UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[Torrain]

Johnson leading seems like a case of voters saying, "You're going to lose the next election anyway; please just put someone in who can do the job."

Nah, there are others capturing that lane. Johnson's support is "I don't look bad by comparison now, see?"

That said, in Johnson's ideal world he would come back a bit later than 1 month after his departure - memories still haven't fully vanished.

I think you’re on the money there. The loudest of the pro-Johnson voices in the media (see, for instance, Christopher Hope, of the Telegraph) envision Truss lasting until March, then being replaced by Johnson. Even his most boisterous fans just can’t see him back in office this year.

The only people who really think you can go right back to Boris Johnson within one month of him leaving seem to be  a fraction of the party membership, and Nadine Dorries.

[Pericles]

Johnson leading seems like a case of voters saying, "You're going to lose the next election anyway; please just put someone in who can do the job."

Nah, there are others capturing that lane. Johnson's support is "I don't look bad by comparison now, see?"

That said, in Johnson's ideal world he would come back a bit later than 1 month after his departure - memories still haven't fully vanished.

I think you’re on the money there. The loudest of the pro-Johnson voices in the media (see, for instance, Christopher Hope, of the Telegraph) envision Truss lasting until March, then being replaced by Johnson. The only people who really think you can go right back to Boris Johnson within one month of him leaving are a fraction of the party membership, and Nadine Dorries.

If that's the case, then Johnson should try delay the leadership contest and let Truss linger on. Personally, I don't think this lot of MPs would ever bring him back. He could come back as LOTO, but-while politics is volatile-going against a first term Labour government is a losing bet. He's not that old so it could happen even later, but I think he'd prefer getting rich off giving speeches and writing newspaper articles.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

He has rather substantial debts of one sort or another and sorting that... problem... out is presumably now a priority.

[Zinneke]

He has rather substantial debts of one sort or another and sorting that... problem... out is presumably now a priority.

And what do you think he does after his vasectomy?

[Хahar 🤔]

My assumption is that he'll retire from the Commons to "chase the bag" and do the Canadian thing of waiting for the opportune moment to return. If that moment never comes, well, it's a lot less embarrassing (and more lucrative) to stay out of Parliament.

[Torrain]

Opposition Day in the Commons tomorrow - so Labour have some control over the order paper.

Ed Miliband is fronting a motion to ban fracking in the UK. Opposition motions aren't binding, so this wouldn't automatically kill government policy, but if enough Tories defy the whip (which will either be to abstain or reject the motion), it will reinforce the repeated threats of Tory backbenchers that they'll vote with Labour to prevent new fracking projects.

Nothing earth shattering (*witty fracking earthquake joke*), just the opportunity for a little chaos with Ed.

[brucejoel99]

Opposition Day in the Commons tomorrow - so Labour have some control over the order paper.

Ed Miliband is fronting a motion to ban fracking in the UK. Opposition motions aren't binding, so this wouldn't automatically kill government policy, but if enough Tories defy the whip (which will either be to abstain or reject the motion), it will reinforce the repeated threats of Tory backbenchers that they'll vote with Labour to prevent new fracking projects.

Nothing earth shattering (*witty fracking earthquake joke*), just the opportunity for a little chaos with Ed.

[Mike88]

Oh dear, oh dear. So, now it's pensions. Seriously, doesn't she have advisers or spin doctors in her office? Liz, take a cue from Portugal's Costa: Sell pensions cuts by spinning them as "pension rises", it's not that difficult.

[Torrain]

Oh dear, oh dear. So, now it's pensions. Seriously, doesn't she have advisers or spin doctors in her office? Liz, take a cue from Portugal's Costa: Sell pensions cuts by spinning them as "pension rises", it's not that difficult.

It's quite something, isn't it? The Triple-Lock u-turn has even managed to rile up the Express (think the Daily Mail but with less subtly, a total devotion to whoever's currently running the Conservative Party, and read entirely by angry pensioners), which breaks it's month-long trend of propping up Truss as a defiant, noble libertarian leader, to express shock and horror that it's audience will be among those affected by the Hunt cuts.

It's like Fox News turning around and accussing Trump of being callous and heartless.

[Torrain]

Some Scotland-specific polling tonight:

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1582514224995045377

If this is close to accurate, Labour is on track for their best result here since 2010, with at least 16 seats, based on universal swing, and not taking tactical voting (which will likely inflate that total) into account:

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

Oh dear, oh dear. So, now it's pensions. Seriously, doesn't she have advisers or spin doctors in her office? Liz, take a cue from Portugal's Costa: Sell pensions cuts by spinning them as "pension rises", it's not that difficult.

It's quite something, isn't it? The Triple-Lock u-turn has even managed to rile up the Express (think the Daily Mail but with less subtly, a total devotion to whoever's currently running the Conservative Party, and read entirely by angry pensioners), which breaks it's month-long trend of propping up Truss as a defiant, noble libertarian leader, to express shock and horror that it's audience will be among those affected by the Hunt cuts.

It's like Fox News turning around and accussing Trump of being callous and heartless.

Famously shooting his own voter base in the head went great for Nick Clegg. I'm sure they'll be as unrepentant about it as well even after if they do go below 100 seats.

Some Scotland-specific polling tonight:

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1582514224995045377

If this is close to accurate, Labour is on track for their best result here since 2010, with at least 16 Scottish, based on universal swing, and not taking tactical voting (which will likely inflate that total) into account:
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[brucejoel99]

Some Scotland-specific polling tonight:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1582514224995045377
If this is close to accurate, Labour is on track for their best result here since 2010, with at least 16 seats, based on universal swing, and not taking tactical voting (which will likely inflate that total) into account:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfY5GVoXEAImr87?format=jpg&name=4096x4096[

[Pericles]

A Labour wave in Scotland would be beautiful, especially when the SNP idiotically set their sights on getting 50% so they could somehow unilaterally secede from the UK. The SNP has utterly failed to earn that level of support, and their independence plots somehow manage to be even stupider than Brexit and the nonsense the UK government thinks up.

[Biden 2024]

Only the Member for Maidenhead can save the party now.

[Joe Republic]

Only the Member for Maidenhead can save the party now.

Who knew this gif would ever make a return in 2022?

[Boobs]

Only the Member for Maidenhead can save the party now.

The party’s maidenhead has been ruptured long ago; it is a fallen woman now, dying on the roadside.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Oh dear, oh dear. So, now it's pensions. Seriously, doesn't she have advisers or spin doctors in her office? Liz, take a cue from Portugal's Costa: Sell pensions cuts by spinning them as "pension rises", it's not that difficult.

Would Britain survive another month of Trussonomics?

[brucejoel99]

Only the Member for Maidenhead can save the party now.

Bringing up her constituency has reminded me that May's so personally popular there that she's the likely Elsie Wayne to Rishi Sunak's Jean Charest.

[bagelman]

Oh dear, oh dear. So, now it's pensions. Seriously, doesn't she have advisers or spin doctors in her office? Liz, take a cue from Portugal's Costa: Sell pensions cuts by spinning them as "pension rises", it's not that difficult.

Would Britain survive another month of Trussonomics?

Yes, the island itself doesn't care about the political situation of the humans who live on it.

[Hnv1]

Surely by now Charles would reach out and suggest she resigns?

[brucejoel99]

Surely by now Charles would reach out and suggest she resigns?

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

Only the Member for Maidenhead can save the party now.

Who knew this gif would ever make a return in 2022?

Britain faces a simple and inescapable choice - Strong and Stable leadership with me, or chaos with Liz Truss.

[Property Representative of the Harold Holt Swimming Centre]

PMQs and a 1922 Committee meeting today.

[Zinneke]

If she flounders at PMQs she is done.

[Property Representative of the Harold Holt Swimming Centre]

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1582662302553501696?s=20&t=ci1ewASa8g8e...

Brady is keen for the 1922 Committee not to be seen as a firing squad, hence why he effectively left it to the cabinet to do the dirty work with Johnson in July.