UK General Discussion: Rishecession

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I assume the moderators are grateful that a certain other subject isn't being discussed. Pretty sure the name will be known officially soon anyway.

It won't be named until he's charged, which might take a while given the complexity of the case. But basically what a useless law the gagging act is if the person is suspended and doesn't appear on TV. With Gylfi Sigurdsson (we can say his name now because he was cleared of charges) it basically was a known fact because he was no longer in the Everton team while the only other "27 year old international" was playing...similar case of showing the gag law is dumb.

Scandal and intrigue though, my god. All this might be Murdoch keeping a former suck up out of the news with his private life too.

Heck, there's still the MP who nobody can say the of name of who was arrested last May for suspected rape. Genuinely wonder what's going on there - his party has selected him for re-election and he continues to do events in his constituency, but he has had to post bail four times.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

Enviormentalism is pretty popular, this seems like a really dumb thing to say and very uncharacteristic of Starmer

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The odds of him having said it are... er... low. There's an ongoing briefing war against Ed Miliband by people associated with the GMB (which is amusing as that union was supportive when he was leader, but there's nothing like friends falling out is there?) because of Miliband's proposals over the North Sea extractive industries.

[oldtimer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

Enviormentalism is pretty popular, this seems like a really dumb thing to say and very uncharacteristic of Starmer

I have the suspicion, that like most things ideological, Environmentalism is popular in theory but unpopular in practice, especially when overdone.

[Blair]

As others said it would be a weird phrase for someone who is a vegetarian and who built their legal career on defending the Mclibel two… it was briefed to the Sunday Times which has been the anti Ed vehicle.

The odds of him having said it are... er... low. There's an ongoing briefing war against Ed Miliband by people associated with the GMB (which is amusing as that union was supportive when he was leader, but there's nothing like friends falling out is there?) because of Miliband's proposals over the North Sea extractive industries.

The fun part is trying to work out when anti Ed briefing is people who backed Ed Balls who are angry he beat Ed (my favourite was the ‘Daddy Gordon actually hates you’ briefing a while back) the Blairites who hate him for beating David or the GMB who are doing this for errrr more logical reasons- and the final group is people who didn’t hate him before but worry he has the leaders ear.

Thigmo at its best….

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

Enviormentalism is pretty popular, this seems like a really dumb thing to say and very uncharacteristic of Starmer

I have the suspicion, that like most things ideological, Environmentalism is popular in theory but unpopular in practice, especially when overdone.

Those last three words are all-important there, surely. If it was unpopular on a more "meta" level then you might rather expect masses of ordinary people wouldn't have changed their lifestyles in the last half century or so to the extent that they actually have?

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That said, we aren't Canada or Australia either: the extractive industries are going to be a different factor for centre left parties in those countries in a way they are not for Britain (well, England and Wales anyway).

[AustralianSwingVoter]

That said, we aren't Canada or Australia either: the extractive industries are going to be a different factor for centre left parties in those countries in a way they are not for Britain (well, England and Wales anyway).

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Well, um, there's been a twist in the uk presenter case. The young person involved has hired a lawyer to say the Sun's story is based on nothing, and the Sun published away. If this is true, the Sun has just made an existential blunder.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

*Succession music plays*

[Silent Hunter]

The parents are standing by their story, but this is looking like a pretty big mistake of the sort that gets an editor sacked at best.

[Meclazine for Israel]

England to introduce refunds for bank scam victims.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-11/uk-laws-force-to-banks-reimburse-scam-victims-unless-negligent/102563000

Australia has a massive problem with elderly and disabled people living alone falling victim to Indian and SE Asian scammers. The numbers are in the billions per annum that are lost.

Hopefullyz English banks will develop a proper system for transferring large amounts of money without scammers ripping people off.

Under the proposal, both the sending and receiving banks will share the cost of refunding the scam victims.

When it comes out of the banks profits, I guarantee they will put a stop to this horrendous life destroying crime.

Bravo England (except Alistair Cook).

[Silent Hunter]

This is looking like another Philip Schofield situation in any event - his career is probably over.

[oldtimer]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

Enviormentalism is pretty popular, this seems like a really dumb thing to say and very uncharacteristic of Starmer

I have the suspicion, that like most things ideological, Environmentalism is popular in theory but unpopular in practice, especially when overdone.

Those last three words are all-important there, surely. If it was unpopular on a more "meta" level then you might rather expect masses of ordinary people wouldn't have changed their lifestyles in the last half century or so to the extent that they actually have?

From experience a theoretical moral or ideological issue can get verbally high support, when you put it to the test you get the 52-48 splits, and when you harshy impose it drops to low support.

A good present example is the trouble Labour has with ULEZ in Uxbridge.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Issue polling in general is highly unreliable because a) voters are hazy on policy matters so when you ask them about policy X a large chunk will say "sure whatever, that sounds nice" (i.e. acquiescence bias), and b) most issue polling is done by advocacy groups trying to get media attention and convince politicians to support their pet issue, so have little incentive to test rigorously.

I think Labour's core mistake in 2019 was failing to understand this: let's chuck free broadband into the manifesto because it does well in abstract issue polling, not thinking how badly it could come across under scrutiny in the heat of an election campaign.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-green-climate-change-starmer-miliband-b2372012.html

Enviormentalism is pretty popular, this seems like a really dumb thing to say and very uncharacteristic of Starmer

I have the suspicion, that like most things ideological, Environmentalism is popular in theory but unpopular in practice, especially when overdone.

Those last three words are all-important there, surely. If it was unpopular on a more "meta" level then you might rather expect masses of ordinary people wouldn't have changed their lifestyles in the last half century or so to the extent that they actually have?

From experience a theoretical moral or ideological issue can get verbally high support, when you put it to the test you get the 52-48 splits, and when you harshy impose it drops to low support.

A good present example is the trouble Labour has with ULEZ in Uxbridge.

The latter is not incompatible with it having wide support, even enthusiasm, in much of Inner London.

[Zinneke]

This is looking like another Philip Schofield situation in any event - his career is probably over.

Schofield was in a position of power Vs his lover so it made it totally inappropriate in a professional context.

We do not have the full facts of this case yet, but it seems like the guy in this case could very well be innocent other than being closeted (edit : as in, people are shaming him for soliciting nudes of young legal men, but a TV presenter who did so with women would not break the front page).

And it speaks volumes that Tories think they have the high ground on this issue. They are a party full of sex pests.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There is a certain 'what decade is this?' aspect to some of the reaction to the story as it has developed.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

In other news I see Boris has named his new child Frank Alfred Odysseus. Of all the Greek classics to choose?

[TheTide]

Huw Edwards has been named by his wife, saying that he has been suffering from mental health issues. Both the Met and the BBC have ended their investigations.

[Logical]

Some people are going to be in very big trouble.

[afleitch]

Some people are going to be in very big trouble.

Oh a certain British institution has sealed it's fate. And it's not the Beeb.

[TheTide]

Some people are going to be in very big trouble.

Oh a certain British institution has sealed it's fate. And it's not the Beeb.

The BBC itself doesn't come out of this well for following the lead of the said rag in its reporting of this.

The mother of the initial person and Jeremy Vine haven't come across completely well either.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Some people are going to be in very big trouble.

Oh a certain British institution has sealed it's fate. And it's not the Beeb.

The Sun?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

From his wife's statement:

"The events of the last few days have greatly worsened matters, he has suffered another serious episode and is now receiving in-patient hospital care where he'll stay for the foreseeable future."

I would assume that everyone here can read between the lines, but if not: he has been sectioned and may well have attempted suicide or displayed suicidal tendencies. This is extremely serious.