UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[Blair]

She or her people are clearly America brained as she also mentioned about ‘the elite wanting immigrants to mow their lawns’…. in my experience most gardeners are English or employ young people to do these tasks, and people don’t really have lawns that are that big.

[afleitch]

She or her people are clearly America brained as she also mentioned about ‘the elite wanting immigrants to mow their lawns’…. in my experience most gardeners are English or employ young people to do these tasks, and people don’t really have lawns that are that big.

To be honest, a core block of voters, and perpetually online Tory hangers on are America brained. It's the source of every 'look at what's actually happening!!!' anti woke, anti trans, anti youth trope that seems to now make it to the Tory conference hall.

The metastasis had been very rapid. (remember the NatC reactions just a few short months ago)

[Torrain]

Forgiven? wtf
https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/status/1709242272955478492
Edit: apparently Boff was supposed to host the LGBT Conservatives party tonight, and currently can't - because he's had his pass confiscated.

[Pericles]

Braverman demonizing refugees is foul, but she is really going full nut-job this week. Politicians should not demonize large parts of the electorate and treat their beliefs as illegitimate.

[Silent Hunter]

In other news, my local council might go bust.

[GoTfan]

According to Sunak, walking to the shops is now woke.

[afleitch]

Britain today is what happens when one section of society, fêted and coddled in retirement, doomscrolling through each day and central to election success for over a decade and is still, relatively loyal to the government is it's sole focus.

Manufactured panics and concerns take months to go from
fringe to mainstream amongst people who have time to endlessly consume them.

[CumbrianLefty]

Britain today is what happens when one section of society, fêted and coddled in retirement, doomscrolling through each day and central to election success for over a decade and is still, relatively loyal to the government is it's sole focus.

Manufactured panics and concerns take months to go from
fringe to mainstream amongst people who have time to endlessly consume them.

But its an electoral dead end. Not just in itself, but as I asked just the other day - what happens when these people start dying off in large numbers, which is not that far off now?

Basically the Tory message to younger people is "YOU ARE WOKE SCUM AND WE HATE YOU".

[afleitch]

Britain today is what happens when one section of society, fêted and coddled in retirement, doomscrolling through each day and central to election success for over a decade and is still, relatively loyal to the government is it's sole focus.

Manufactured panics and concerns take months to go from
fringe to mainstream amongst people who have time to endlessly consume them.

But its an electoral dead end. Not just in itself, but as I asked just the other day - what happens when these people start dying off in large numbers, which is not that far off now?

Basically the Tory message to younger people is "YOU ARE WOKE SCUM AND WE HATE YOU".

Yup.

Generational cleavage was always going to do this. It's by design, not by accident (if we look at generational recovery from the 2008 crash) and has won the Tories all the big prizes, including Brexit (and the indy ref too) for a decade and a half.

They know it's an electoral dead end. I posted a while ago there's about a 2.5 to 3 point swing since 2019 just based on people joining the register and others 'leaving'.

That dead end has been reached.

The rush towards authoritarianism is designed to delegitimise younger voters and their concerns. Not just for the rest of this government, but any Labour redress in the next parliament.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Britain today is what happens when one section of society, fêted and coddled in retirement, doomscrolling through each day and central to election success for over a decade and is still, relatively loyal to the government is it's sole focus.

Manufactured panics and concerns take months to go from
fringe to mainstream amongst people who have time to endlessly consume them.

But its an electoral dead end. Not just in itself, but as I asked just the other day - what happens when these people start dying off in large numbers, which is not that far off now?

Basically the Tory message to younger people is "YOU ARE WOKE SCUM AND WE HATE YOU".

Yup.

Generational cleavage was always going to do this. It's by design, not by accident (if we look at generational recovery from the 2008 crash) and has won the Tories all the big prizes, including Brexit (and the indy ref too) for a decade and a half.

They know it's an electoral dead end. I posted a while ago there's about a 2.5 to 3 point swing since 2019 just based on people joining the register and others 'leaving'.

That dead end has been reached.

The rush towards authoritarianism is designed to delegitimise younger voters and their concerns. Not just for the rest of this government, but any Labour redress in the next parliament.

So this is a way to shore up these people for the Conservatives over the following decade as the Tories will have to pivot somehow to try to contend for power again?

[Torrain]

So - two details about the HS2 cancellation stick out:

• The Euston line on HS2 to will be a "shuttle" rather than a full service, preventing future Euston expansion necessary for high speed lines to Manchester. To clarify, Euston was going to have 11 HS2 platforms - now it will only have 6 - halting further expansion.
• Development on the Birmingham to Crewe line has already been halted, with land purchased for HS2 to be sold off ASAP, potentially at a significant loss - per the BBC's Faisal Islam.

They're not just cancelling the project, they're actively trying to prevent a future government reversing the decision, and hampering British rail infrastructure for a generation. Genuinely maddening.

[Hnv1]

That’s a multi billion £ policy that wasn’t on the party manifesto, doesn’t constitutional convention demand it be brought to the public in a general elections?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

(Credit - Simpsons Monorail ep)

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Braverman demonizing refugees is foul, but she is really going full nut-job this week. Politicians should not demonize large parts of the electorate and treat their beliefs as illegitimate.

Right. Everyone knows left-wing parties don't do that.

[Conservatopia]

So - two details about the HS2 cancellation stick out:

• The Euston line on HS2 to will be a "shuttle" rather than a full service, preventing future Euston expansion necessary for high speed lines to Manchester.
• Development on the Birmingham to Crewe line has already been halted, with land purchased for HS2 to be sold off ASAP, potentially at a significant loss - per the BBC's Faisal Islam.

They're not just cancelling the project, they're actively trying to prevent a future government reversing the decision, and hampering British rail infrastructure for a generation. Genuinely maddening.

Yes.
It makes no sense. If HS2 is such a problem then just do nothing and let Labour take the blame for scrapping it next year. If it isn't a problem then do nothing and keep building it. It makes no economical or electoral sense to scrap it. What a dope.

[YL]

In other news, my local council might go bust.

Not just yours.  There are also reports today about Hampshire County Council, and I think the feeling is that while the ones who got into trouble first made some definite mistakes, the current situation with council funding and their responsibilities is unsustainable almost everywhere.

[Silent Hunter]

That’s a multi billion £ policy that wasn’t on the party manifesto, doesn’t constitutional convention demand it be brought to the public in a general elections?

No, the convention is the House of Lords doesn't block a manifesto commitment.

[MaxQue]

So - two details about the HS2 cancellation stick out:

• The Euston line on HS2 to will be a "shuttle" rather than a full service, preventing future Euston expansion necessary for high speed lines to Manchester.
• Development on the Birmingham to Crewe line has already been halted, with land purchased for HS2 to be sold off ASAP, potentially at a significant loss - per the BBC's Faisal Islam.

They're not just cancelling the project, they're actively trying to prevent a future government reversing the decision, and hampering British rail infrastructure for a generation. Genuinely maddening.

Yes.
It makes no sense. If HS2 is such a problem then just do nothing and let Labour take the blame for scrapping it next year. If it isn't a problem then do nothing and keep building it. It makes no economical or electoral sense to scrap it. What a dope.

It makes sense. Just looks who will buy the land for very cheap...

[Hnv1]

That’s a multi billion £ policy that wasn’t on the party manifesto, doesn’t constitutional convention demand it be brought to the public in a general elections?

No, the convention is the House of Lords doesn't block a manifesto commitment.

But it’s not a manifesto commitment. Boris didn’t run on cancelling HS2

[EastAnglianLefty]

Yes, but there's no convention that new plans that weren't in the manifesto require a new election.

[Battista Minola 1616]

So - two details about the HS2 cancellation stick out:

• The Euston line on HS2 to will be a "shuttle" rather than a full service, preventing future Euston expansion necessary for high speed lines to Manchester. To clarify, Euston was going to have 11 HS2 platforms - now it will only have 6 - halting further expansion.
• Development on the Birmingham to Crewe line has already been halted, with land purchased for HS2 to be sold off ASAP, potentially at a significant loss - per the BBC's Faisal Islam.

They're not just cancelling the project, they're actively trying to prevent a future government reversing the decision, and hampering British rail infrastructure for a generation. Genuinely maddening.

The HS2 episode is stupefying (but not surprising). It's like if someone at some Conservative meeting complained that the party is not doing enough to live up to its reputation as rent-seeking villains who oppose investment and development for anyone who is not a property owner living between London and Oxford even at the cost of burning physical and political capital, so they had to announce this. All that it's missing is a Suella Braverman rant about how trains are "woke" - assuming that has not already happened.

[Zinneke]

Yep, Britain needs a softer form of Maoist-Georgism really. I would have as the first law drafted that every single person wishing to submit a legal challenge to infrastructure building for their NIMBY desires first have to undergo a frenectomy without anaesthetic.

[Torrain]

https://twitter.com/danhollandnews/status/1709908649177461048
Network North is already being rolled back.

[CumbrianLefty]

And that's apart from all the stuff "pledged" by Sunak yesterday that has already been announced by ministers (in some cases several times over) and in a few instances HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

[JimJamUK]

Labour currently leads among Telegraph readers*

https://twitter.com/damiansurvation/status/1709843317519737113?s=61&t=I1DE8_...

*The distribution of support by paper looks a bit too flat, although there has always been a noticeable minority of people who read papers with diametrically opposed partisanship.