Euthanasia Is Now A Leading Cause Of Death In Canada

[It’s so Joever]

Awful policy, and Canada is a HP country for this.

[Antonio the Sixth]

A Canadian veteran sought treatment for PTSD. His VA counselor allegedly suggested euthanasia instead

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/canadian-military-veteran-suicide-counseling-ptsd/

This is just plain evil.

[Reaganfan Democrat]

Trudeau is importing his own voters so the real patriots (who probably didn't vote for him) can kill themselves.

[DabbingSanta]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

[OSR stands with Israel]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Sorry to hear about your mom Dabbing and I hope she can get the treatment she needs.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Sorry to hear about your mom Dabbing and I hope she can get the treatment she needs.

[DabbingSanta]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Sorry to hear about your mom Dabbing and I hope she can get the treatment she needs.

Thank you so much.  It's been a rough year.  Hope everyone here is doing well

[Pulaski]

The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.

That's just hokum.

I won't defend Canada - its new policy of potentially offering MAID to mentally ill patients leaves me dumbstruck - but to ignore the depths of despair to which more right-wing governments in the US and the UK have plunged their health systems is reprehensible.

In the UK in particular, elderly patients have died waiting for ambulances, children have been forced to sleep on hospital floors, and people have resorted to DIY dentistry due to shortages of dentists.

Before anyone jumps in with "well that's what you get from a universal healthcare system" (ignoring that much of this horror is borne out of a Tory government crippling the NHS and that the Labour government before it delivered the best patient satisfaction rates in Europe), they'd do well to remember that the outcomes of a more right-wing US-style system are much, much worse - fees charged to hold babies after C-sections, $40K hip replacements, hundreds of thousands going bankrupt from medical bills or prescription drug costs every year - the list goes on and on and on and on. The highest chronic disease burden in the OECD, the highest rates of suicide, the highest rate of avoidable deaths.

Maybe Liberal governments like Trudeau's don't care about society's most vulnerable - but conservative governments don't just have apathy. They have active contempt.

[MaxQue]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

[DabbingSanta]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system. We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

This comment ignores the role our federal government plays in setting national standards through legislation like the Canada Health Act.  We cannot truly fix the system until provinces are given more leeway in solving issues we are seeing in every jurisdiction (long wait times, understaffing, poor funding, lack of patient care, etc). It's broken from coast to coast, whether your premier is conservative, liberal, or socialist, and that's because the entire medicare system is not sustainable.

[CumbrianLefty]

We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  

No we don't, and no we don't.

Pure GOP brain.

[Helsinkian]

I accept euthanasia under certain circumstances, but it looks like Canada just decided to deal with their healthcare and social problems by killing off the poor, sick and mentally ill to save money.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

The thread title is an outright lie, it should be changed.

[Aurelius]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

No.

Until Canada begins acting like a serious country, it deserves nothing but scorn on these matters.

[MaxQue]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

No.

Until Canada begins acting like a serious country, it deserves nothing but scorn on these matters.

USA is the country that is not serious here, the one where people die because they cannot afford insurance, where delusion an total absence of intellect is praised.

[DabbingSanta]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

No.

Until Canada begins acting like a serious country, it deserves nothing but scorn on these matters.

USA is the country that is not serious here, the one where people die because they cannot afford insurance, where delusion an total absence of intellect is praised.

People die waiting for health care here.  Average ER wait time in my city is 21 hours.  Surgery waitlists are as long as 18 months.  While we all pretend to be morally superior, are we really any different?

I would much rather pay, either through insurance or out of pocket.  Debt doesn’t kill you, but time does.

[MaxQue]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

No.

Until Canada begins acting like a serious country, it deserves nothing but scorn on these matters.

USA is the country that is not serious here, the one where people die because they cannot afford insurance, where delusion an total absence of intellect is praised.

People die waiting for health care here.  Average ER wait time in my city is 21 hours.  Surgery waitlists are as long as 18 months.  While we all pretend to be morally superior, are we really any different?

I would much rather pay, either through insurance or out of pocket.  Debt doesn’t kill you, but time does.

A payment system would make things even worse for most people, as it would take ressources away from the health system. What is needed is end corporatism. Give licences to foreign educated doctors. Force universities to offer more spots in medecine.

[Badger]

I've known multiple people who have taken their lives legally this year.  It is devastating to see this is how Trudeau's Liberals are fixing Canada's broken health care system.  We need more privatization, and fast, to save this country from total collapse. We also need a stronger emphasis on morality, and the return of God to our school systems.  The left does not care about society's most vulnerable entities, whether that is the elderly, young children, or the unborn.  This is a prime example.


What really scares me about all this is that my mother has cancer, and she's had to wait months for treatment. If she wanted to, she could go to the States and get treatment the next day.  Sadly, she is of the generation that still has some faith in our government and its institutions, despite recognizing the failures of the Trudeau regime.  I hope this is not what ends up taking her life if treatment fails.  I cannot cope with any more loss.  Why is something like this even an option?  Will we see a point in the near future where people are simply killed off because they are a drain on state resources?  

Healthcare is a provincial power. Blame your Premier.

No.

Until Canada begins acting like a serious country, it deserves nothing but scorn on these matters.

USA is the country that is not serious here, the one where people die because they cannot afford insurance, where delusion an total absence of intellect is praised.

People die waiting for health care here.  Average ER wait time in my city is 21 hours.  Surgery waitlists are as long as 18 months.  While we all pretend to be morally superior, are we really any different?

I would much rather pay, either through insurance or out of pocket.  Debt doesn’t kill you, but time does.

You are american. That speaks very poorly of our Healthcare System

[Flyersfan232]

Good, hopefully one day it's one of the only causes of death.

Read the article

[Flyersfan232]

I've always wondered why we as a society believe that putting down an injured animal is considered humane, but letting a person make that decision for themselves is somehow abhorrent. 

Intelligence

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Canadian paralympian testified that a VA caseworker offered to euthanise her when she asked for a stairlift

Let's speedrun how long it takes for Canadians to project on the sh**tty US healthcare system as a reason to kill people.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The AP has also done an article on the 'troubling' implications.

[KaiserDave]

Canadian paralympian testified that a VA caseworker offered to euthanise her when she asked for a stairlift

Let's speedrun how long it takes for Canadians to project on the sh**tty US healthcare system as a reason to kill people.

I think the Canadian euthanasia policy is catastrophically awful but you have an unhealthy obsession with hating Canada, and yes the US Health Insurance system is very very bad compared to the Canadian one.

[Benjamin Frank]

I wasn't going to post this, because I'm not a big fan of Canadian broadcaster Roy Green since he's often a right wing grandstander.  However, since this thread is back again, I think it's important to place this in context, not just in relation to Canada/U.S on euthanasia vs suicide, but also a significant reason why euthanasia is such a leading cause of death.

https://twitter.com/TheRoyGreenShow/status/1599431138371477504
1.If you listen to the program, start of the third hour, this couple lived in Georgia, U.S.A. I'm not quite sure how they committed suicide, at first Roy Green said the husband electrocuted himself, but then he says they both shot themselves, I don't believe Georgia has legal euthanasia. I don't dispute that the per capita suicide death is lower in the United States than per capita death by euthanasia in Canada, but then it's long been believed that suicide rates are actually much higher, and that, at least, many deaths counted as 'accidents' are actually suicides.

So, don't kid yourself that many of the people who are getting euthanasia in Canada would not be committing suicide if they lived in the United States.

2.This is happening in these numbers in Canada because around the same time the euthanasia law was enacted, the ability of people in pain to acquire strong opioids was greatly restricted. Yes, there are other pain management methods, but they are not as simple as opioids. You can grandstand all you want about how these other pain management methods need to be more widely available, but they take time and resources, which means people and money. Defacto these other pain management methods are not a practical option.

Roy Green started the show saying his wife had cancer and was in great pain and said that the pain medication his wife was receiving would be enough to relieve the pain of an 8 pound puppy. In a discussion with his wife's medical doctor, the doctor said, as they are all required to say "we're concerned she'll get addicted to opioids."  Roy Green responded, and he acknowledged he was not trying to be kind "you just told me two days ago she's going to die in a few months. Do you need a remedial course in logic?"

He said after that, he got into a debate on the air with the then (Liberal) Minister of Health and physician Jane Philpott and asked her 'what sort of addiction to opioids are you concerned that patients in pain will get?"  After she didn't give a direct answer, he replied "any addiction to opioids is based on an addiction to stopping pain (or minimizing it.)"

Canada is largely if not entirely under the same regime as the U.S when it comes to opioids. The likely #1 cause of euthanasia in Canada is brain-dead U.S 'zero tolerance' policies.

I'm not trying to blame the U.S here. As far as I know, Canada could increase its own production of opioids. But, there is a lot of grandstanding going on from politicians and health administrators. At the end of the day, this is a tough choice between two options that many people don't like and that both have potential negative externalities (like the veterans being improperly if not illegaly told about MAID):

If you want less euthanasia in Canada, bring back access to opioid pain killers.
If you want less opioid pain killers and the possibility of people getting addicted to them, then accept more euthanasia.

Ultimately that is the reality, but most politicians and those holier than thou don't want to admit it (at least not publicly.) Perfection rarely if ever exists in reality.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Canadian paralympian testified that a VA caseworker offered to euthanise her when she asked for a stairlift

Let's speedrun how long it takes for Canadians to project on the sh**tty US healthcare system as a reason to kill people.

I think the Canadian euthanasia policy is catastrophically awful but you have an unhealthy obsession with hating Canada, and yes the US Health Insurance system is very very bad compared to the Canadian one.

Every time I reflect on that I reconsider but then people like Benjamin Frank post excellent takes about why a good way to further improve their system would be to make more opoids.