; we should think  of rebooting the admissions process as a whole ?

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

It’s kinda funny to me the knee jerk reaction conservatives have compare anything vaguely racial tinged they don’t like to antisemitism 

[Torie]

"Gorsuch mentions athletes who play squash and row crew, sports that favor wealthy white students, then shifts gears by asking, “What do we do about history here?” and arguing that Harvard’s move to the holistic admissions approach used diversity as a subterfuge for racial quotas to limit Jewish enrollment."

The above is what Gorsuch actually said, and he has a point. Holistic admissions and legacy admissions and the introduction of subjective personal factors were used at one time to keep out Jews. Now they have the effect at least of keeping out Asians. And that is why Harvard is going to lose the case. If you want a diverse student body, don't use criteria that screw a minority.

[It’s so Joever]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

Or perhaps; we should think  of rebooting the admissions process as a whole ?

It’s one thing to support improving education equality. It’s a whole another to promote certain races for admissions in universities. Not only are you blocking more qualified candidates but you are placing those who may be less prepared for difficult courses than the average student causing them to fail long term as well and just screwing everyone. The argument here should be for ways to reduce education inequalities earlier on. Don’t know why the left is so insistent on affirmative action instead.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

What about saying that both of them are bad?

Anyway, it's clear admissions systems discriminate against Jews and Asians. Those concerned with the issue should focus on dealing with systemic poverty and other issues that prevent the enrollment of POCs in line with their percentage of the populace rather than striking down deserving students.

[US Politics Fanatic]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

[It’s so Joever]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Nice try.

[DrScholl]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

[US Politics Fanatic]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

Blaming a country and its people is not the same thing. Government =/= residents.

[Torie]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

[US Politics Fanatic]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

Don't allow Federal or even local funds to universities or corporations that discriminate based on race but let them do it if they choose to do so.

[DrScholl]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

Blaming a country and its people is not the same thing. Government =/= residents.

Right-wing radicals don't know the difference.

[US Politics Fanatic]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

Blaming a country and its people is not the same thing. Government =/= residents.

Right-wing radicals don't know the difference.

Some don't, I agree. But it's unfair, it's like saying all leftists support gulags, which I don't believe.

[Torie]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

Don't allow Federal or even local funds to universities or corporations that discriminate based on race but let them do it if they choose to do so.

I am explaining the law and you are arguing policy. As to policy, do you draw a distinction between those that provide public accommodations like restaurants and hotels and private colleges?  Anyway, "you" "lost" that battle long ago - permanently.

[US Politics Fanatic]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

Don't allow Federal or even local funds to universities or corporations that discriminate based on race but let them do it if they choose to do so.

I am explaining the law and you are arguing policy. As to policy, do you draw a distinction between those that provide public accommodations like restaurants and hotels and private colleges?  Anyway, "you" "lost" that battle long ago - permanently.

With all due respect, don't be so sure. Restaurants and hotels don't have more or less duties than private colleges. Same for every private institution.

[DaleCooper]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

Lol, Forumlurker161 isn't a Republican.

[Torie]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

Don't allow Federal or even local funds to universities or corporations that discriminate based on race but let them do it if they choose to do so.

I am explaining the law and you are arguing policy. As to policy, do you draw a distinction between those that provide public accommodations like restaurants and hotels and private colleges?  Anyway, "you" "lost" that battle long ago - permanently.

With all due respect, don't be so sure. Restaurants and hotels don't have more or less duties than private colleges. Same for every private institution.

That is not the law however, as opposed to your opinion on policy.

In reality the distinction has no meaning as a practical matter. A private college that discriminates on race, would get no federal funds, including indirectly via Pell grants and so forth. That is not a business model that most private colleges could accept, even if in the abstract they wish to discriminate.

[US Politics Fanatic]

Private universities should be allowed to discrimate based on race. Public universities should absolutely not and if they do, they should even be threatened to be shut down.

It's that simple. The same for restaurants and companies.

Harvard's problem is statutory rather than constitutional and due to it receiving federal funds.

Don't allow Federal or even local funds to universities or corporations that discriminate based on race but let them do it if they choose to do so.

I am explaining the law and you are arguing policy. As to policy, do you draw a distinction between those that provide public accommodations like restaurants and hotels and private colleges?  Anyway, "you" "lost" that battle long ago - permanently.

With all due respect, don't be so sure. Restaurants and hotels don't have more or less duties than private colleges. Same for every private institution.

That is not the law however, as opposed to your opinion on policy.

In reality the distinction has no meaning as a practical matter. A private college that discriminates on race, would get no federal funds, including indirectly via Pell grants and so forth. That is not a business model that most private colleges could accept, even if in the abstract they wish to discriminate.

I understand what you mean. In fact, we don't understand each other because I consider affirmative action is discrimination and you don't. But you're right that currently the law is on your side, AA is not seen as a form of discrimination.

[GP270watch]

The Supreme Court continues to do what it has done for most of its history, screw over Black people.

[jojoju1998]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

Or perhaps; we should think  of rebooting the admissions process as a whole ?

It’s one thing to support improving education equality. It’s a whole another to promote certain races for admissions in universities. Not only are you blocking more qualified candidates but you are placing those who may be less prepared for difficult courses than the average student causing them to fail long term as well and just screwing everyone. The argument here should be for ways to reduce education inequalities earlier on. Don’t know why the left is so insistent on affirmative action instead.

I was thinking about adopting an Austrian/German style education system; and rebooting everything.

Too idealistic ?

[Ferguson97]

I am sure we are going to hear in this thread compelling reasons why limiting Jewish admissions is bad but limiting Asian admissions isn't.

The left’s hate of Asians is a big reason many of us (including me) have become disillusioned with the Dems.

How does the left hate Asians? It was your side that went on violent rampages towards Asian people because Trump blamed China for COVID.

Lol, Forumlurker161 isn't a Republican.

He has a blue avatar and is rooting for the Republicans to win in November, and is voting for them.